[sierrabravo98]

Originally Posted by deathwalkr

Sorry i am no expert on global politics and it's many nuances but is it common knowledge that he is an American puppet?

And as per news reports i believe his family is also still in Ukraine?

1.) Yes it is. Read up on the role played by Victoria Nuland in the Euro-Maidan revolution. Or wait a few years and watch a Hollywood film on it. They love to do that (make films glorifying their global destabilisation efforts).

2.) That is what the MSM would like you to believe. OSINT accounts (which have proven to be more reliable till now) beg to differ. However, in the absence of overwhelming proof to support my statement, you can believe whatever you want to.

[itwasntme]

Some pictures speak a thousand words!

[PreludeSH]

Saw some of Putin's press conferences. He doesn't refuse to answer any questions however blaming they are against him.

I am not sure who will bell the US. They behave like they are undisputed king of the world. They have created (in conjunction with Soviets) most of civil wars that still continue today. They have created terrorists by their intervention, wiped off countries with no borders and no central control over large swathes of land in middle east.

They dont need security council when they invade smaller countries and now they want everyone to support them. They need to drop 'either with us or against us' mentality. Hope the UN is treated as a democratic body.

Our external affairs minister has talked about some aspects in press conferences reminding western journalists that US is not helping India but have their own interests when it seems like that.

But all said Putin should stop his aggression and just demand Ukraine should not join NATO. Everything else should be left to Ukraine to decide. Ukraine and other countries in future should know not to get propped up by US and go towards destruction.

[Akshay6988]

Originally Posted by sierrabravo98

This man is an idiot of the highest order. His strings have been controlled by his CIA masters from the time he was (s)elected. Leaving that aside,

Sure he may be controlled by USA but calling him an idiot ? That man is still standing in and by his country, surely he's not an idiot as some *ahem* keyboard warriors are saying. Some decency is too much to ask perhaps ?

The highlighted part of your post is what has been amusing me the most since this invasion has started. The sheer scale of "dhoti-shivering" by Urban Indians worrying about IT exports to the west in case of sanctions. I just ask this to such people : Are these IT exports the product of largesse on behalf of the Western countries? NO!! This is pure business. They import these services from us because we are able to fit into their cost-quality matrix. They will move away from us only if their profits start getting affected. If only such Indians stopped shaking at the very thought of going against the quintessential white master

The member put across his concerns regarding jobs in IT industry and you chose to ridicule him ? Perhaps you are not working anywhere yet so I assume these sort of arrogant replies.

[SmartCat]

Originally Posted by sierrabravo98

This man is an idiot of the highest order.

Originally Posted by Akshay6988

Sure he may be controlled by USA but calling him an idiot ? That man is still standing in and by his country, surely he's not an idiot as some *ahem* keyboard warriors are saying. Some decency is too much to ask perhaps ?

He and his officials never believed that Russia would invade despite all the intelligence reports from US. He thought Putin was bluffing. So it is unclear what kind of preparation Ukrainian military made to stop an invasion.

Source:

Why Ukraine’s president is talking down the threat from Russia (Published on Feb 5th 2022)
https://www.economist.com/europe/why...ussia/21807491

Ukraine’s government dismissed leaks from American intelligence officials that Russia was transporting supplies of blood to its troops at the Ukrainian border to treat potential casualties of war. “The purpose of such information is to spread panic and fear in our society,” wrote the deputy defence minister, Hanna Maliar, in a Facebook post

Why most Ukrainians don’t believe Biden’s warnings (Published on Feb 22nd 2022)
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...-distrust-west

At the same time, Ukrainian leaders have voiced their concerns about the alarmist messages emanating from the West. In late January, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy accused the West of sowing “panic”. “There are signals even from respected leaders of states, they just say that tomorrow there will be war. This is panic – how much does it cost for our state?” he told a press conference on January 28.

The head of his Servant of the People party that dominates Ukraine’s parliament accused leading US media outlets of disseminating fake reports based on warnings from the White House and the Pentagon. “When in two or three weeks this phase [of the confrontation] disappears, we will have to retrospectively analyse how very prominent media outlets began to disseminate information in ways worse than” Kremlin-controlled television channels, David Arakhamiya said in televised remarks on February 15

[Chetan_Rao]

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[buzzy_boy]

Despite appearances, Joe Biden is the biggest winner of this war. Putin could have won the battle, but is a net looser IMHO. And no, this is not a long winded conspiracy theory about Dollar and Oil:

We need to analyse the consequences carefully to determine the winners and losers

Putin's short term-victory:

1. In all likelihood, he would install a government more favourable to Moscow in Ukraine.
2. He has stopped Nato from moving further east
3. Effectively threatened centeral Asian countries like Georgia - who'd now think twice before taking him on
4. Reinforced his image as a strongman, and would certainly have gained domestic popularity.

Nato's victory

1. From day-1, related to Ukraine, Nato has fought an information-war. Their aim was to project Putin as the aggressor. Putin's subsequent actions gives their theory more ammunition.
2. Nato will now use Putin's agression to justify forward deployment of military hardware into eastern Europe. This is critical for them to create an effective defence system against Russian, and potentially, Chinese missiles.
3. Nato will now use economic sanctions to coerce favorable economic deals. Deals, that would serve American interests, will be cut over Russia's oil & military resources. Countries like India will now think twice before buying Russian military equipment.
4. Russian occupation of Ukraine should essentially be time-bound. He can't afford to keep his forces in Ukraine for an indefinite period of time. However, there is no such limitations for economic sanctions. The US can keep them for as long as they want, and leverage them as instruments of coercion.

The greatest loser seems to be the Ukrainian people. They'll now be under a government that can't be welfare state.

[RaghavEvoX]

Ukraine believed in US & NATO countries and provoked Russia. And as usual they backed out and will not help in the war.
The only thing they know is sanctions and bullying other countries.

If India is in the same place surrounded by different countries who are supporting Pakistan while equipping them with weapons and army bases, why would we keep quiet ? After all it is our national security.
Easiest thing for Ukraine to do was to not take steps in becoming a NATO member but they learned it the hard way.

Somehow, feel Trump was far better in handling international issues after Biden's Afghanistan & Ukraine debacle.

USA was involved in 5 major wars since WW2 - Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf War, Iraq, Afghanistan and more than 134 other wars. The largest by any nation.
In last 25 years, they have been involved in so many regime change wars. All in the name of peace and humanity.

As a famous quote goes by, 'USA has no friends or enemies, only interests.'

[sierrabravo98]

Originally Posted by Akshay6988

Sure he may be controlled by USA but calling him an idiot ? That man is still standing in and by his country, surely he's not an idiot as some *ahem* keyboard warriors are saying. Some decency is too much to ask perhaps ?

The member put across his concerns regarding jobs in IT industry and you chose to ridicule him ? Perhaps you are not working anywhere yet so I assume these sort of arrogant replies.

1.) Sure, I am just a keyboard warrior. Zelensky is not. He is the leader of the Ukrainian people. Thus I would suppose that he has/had ample warning/intelligence about Russia's plan. He knows he is beat. False Bravado in the face of such overwhelming opposition, especially coupled with moves like distributing assault rifles among untrained/undisciplined citizenry, is nauseatingly reckless. The results of this move have already started to show (infighting among civilians) and will become starker with time when Russians start retaliating upon being ambushed in FIBUA ops. And they will not respond to attacks from AKs with AKs. They will use disproportionate force.

So what exactly is Zelensky hoping to achieve with this move? What would you call this move? He should have learnt from Ashraf Ghani who saw the bloodbath that lay ahead if he resisted the Taliban and thus chose to step down.

2.) Did I address any specific member with my post? I specifically said "Urban Indians". I would like you to corroborate your statements with proof failing which you ought to withdraw your unfounded accusations. Please don't give me that "everyone knows who you were referring to" argument.

[JJ1991]

USAF F16 Fighting Falcon was spotted circling nearby Romanian border. Couple of refuelling planes were also near by.

[AjinkyaP]

a similar and very important event happened in 1939, it began with a Soviet invasion of Finland on 30 November 1939.

Tiny yet resilient Finland stood up against mighty USSR which was way superior in numbers and materiel. To save themselves from the massive embarrassment, USSR agreed for the peace negotiations.

Stalin, who wanted to take over the whole of Finland, agreed to settle on a narrow belt on the border between the two countries with the Moscow peace treaty.

After 15 months of Interim Peace, in June 1941, Nazi Germany commenced Operation Barbarossa, and the Continuation War between Finland and the USSR began.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

[nandrive]

Originally Posted by sierrabravo98

1.) Sure, I am just a keyboard warrior. Zelensky is not. He is the leader of the Ukrainian people. Thus I would suppose that he has/had ample warning/intelligence about Russia's plan. He knows he is beat. False Bravado in the face of such overwhelming opposition, especially coupled with moves like distributing assault rifles among untrained/undisciplined citizenry, is nauseatingly reckless. The results of this move have already started to show (infighting among civilians) and will become starker with time when Russians start retaliating upon being ambushed in FIBUA ops. And they will not respond to attacks from AKs with AKs. They will use disproportionate force.

So what exactly is Zelensky hoping to achieve with this move? What would you call this move? He should have learnt from Ashraf Ghani who saw the bloodbath that lay ahead if he resisted the Taliban and thus chose to step down.

"Only a fool fights a battle which he knows he can not win", its a famous quote by one of the earths most ruthless military leaders. Zelensky is doing exactly the same. He misjudged Putin's resolve, US and NATO support. What he must do now is, minimize the death and suffering of Ukrainians. He may be brave but definitely he is not wise.

[McLaren Rulez]

Originally Posted by deathwalkr

Sorry i am no expert on global politics and it's many nuances but is it common knowledge that he is an American puppet?

And as per news reports i believe his family is also still in Ukraine?

Here's the thing: I'm pretty sure everyone else on this thread is no more an expert on geopolitics than you are but quite a few people nevertheless believe themselves to be

[srini1785]

The Russians did this to the Dutch: Malaysian airline MH17 shot down over Ukraine

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28357880

The Dutch did this to the Russians: Dutch plan to supply 200 missiles to Ukraine to fight the Russians

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/dutc..._worldtrending

Karma comes back.

[warrioraks]

I was thinking - what is stopping Ukraine from hitting Russian mainland with surface to surface missiles? Or does it not have any?