[nandadevieast]

Meanwhile, Europe is going back to coal. As expected, the real victims of this war are innocent people and mother nature. Politicians are immune from these concerns.

[Ford5]

Save for the western propaganda of Russia losing, Russia has achieved most of what it set out to do.

The only loser is Ukraine and it’s damaged economy which will be replenished by trade with their enemy’s friend : China.

Antagonising Russia further will be against Europes own interest as these three months have shown.

Waiting for the next Uncle Sam misadventure, goading Taiwan with weapons and putting pressure on Japan/S. korea/Australia (they’ve already given Nuclear powered submarines to Australia) to side with them with them when China wants to take care of the Taiwan problem once and for all.

Hope my Motherland India has a plan to stay out of this strategic blunder that US would love to push us into when China looks to settle the Taiwan issue.

[goacom]

Yeah, the Nazis thought the same in 1940 when they were rampaging through Europe and N.Africa. Russia has only achieved a small fraction of its objectives with high human costs and its enemy is not vanquished. The war is still young and so long as Ukraine is willing to fight, there will continue to be a fight. Ukraine is currently Soviet ammo constrained and converting to western equipment/training is a long process, but it is happening.

Obviously, the Chinese/Russian apologists here will think otherwise!

Originally Posted by Ford5

Save for the western propaganda of Russia losing, Russia has achieved most of what it set out to do.

The only loser is Ukraine and it’s damaged economy which will be replenished by trade with their enemy’s friend : China.

[v1p3r]

Originally Posted by Foxbat

The level of propaganda on YouTube is simply unbelievable...

What actually happened, 3k views and 79 comments:

Ukrainian air defense shot down their Mi-24 helicopter

https://www.Youtube.com/watch?v=Qi08G48GqzU

The Hind does not appear to have the same colour scheme as you've posted. Interestingly, there are now geotagged pictures of the tail boom floating about with РОССИИ. I only found these because I was trying to understand why the colours in the two videos didn't match. From what I can see, one propaganda source has been replaced by another.

By the way, I'm a big fan of your moniker. I've had the pleasure of seeing a MiG-25 in real life. What a marvel of engineering.

Originally Posted by V.Narayan

Regardless of which sides pilots died in that gruesome fireball each of them was some mother's child. Give a thought to how terrifying and painful must it be to be consumed in a fireball.

This is the only truth. War has always been a game played by the rich, powerful, and old where the young die.

Now in addition, we have the internet, where every recent teenager still living in his parent's home speaks of 'casualties of war' and strategems with the same authority that the Auroras and Manekshaws rightfully earned.

[Chetan_Rao]

Originally Posted by v1p3r

... where every recent teenager still living in his parent's home speaks of 'casualties of war' and strategems with the same authority that the Auroras and Manekshaws rightfully earned.

When the only RPG one has experienced happens to be an online game, not a deadly armament, or the latter they use in the former to score 'kills', it tends to have that effect.

[Ford5]

Originally Posted by goacom

Ukraine is currently Soviet ammo constrained and converting to western equipment/training is a long process, but it is happening.

It was said Russia has run out of ballistic missiles, soldiers morale running low, defections etc.

This was the Nazi propaganda my friend spread from the Nazi apologists and it’s clearly happening on the Ukraine side in the recent weeks after Russia learnt from its initial mistakes.

Sure they got some German equipment yesterday and more May come and they will keep fighting and requesting heavy arms, there’s only that much they can do when their nation is a proxy of Anti Russia forces and when their eastern fronts are mostly take over.

[Foxbat]

Are the journalist at the NYTimes done with propaganda and are now publishing the facts?




Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/21/w...l-embargo.html

Western Move to Choke Russia’s Oil Exports Boomerangs, for Now
With China and India buying Russian oil despite the West’s sanctions, Moscow is earning more now than it did before the war


When the United States and European Union moved to curtail purchases of Russian fossil fuels this year, they hoped it would help make the Russian invasion of Ukraine so economically painful for Moscow that President Vladimir V. Putin would be forced to abandon it.

That prospect now seems remote at best.

China and India, the world’s most populous countries, have swooped in to buy roughly the same volume of Russian oil that would have gone to the West. Oil prices are so high that Russia is making even more money now from sales than it did before the war began four months ago. And its once-flailing currency has surged in value against the dollar.

Russian officials are smirking over what they are calling a spectacular failure to cow Mr. Putin. And the economic pain the oil boycott was meant to inflict is reverberating not so much in Moscow but in the West, especially the United States, where skyrocketing oil prices pose a potent threat to President Biden less than halfway into his term.

Good to see India benefiting and helping Russia:

The combination of discounted Russian crude and higher prices at the pump also means that Indian refiners are profiting doubly, according to analysts. Some of the oil products exported by India have been shipped to the United States, Britain, France and Italy,

Once the refiners turn oil into diesel or gasoline, no one can distinguish whether the fuels they ship to Europe and elsewhere come from Russian crude. That means Western motorists who think they are paying more for non-Russian fuel may be mistaken.

[Gansan]

^^ If we are buying more Russian oil at a discount then how come there are shortages in some states? Why are private fuel marketing companies increasing their retail prices in India? Certain private entities are refining Russian crude and seling to the USA and EU, would be my guess. All the cheaper Russian oil is not retailed here.

[AltoLXI]

Originally Posted by Gansan

^^ If we are buying more Russian oil at a discount then how come there are shortages in some states? Why are private fuel marketing companies increasing their retail prices in India? Certain private entities are refining Russian crude and seling to the USA and EU, would be my guess. All the cheaper Russian oil is not retailed here.

I added some links in my post (Impact of the Russia-Ukraine war) yesterday which explains what is going on.

[dragracer567]

Originally Posted by Ford5

Waiting for the next Uncle Sam misadventure, goading Taiwan with weapons and putting pressure on Japan/S. korea/Australia (they’ve already given Nuclear powered submarines to Australia) to side with them with them when China wants to take care of the Taiwan problem once and for all.

Hope my Motherland India has a plan to stay out of this strategic blunder that US would love to push us into when China looks to settle the Taiwan issue.

Blaming the victim

You might as well say that India provoked China by constructing infrastructure at the border or Russia provoked US by supporting North Vietnam/North Korea or Kuwait provoked Iraq by asking for their money back.

So, you are basically saying that Russia and China have the right to bully their neighbors and they have no right to seek protection from countries who share similar interests.

Appeasing these dictatorial countries will only embolden them, India and Australia have been trying that with China since the 90s and look what happened!

Originally Posted by Foxbat

Are the journalist at the NYTimes done with propaganda and are now publishing the facts?

So, when western media publishes something that suits Russia, it's stating facts but it's propaganda when they publish something that doesn't suit the Russian narrative? The difference between free and independent media is that independent media can change their position as new evidence points to the contrary but on the other hand, channels like RT will never report that they are losing a war (whether they are actually losing or not). Similar to Pakistani media which misled their people in both 1971 and 1999 that they were winning the war against India.

[Ford5]

Originally Posted by dragracer567

Blaming the victim

Oh you mean Taiwan is bordering Arunachal Pradesh in North east India? You’re mixing two different things here.

And do you consider India a victim already

There is one country which wins by starting conflicts all over the world, and it is in this context I’ve posted here.

[dragracer567]

Originally Posted by Ford5

Oh you mean Taiwan is bordering Arunachal Pradesh in North east India? You’re mixing two different things here.

If Taiwan is provoking China by arming up, then as per your analogy India is also provoking China by building border infrastructure (which it isn't, both India and Taiwan have the right to defend themselves). You can't have different standards for different countries.

And do you consider India a victim already

I never said or meant that but since you brought it up, isn't it? Each and every one of China's neighbors (and beyond) have been a victim of China's expansionist ambitions.

PS if your insinuation is that I called India 'weak' by terming it as a victim, then that's your problem.

[Foxbat]

Originally Posted by dragracer567

So, when western media publishes something that suits Russia, it's stating facts but it's propaganda when they publish something that doesn't suit the Russian narrative? The difference between free and independent media is that independent media can change their position as new evidence points to the contrary but on the other hand, channels like RT will never report that they are losing a war

Yes its very independent, as long as you follow the Government narrative, if you expose war crimes you will end up like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0jThc4Lszo

In a blow to press freedom, the United Kingdom has approved the extradition of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange to the United States to face espionage charges related to the publication of classified documents exposing U.S. war crimes. Home Secretary Priti Patel signed off on the transfer after the U.K. Supreme Court denied Assange’s appeals earlier this year, part of a years-long legal battle that rights groups have decried as an attack on journalism and free speech. Assange faces up to 175 years in prison if convicted for violations of the Espionage Act, and his case represents a “once-in-a-lifetime fight for press freedom,” says Gabriel Shipton, Assange’s half-brother.

[dragracer567]

Originally Posted by Foxbat

Yes its very independent, as long as you follow the Government narrative, if you expose war crimes you will end up like this:

Ah yes, you are absolutely right. That is exactly why the UK opposition leader Alexei Navalny was poisoned and put in prison. Offcourse, those propagandists from the Western media will say that Alexei Navalny is actually a Russian opposition leader but they are offcourse lying.

I mean, all the BBC and CNN does everyday is praise Boris and Biden respectively. Also, The New York Times or CNN would never publish an article about a drone strike in Afghanistan that killed civilians - a potential war crime.

PS Sarcasm

You know about Julian Assange because the story was covered extensively by Western media. Even if he had done 1/20th of what he did in Russia and China, he would've disappeared without a trace. Can you please show me a similar RT article where they talk about civilians killed due to Russian military actions in Ukraine and criticize the Russian administration/military for it? As long as you can't do that, your argument is invalid, moot and irrelevant.

[download2live]

Originally Posted by AltoLXI

Once EU companies block insurance and financing the transport, Russia might find it difficult to sell crude.
Link

Looks like at least on classification side India has stepped in.

Do we have shipping/maritime professionals here to comment on this? Is it a too big of a risk given the discounted crude we are getting?

Excerpts from the article:
India is providing safety certification for dozens of ships managed by a Dubai subsidiary of top Russian shipping group Sovcomflot, official data showed, enabling oil exports to India and elsewhere after Western certifiers withdrew their services due to global sanctions against Moscow.

Certification by the Indian Register of Shipping (IRClass), one of the world's top classification companies, provides a final link in the paperwork chain - after insurance coverage - needed to keep state-owned Sovcomflot's tanker fleet afloat and delivering Russian crude oil to overseas markets.

Data compiled from the IRClass website shows that it has certified more than 80 ships managed by SCF Management Services (Dubai) Ltd, a Dubai-based entity listed as a subsidiary on Sovcomflot's website.

An Indian shipping source familiar with the certification process said most of Sovcomflot's vessels had now migrated to IRClass, via the Dubai arm.

Shipping industry publication TradeWinds reported last week that most of the Sovcomflot international tanker fleet that was declassified due to sanctions had been transferred to IRClass in April and May.

Classification societies certify that ships are safe and seaworthy, which is essential for securing insurance and for gaining access to ports.