[skumare]

Originally Posted by Zappo

Hindware is one of the older names in the bathroom accessories and fittings space. ...we picked some of the topline Hindware Italian Collection range of WC and wash basins.

Just curious, is this issue due to the Italian collection being a premium/imported range or does Hindware apply the same policy towards their regular range items also?

[ninjatalli]

Originally Posted by car-o-holic

Thank you for this!

We will reconsider our colour preference basis this; Jaquar is a recommendation we have received from some others as well, so thank you for this - will probably go with it.

Easily Jaquar over Cera. We got a mix of bathroom fittings from both companies; the Jaguar ones are faring better than Cera. Haven’t attempted their after services yet but our society plumber says Jaquar service is good.

[Zappo]

Originally Posted by skumare

Just curious, is this issue due to the Italian collection being a premium/imported range or does Hindware apply the same policy towards their regular range items also?

I doubt that. These are companies that are looking to make additional money through fresh leads. They are in a business where many of their products have no repeat business opportunities except if they somehow break. I'm talking about the traditional sanitaryware. Hindware might have now expanded into other areas as well. So for sanitaryware kind of things a support is just a ruse for converting a half lead into a sales opportunity. That's what they tried to do when instead of selling me a simple spare part they insisted on selling a full seat that costed in 1000s of rupees!

There was a nice sidestory and ending to that experience though. I found out a small local fabricator and gave him a design for a new clamp and the removed seat. He created a new set of clamps for me and attached the seat to one end of the clamps. I fixed the whole assembly back to the commode later at home. I think the whole thing costed me only 40 bucks or so!

[sirius]

Need some advice on Johnson commode flushs. Earlier we used to get hard water and our 3 commode flushes used to be blocked very soon even after frequent replacements of internal parts.

In the last 3-4 years we have been getting good quality water but still flushes repeatedly failing for various reasons like springs fail, water leaks etc. From 4 years we have been getting it serviced from Johnson (the actual service person allocated is incidentally the same person for all these years) but hardly they work for 3-4 weeks and fail. only 1 of them some how working since last year's repair and today it started showing issue (water flow not stopping after flush).

The service guy says johnson brand and my commodes are relatively premium ones and suggests cleaning the flush tank with a harpic or equivalent and manually inspecting internal parts every month, so that flush can work without issues. Is this kind of maintenance needed for a simple thing like flush? In my parents home, a simple plastic flush tank by hindware works fine. In a year or two my father changes those parts himself.

I can no longer trust the service guy's words. We are so fed up that my family pushing me to completely replace commodes (because our flush tank and commode is a single piece.) with a different brand.
Has anyone faced a similar issue with Johnson flush tanks? Found any working solution? or replacing it with a different brand is the only solution?

[hrman]

Originally Posted by sirius

Need some advice on Johnson commode flushs. Earlier we used to get hard water and our 3 commode flushes used to be blocked very soon even after frequent replacements of internal parts.

Found any working solution? or replacing it with a different brand is the only solution?

I have not used Johnson flushes, but can vouch for Hindware flush tank systems. We have hard water(400 TDS) and even after 8 years, no issue faced. These were installed by the builder and are holding strong.

Here is my model for reference which you can consider, since it appears your flushes have reached end of life and not repairable anymore.

https://www.industrybuying.com/flush....FLU.926429741

[vaibhav_a_a]

Has anyone got experience with American Standard sanitaryware in India. They are well known in the US, but they seem to have launched recently in India and prices seem competitive though the range is very wide - looking at commodes they seem to start from a few thousand but go all the way to 50k! Any opinions on what they are selling in India would be gratefully received. How would you rate them against Kohler and Toto?

[Shorya1412]

Originally Posted by vaibhav_a_a

Has anyone got experience with American Standard sanitaryware in India. They are well known in the US, but they seem to have launched recently in India and prices seem competitive though the range is very wide - looking at commodes they seem to start from a few thousand but go all the way to 50k! Any opinions on what they are selling in India would be gratefully received. How would you rate them against Kohler and Toto?

Hi Vaibhav

I have had experience with American Standard. Just recently replace their sanitaryware with Kohler after 3 years of use in 2 of our bathrooms due to renovations.
It’s a good brand overall with the strong backing of parent, Grohe, but I felt the designs are much better in Kohler when going in the 15-20k range. Toto is in a different segment altogether. But availability is an issue even in Delhi for Toto.
I would suggest looking at Kohler since it’s more contemporary and availability is much better.

[vaibhav_a_a]

Does Kohler work well with Hard water? After reading several posts on this thread, am wondering if it is worth paying a premium for something that may break in 3 years or so. I'd like for the fittings and fixtures to have a longer life (10 is ideal, but at least 5-7 years). Wondering if Hindware looks ok.

Also, how do I estimate the cost of re-doing the entire bathroom? I'd have to get the below done -

1. Remove and replace all tiles - floor and wall (till 8 foot height)
2. Replace buried piping - basically the incoming line gets split into a bath side for the shower head and another runs to the commode and further splits to the washbasin. So that's all the pipe required.
3. The P-trap and 3 drains along with their covers (1 hidden for the washbasin, 2 open - one in bath area, one otherwise)
4. Washbasin, commode for the sanitaryware and a health faucet
5. Showerhead, mixer, washbasin mixer

I've had a bath done earlier in another city but the costs were much lower than here in the Delhi NCR region so it made sense to go with the plumber's recommendation. I take it that I cannot estimate labor costs accurately but at least the fittings / fixtures are there any rules of thumb?

[Shorya1412]

Originally Posted by vaibhav_a_a

Does Kohler work well with Hard water? After reading several posts on this thread, am wondering if it is worth paying a premium for something that may break in 3 years or so. I'd like for the fittings and fixtures to have a longer life (10 is ideal, but at least 5-7 years). Wondering if Hindware looks ok.

Also, how do I estimate the cost of re-doing the entire bathroom? I'd have to get the below done -

1. Remove and replace all tiles - floor and wall (till 8 foot height) - INR 170-190 per sq.ft. considering 4x2ft tiles installed with MYK or Roff adhesive
2. Replace buried piping - basically the incoming line gets split into a bath side for the shower head and another runs to the commode and further splits to the washbasin. So that's all the pipe required. - INR 7-8k for material and another 8-9k for cistern
3. The P-trap and 3 drains along with their covers (1 hidden for the washbasin, 2 open - one in bath area, one otherwise) - INR 4-5k for all drains
4. Washbasin, commode for the sanitaryware and a health faucet - Can vary from INR 20k for Jaquar to about 30-45k for Kohler/Grohe
5. Showerhead, mixer, washbasin mixer - Again, a wide range of price points starting from INR 20k for Jaquar to INR 40k for Kohler to INR 1-1.5L for Grohe G7-G9 systems.

I've had a bath done earlier in another city but the costs were much lower than here in the Delhi NCR region so it made sense to go with the plumber's recommendation. I take it that I cannot estimate labor costs accurately but at least the fittings / fixtures are there any rules of thumb?

Hi Vaibhav

I have also been using builder installed Somany ceramics and cp fittings in on of our apartments since the past 14 years. The water in Indirapuram is reasonably hard though better than Noida. These taps haven’t looked new since the past 9 years. So, yes the life is a bit less considering the water quality. I was using American Standard ceramics and they were in reasonably good shape after 3 years of use.

Was also using Grohe CP fittings & really happy with the experience. So much so, that ended up replacing them with Grohe Spa Thermostat systems in both bathrooms.

I feel, that with hard water, one needs to be very pro active with maintenance. One of my friends is using Kohler in their Noida apartment in colored finishes. The only practice they have is, they get the taps cleaned everyday with Kohler tap cleaner and those still look new 3 years later.

Answering your questions regarding costs above in bold.

About the labour costs in Delhi NCR, consider about 30k per bathroom for plumber and another 10k for civil guy who will do the plaster work.

Hope this helps and all the best with your renovations.

[Aravindpn]

Hi All,

Looking for some feed back and inputs.

We are in midst of constructing new home in Bangalore. We will have to start buying sanitary ware and CP fittings for bathrooms in coming weeks. Based on my requirements and internet search, have shortlisted Kohler or Jaquar for master bedroom toilets and Kerovit or Cera for other bathrooms (to balance budget). As I get into more details, Kerovit products looks very promising on paper (not getting enough long term end user feed back on Kerovit). Not looking for very premium brands like Duravit/ Toto/ Grohe etc. It would be helpful if I can get some feedback to select between Kohler/ Jaquar and Cera/ Kerovit.

Also, am I making a mistake by ignoring hindware/ parryware/simpolo/somany or any other brands?

Thank You!

[Turbanator]

Originally Posted by Aravindpn

Not looking for very premium brands like Duravit/ Toto/ Grohe etc. It would be helpful if I can get some feedback to select between Kohler/ Jaquar and Cera/ Kerovit.

Most manufacturers like Kohler/ Jaguar/ Duravit/ Toto/ Grohe - all will have some range for corporate sales- some selected models for Hotels/ guesthouses etc. Try that if you are flexible on looks, I will pick a functional over appearance.

Speak with the larger dealer or direct to the company and ask who handles institutional sales.

[vrprabhu]

Have Kohler, Jaquar (3+ years) and Parryware (10+ years) bathroom, toilet and washbasin fittings.

All three washbasins are in good shape; however, the Kohler looks premium compared to other two.

The toilet basins aren't much different. Despite having soft water in the toilet, the stains are unavoidable. A simple solution was to change the toilet seat covers (Parryware) after which it looks new! Cleaning and maintenance was equal for all. Dealer told not to use the toilet cleaner (Sanifresh, Harpic etc.) to clean the seats - those will cause the seats to loose colour and catch stains easier.

One point to note is that, replacing the spindles, aerators in the Jaquar taps are more expensive. And, each brand has its own design and no other brand will fit in the other. Also, the models get outdated - the 10 year old Parryware replacement parts weren't easily available...

[m8002?]

I am in the process of renovating the bathrooms.

How is Ruhe as a brand for faucets and bath fittings like single mixers, diverter valves and shower heads? Also for commodes. The rates seem quite reasonable compared to Jaquar/ Kohler and they have some good designs. Any experience with spares availability?

My current Jaquar taps are 20 years old and going strong. I had to replace the spindles in a couple of them. There are ones that are still on the original spindles. I am leaning towards Jaquar inspite of the higher cost..but open to other good brands as well.

[Sebring]

Renovating Dad's home and I have given Ruhe a chance (since they're new). The designs are good. (Mixers, wash basins, bottle trap, valves, drain holes/pipes all look great). Reliability should be proven in 5 years The commodes are Simpolo, (another new entrant), so are the floors (Wall flush unit is GROHE). Few taps from Jaquar. Hygiene faucet is Kohler but stated leaking on day one. A single tap for the washing machine is from the same brand. Pipes are Ashirwad/Supreme. Got everything done at a soft budget, so happy there. Will post pics once done.

Originally Posted by m8002?

I How is Ruhe as a brand for faucets and bath fittings like single mixers, diverter valves and shower heads? Also for commodes.

[m8002?]

Originally Posted by Sebring

The commodes are Simpolo, (another new entrant), so are the floors (Wall flush unit is GROHE).

is it possible to mix and match? You mean the wall mount frame+tank+faceplace is from Grohe? Are the mounting points on the frame standardized?

Regarding wall mounted toilets, I am more concerned about maintenance since the cistern is inside the wall. Also, it is not recommended for places with hard water. Had experienced this in Chennai when the washers inside the cistern used to get damaged due to the high TDS and it starts to leak.