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Originally Posted by Gansan That implies the upper middle class and higher can't be idiots and those below can. Please remember there are super idiots in the highest levels of society and brilliant sane individuals in the lowest stratas of society in all countries.
As for civilian casualties, they are inevitable in any war. Can't be helped. Remember it was the Americans who were dismissive about civilian casualties starting from the Iraq invasion if I remember right. They even invented the term "collateral damage". |
I will respond to your last paragraph first. I have already registered my disgust at the Americans government murdering civilians in conflict zones and using the term collateral damage to brush it off. Unfortunately, I can't copy paste or link my previous posts every time I post.
Also, as far as I understand it some efforts at creating humanitarian corridors to avoid civilian casualties have been thwarted simply because the Russians start shelling such corridors within minutes of people using them. Yes, some members consider this as western propaganda and believe that the Ukrainians are shelling their own citizens...that is not something I can help with.
Unfortunately, in my hurry to submit that post I didn't realise that using the word 'Idiots' would influence the meaning of my post (at least I should have been smart enough to understand that people would latch onto that one word and ignore the rest of the post).
Rest assured that I don't see a correlation between people social class and their cognitive ability. What I simply meant that for a lot of people who consume and form their view points these days from social media it might simply seem that Russia is the aggrieved party and has the full right to launch a pre-emptive attack on its sovereign neighbour.
They would also think that western countries don't have the moral right/authority to punish Russia simply because of multiple invasions and coups they have committed over the years.
The thing is I actually agree with this line of thought but only for their government. An American government has no right to preach to the world about moral values but I don't extend that to American citizens.
Just as I know that while the Indian government need to look after the interests of its own country/citizens (which is also why I support our stand at the UN) I dont get why Indian citizens would shy away from denouncing any war regardless of whether it's committed by Americans/British/Russian etc.
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Originally Posted by das_ren_auto This forum is also a reflection of the society and no different. Sweeping statements about the "social class" doesn't gel with the spirit of this forum... |
Now coming to the part about our forum members, yes I realise that not everyone here would be upper middle class ..again that was a mistake I committed trying to submit that post quickly.
What I mean is that members here who I think would have more knowledge of history would already know that ultimately this war is only going to benefit a certain group of people (whether it's the American government with their defence contractor buddies) or Putin or China I don't know yet.
But the end result would be multiple civilian casualties for what could have been avoided. Despite this I get the feeling from some members here that they are ok with children/women/men dying simply because they have been waiting for someone to beat down the west.
Again please note that I didn't say all members neither do I think that any post that explains the Russian perspective for this war automatically makes the person who posted it someone who supports civilian deaths. Despite what a lot of members think this thread is more Pro Russian than any other form of social media that I am a part off..so any post that tilts the other side will feel Pro American.
Edit: Think I will ask the mods to remove certain words from that post because it allows people to ignore my main point (that we shouldn't be ok with civilian casualties just because the west is getting a taste of its own medicine) but I don't think that will matter because multiple members have already assumed I am Pro American and that I have fallen to Western propaganda without realising that I don't support any war.