[gururajrv]

Simply put, Data privacy for anyone and everyone regardless of age is a joke in this country or majority of countries. These umpteen ways to obtain data is quite concerning, but, there's no other way than to give in to these "procedural" pressures. I have to sign up for my son's ID as well. Ultimately, those days of government agencies having a close digital watch is not too far off.

[BhayanaV]

When Aadhaar was launched, it was quoted as the unified ID for everything. We all know it never happened. Every state has their own ID's now in addition to centralized ID (passport etc.). Haryana govt asked to make Family ID, we never did it and then one fine day they made it mandatory for everything related to state govt. We had to rush to get it done immediately.
Same is going to happen with APAAR, sooner or later almost everyone will have to get it. Don't think discussing the cons will make any difference to govt authorities. So yes, I will get it done for my kids.

[m8002?]

Originally Posted by ValarMorghulis

I think apart from a Student ID, the government also plans to make a health ID.

The concerning part in this specific case is not getting a new number/ID. Its the clause about making your(or your kid's ) information available to anyone and everyone.

When getting a Passport, your data is not given ( or sold ) to travel agents. Same while getting a PAN, its not given out to all MF houses or banks.

[d.w.w.]

Honestly, there is no use in resisting or protesting; you have to go with the flow. Nobody takes data privacy seriously and the moment you try to educate people, they look at you like an alien. Once I tried to resist, the teachers had no idea it was optional and I had to collect govt notifications to prove it is in fact optional. Still they were not ready to accept and they had no idea what to do if a parent refuses to share data. The conversation was going pointless, so finally signed the document for peace of mind.

On top of this, there is pressure on the kids as well from school. They are too young to understand how this data can be misused, so they think what is wrong with my parents and why cant they give the consent when all of my classmates parents have.

[coldice4u]

Resistance is futile! You might hold out but only for so long.

[Gator]

There are many who do not have aadhaar cards but are enrolled in schools, children of legal non-immigrants working here, etc. Hence a new number.

Second could be partitioning the data if some one seeks your educational record they cannot get other aadhaar linked data.

Best,
Gator

[sachinayak]

Originally Posted by Gator

There are many who do not have aadhaar cards but are enrolled in schools, children of legal non-immigrants working here, etc. Hence a new number.

If partitioning data was a factor, they could just do

AADHAR_NO.FIN = PAN Number
AADHAR_NO.EDU = Education ID
AAHDAR_NO.VOT = Voter ID
AADHAR_NO.DL = Driving License ID
AADHAR_NO.UAN = UAN ID for PPF
AADHAR_NO.ARM = Arms License ID

Why trouble citizens to keep applying for new IDs and then link to Aadhar.

When Aadhar is the most detailed and unique id, why should all not just focus on getting the Aadhar and that spawns to other IDs based on eligibility checks as appropriate e.g. When I pass a driving test, they enable my Driving License ID (which will automatically be linked to my Aadhar Card). Why cannot government do this centrally, instead of all citizens needing to do this individually. So inefficient.

[Gator]

:-) they did .edu part only without AADAAR_No.

.edu has to be unique too, as for the same AADHAR we cannot have two same .EDU values.

IMO, good to keep these ids separate.
Best,
Gator.

[binand]

Originally Posted by sachinayak

When Aadhar is the most detailed and unique id...

There is a misconception here. Aadhaar is not the "most detailed ID". All Aadhaar claims to do is to assure is the uniqueness of an individual - this means: (a) two different individuals will have two different Aadhaars, and (b) a single individual cannot have two different Aadhaars.

In terms of outcome, Aadhaar solves exactly three problems: (a) it can prevent "ghosts" or nonexistent people claiming benefits, (b) it can prevent people from claiming benefits more than once, and (c) it can prevent impersonation or one person claiming benefits that are due to another.

It is up to the individual clients of Aadhaar to decide how to use its bijection guarantee to achieve their specific objectives (for a state PDS, this could be to ensure nobody creates fake ration cards and siphon off subsidised foodgrain).

Rest everything - your name, DoB, address etc. - are additional metadata that Aadhaar stores for your convenience, without any warranty of authenticity or accuracy. If you notice - the Aadhaar enrolment process simply accepts whatever document you submit for each of these and copies the information contained over into its database - they do not validate the information in any way.

Originally Posted by sachinayak

why should all not just focus on getting the Aadhar and that spawns to other IDs based on eligibility checks as appropriate e.g. When I pass a driving test, they enable my Driving License ID (which will automatically be linked to my Aadhar Card)

This is exactly what happens today, for IDs that are issued after Aadhaar's legality was established. When my son applied for a driving license, the process did his Aadhaar authentication upfront and his license came pre-linked with Aadhaar. Same with his PAN.

Right now, this APAAR is just another client following the same process. The real questions (being asked in this thread and elsewhere) are three: (a) is the client trying to solve a problem that does not exist, (b) even if the problem exists does the client have the legal mandate to solve it, and (c) if the problem does exist and the client has the mandate to solve it - can they solve it without using Aadhaar for those sceptics who don't want to use it?

My answers are (a) no, (b) partial yes and (c) maybe not.

[anivy]

If someone is in need of a "template letter" to raise concerns regarding this ID, SFLC.in has the details.

[SRM]

Well I have a different problem. The APAAR ID has already been created for my twin daughters using my phone number. The only way to access it seems to be to add it to Digilocker.

Now I am unable to retrieve my daughter's APAAR document using my login credentials on Digilocker. Has anyone had any experience of accessing the same for their child?

[tasty911]

Originally Posted by SRM

Now I am unable to retrieve my daughter's APAAR document using my login credentials on Digilocker. Has anyone had any experience of accessing the same for their child?

If your daughter has an aadhar, use that to login. They will sent OTP to the phone no linked to aadhar.
Not sure how it works if someone does not have aadhar.

[ssjr0498]

I have shot an email saying that this is "optional" as per the govt and I do not consent!

Originally Posted by m8002?

My kid's school is behind us to get this APAAR ID generated. Though the "official" stand from Government is its optional, the schools are pressurised to get all students enrolled in it.

The consent form explicitly states that your personal data can be used for almost anything. Here is the quote




How are others resisting it. We already have Aadhaar linked to everything and I am not keen on another ID for my son.

[TurboTales]

Hi,

The consent form provided for my daughters clearly states that no discrimination will be made against anyone who chooses not to create an Aapaar ID.

Does this mean that everybody is getting seperate circular ?

[pandabear]

The lone voice here and may be the most unpopular, seriously I don't understand the paranoia here.

The very people who resist here maintain ids with apple Google Microsoft etc. Also give unnecessary documentation for visas etc but don't want a student unique id?

Please enlighten me, I just fail to empathize here.