[Samarth 619]

Its not possible to identify the vehicle this easily. And even if it was, as a petrol pump owner, Why will I spare the incoming business?

However, in the long term, what this ban will do is, make it slightly tough to get fuel with invoice/ bill, for cars clearly older than a certain age. Also, it will raise questions on owners with older cars in operation as to how they're using it.
So, its not entirely impractical, it will make life tougher for old vehicle owners.

Originally Posted by swift.surya

Get a 10L jar of Bisleri or something alike. Go to the petrol pump. Fill it up. Problem solved. If there is a will there is a way.

In my small city, they refuse to fill it in front of the CCTV camera. They told me to come to a corner for this. And it was barely a 1L bottle for emergency reasons.

[Rodie09]

I am sure I am missing something very obvious here.

I am really confused why this rule is needed when 15 year old vehicles are anyway banned in the city. Why this additional rule to basically achieve the same goal? If you can't drive that car, how would you go to the gas station? And why would you need fuel at all?

Is it a secondary provision to handle the violators of the 1st ban?

If the deadline is 31st March then was it allowed for 15 year old car to be taken to gas station until now?

[prateekchanana]

Originally Posted by saket77

Isn't plying of such vehicles already prohibited in DL? And if one is not driving, then why & how will one fill petrol in that vehicle?

Prohibited but not followed strictly. The rule does say the car will be impounded, but sometimes people just keep on using them as anyways what they get for sale at end around 9 years for diesel cars is very low. I know many people who own 5-6 cars and simply didn't care about the rule many times. You do end up loosing the money though. A friend of mine kept his sparingly used 320d for almost 4 years after missing the 10 years deadline and kept on using it. Finally sold it for scrap at some 1.5 lacs after 14 years. If he had sold it at around 9 years, would've probably fetched him some 12-15 lacs.

And moreover, there is confusion on whether vehicles with non NCR number plates and over 10/15 years are allowed or not. And many such vehicles are also on the roads.

[mack.mehul]

Originally Posted by GTX+

The OP has quoted an article in which the transport minister has been quoted saying they will install a gadget. So obviously there won't be any physical verification required, by attendants or anyone else. Though it is not clear what kind of a gadget will be installed and whether it is possible to install such a gadget in all the petrol stations by 31/Mar/2025.

I dont beleive there is any such gadget that can prevent dispensation of fuel to 15 yr old vehicles. It is just one of those lies spread like that of 2000 rs notes having a chip inside.

[naveen.raju]

Surprisingly, in a Malayalam news channel, the reporter asked few people in Delhi about this rule and most of them supported it.

I think there are many other things to do first before making the common man suffer.

I wouldnt be surprised to see on the news channels - "Petrol bunk attendant denies petrol, car driver slaps him". And like fellow bhpian pointed, why would the bunk loose their business unless some strict monitoring is done.

[navpreet318]

Petrol Pump owners and staff will now jump with joy!!

Another avenue to get some more out of an already low earning business for some time.

So anyone with an old car will have to shell some additional "service charge" for getting the fuel. Staff bhi khush, pump owner bhi khush!!

Haven't we seen this throughout our lives! Wherever there is a restriction, it just opens an avenue for corruption. Guess that was the plan forever.

[toiingg]

Hypothetically, if i own 2 cars, one older than 15 years and one not that old, whats stopping me from tanking up on the newer car, coming home and syphoning and transferring that fuel in to my 15 year old car ?

All this is doing is increasing chances of accidental fires and hardships to the car owners

[GTX+]

Originally Posted by mack.mehul

I dont beleive there is any such gadget that can prevent dispensation of fuel to 15 yr old vehicles. It is just one of those lies spread like that of 2000 rs notes having a chip inside.

Yes there is no gadget at present. But the minister has been quoted saying they will install a gadget. I too am wondering how will they develop such a product and install it at all the petrol stations before end of this month.

My hunch is, they will ask either ask the petrol stations to deploy personnel with a tab/smart phone and ask them to look up the vehicle registration on Parivahan site and refuse fuel to any vehicle which is found older than 10/15 years.

This smartphone/tab might the gadget the minister is talking about

[am1m]

Man, we excel at creating even more complicated solutions for serious problems.

Even as someone who believes that vehicular pollution needs to be controlled, even then I can't fathom how this measure will help. Just think about the manpower required to verify this sort of thing. What miracle 'gadget' is this that the minister is talking about?! What is the data, really? What is the percentage of vehicles that are above 15 years old? What is the difference in pollution levels between such a vehicle and a newer vehicle? By vehicle type, by fuel type? Is that offset worth the increased cost and manpower costs to implement this measure? Would that cost be better spent pushing some more effective pollution reduction measure? The first requirement when tackling such problems is good data and measurements. Releasing such data will also help with public acceptance.

And finally, what the heck are the newspapers doing, why aren't they asking these questions and for this data?

Edit: Found some high-level data:

source: https://www.cseindia.org/what-will-i...ehicles--10380

"Even though the older legacy vehicles are smaller in numbers, their contribution to the pollution load from vehicles can be disproportionately high. In its consultation note of 2018, the MoRTH had mentioned that although commercial vehicles (such as trucks and buses, taxies and three-wheelers etc) constitute only about 5 per cent of the total fleet,they contribute nearly 65-70 per cent of the vehicular pollution."

"The CPCB carried out such surveys in 2015 in six cities and found that 13 per cent of trucks, 8 per cent of buses, 5 per cent of three-wheelers, 3 per cent of cars and 7 per cent of two-wheelers were above the 15-year age limit."

So it would seem that focusing on heavy transport fleet vehicles will be a better strategy than patrolling fuel pumps that cater to mainly personal vehicles, right?

[batish]

Wait guys. We've got another gem here.

[sumathindra]

This is a foolish move. Any idea if this ban may come to Bangalore also? I get it if its diesel however for petrol looks a bit far fetched!

[DicKy]

Originally Posted by batish

Wait guys. We've got another gem here.

Attachment 2737648

To implement this rule, the government of Delhi and fuel stations will utilize AI-enabled cameras to identify if a vehicle is new enough to get fuel. These cameras will help in identifying non-compliant vehicles, verifying Pollution Under Control (PUC) certificates, and checking the age of the vehicle. If a fuel station does not have these AI cameras, then it will be required to install them.

Next, social credit system to have the privilege to fill up at fuel pumps?

... the owners of these old cars have only three options. The first one is that they can either dispose of their end-of-life vehicles or sell them outside Delhi using a No-Objection Certificate. If not the above two options, the owner will have to use public transportation or switch to electric or hybrid vehicles...

How about a fourth (Emigrating to a Foreign Land!) option?

[kushagra452]

Delhi NCR folks who are considering purchasing a new car should look at their purchase as a 15 year car lease. Do crunch the numbers before you decide to transfer the money to the dealers account!

Essentially you're leasing a car for 15 years from an OEM but making the full payment upfront. For example, purchasing a 15 lakhs petrol SUV for 15 years would means an outgo of 1 lac per year. This would be fine if the payments were spread across 180 months, however the OEMs are taking this money upfront. As time value of money states - Money today is worth more than money tomorrow!

It is a win-win situation for the OEMs and dealers.

Food for thought: Does it make sense for Delhi NCR folks to lease a car rather than outright purchase?

[anjan_c2007]

What and whom these website news people are trying to tutor?

Some excerpts:-

Starting April 2025, bans petrol vehicles older than 15 years and diesel vehicles over 10 years. High-tech systems at fuel stations will block fuel supply to defaulters. Learn how ANPR cameras and strict enforcement aim to curb pollution.

In a bold effort to combat toxic air pollution, the Delhi government has announced a complete ban on petrol vehicles older than 15 years and diesel vehicles over 10 years starting April 1, 2025. To enforce this, high-tech systems are being installed at 500+ fuel stations across the capital, which will automatically deny fuel to non-compliant vehicles.

The link:-
https://munsifdaily.com/ban-on-15-ye...fuel-stations/

As if by imposing such a ban they think that the AQI will return to the sub 100 figure during the coming Nov-January months. Let's wait and watch - eight months to go!

These websites don't analyse the news, but simply report it as it is, also dutifully adding their own Indian spices to create a fear psychosis amongst older vehicle owners.

[Samarth 619]

The only workable & accurate methodology (in my opinion) on detecting whether a vehicle is 15 years old, is to:-

1. have a CCTV camera system, with an internet connected AI-device installed in petrol pumps to read number plates. This can be either fixed on a wall, or handheld, or attached to pump handle/ nozzle.

2. This device will instantly upload the scanned registration number on VAAHAN portal to find out the year of registration.

3. Probably, when it gives a "green" light, the vehicle is clear to fill petrol, and "Red" would mean no fuel. Within a few seconds.

Considering that looks of a vehicle may deceive, in my opinion, this is the only idea that will work reliably.
Later on, maybe government might force oil companies to give such pump machines only-> it will disperse petrol only if number plate is scanned.

Once again, it's only a move of targetting the more vulnerable, than the more guilty.
Not a fair move, regardless how effective it is.