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Old 17th November 2021, 02:24   #61
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Re: COP26 - India to go carbon neutral by 2070!

The ranking for the Climate Change Performance Index 2022 is out and it is quite interesting. The ranking evaluates and compares the climate protection performance of 60 countries and the European Union (EU), which collectively account for more than 92% of global greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions.

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In terms of methodology, it uses 14 indicators (outer circle) which come under the following four categories:

GHG Emissions (40% of overall score)
Renewable Energy (20% of overall score)
Energy Use (20% of overall score)
Climate Policy (20% of overall score)

Interestingly, India holds the fort at a solid 10th place which I'm guessing is due to its low per capita emissions and advances in renewable energy. This map really calls out who the real sources of the problem are (shocked to find Indonesia in red).

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Might this perhaps be the beginning of laying the foundations of a global government?

In India, the media hail the government as a hero for having allowed coal to continue, while in other countries, India and China are seen as barriers to salvation from climate change. Alok Sharma literally said "sorry" because he knows what's in store.

People love talking about per capita emissions, which is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
I read an article today about how the US military alone is in the 46th place in terms of national emissions. It pollutes the world more than the entire nation of Portugal.
I'm straying from the topic, my apologies, but I find it infuriating how stupid humanity can be. People are so mindlessly in pursuit of economic growth, that they've now forgotten about basic survival.
Thank you for the points you make. I'm using your post as a reference for my observations as many of these points were put forward by the media. Please do not see it as a criticism of your post. My generic observations:

Alok Sharma has cried for India & China. Didn't see those tears over every promise on funding renewables in the third world were broken by the G8 decade after decade. It shows just how much the narrative is controlled by Western* media and interests.

There is little talk on oil and gas as I mentioned in my last post. Why? It deserves more than just a passing glance. There are deep lobbies & vested Western* politicians {mainly American} behind this.

When we are well fed it is okay and sensible to talk about survival being more important than economic growth. I would ask all the delegates at the COP26 to live on one meal a day through out the summit. It will give them a reality check on how 2000 million of world's citizens cope. These are real issues. How many poverty stricken were present at COP26. Mind you I am as green as they come in my views but hunger triumphs all. Hunger is survival 1.01 all else follows far behind.

Lastly per capita emissions matter. It reflects how much or how little habit change is needed from that country's population to move the needle.

Just like with GATT and Intellectual Property rights, in earlier decades, the agenda is being driven by Western perspectives and interests. But still we must persevere on.

$100bn!!!!! I am still trying to put my mind around this teenie weenie nano penny tossed to the third world. That by the way is the size of the pet food industry in just USA. In 2020 Americans spent $843 billion on home gardening alone. Let that sink in to the journalists banding around this $100 bn. I hope brother Alok shed a tear here too.

USA, I fear is going to take the longest to adapt. India will meet its targets. As @ dragracer567 writes we do not have a fuel lobby and all our coal fired plants are owned by the Govt and in wind and solar we are moving ahead at a clipped pace. Climate change can become the one area where USA loses its lead as the world leader once and for all.

* While I use the word Western the West is not a monolithic unit. USA vs Sweden or New Zealand is as different as night and day. The G8 is probably a more correct use of phrase.

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The ranking for the Climate Change Performance Index 2022 is out and it is quite interesting.
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Carbon-neutral sometimes comprises a lot of greenwashing. And many of these politicians are paid big bucks by the oil companies. Based on the current scientific projections, we should be focusing on emission reduction, not some ineffective carbon-trading system. ​
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The COP26 is a scam. The West got rich by looting and killing in the colonies and now they are pointing fingers at former colonies for polluting. They got rich with dirty energy.
True, but the developing countries have to leapfrog in achieving their targets. India is not 20 years behind the US or EU in adopting technology like mobile telephony and the internet, so India can't afford to be laggards in the adoption of climate-friendly technology. But this comes at a significant cost, a portion of which should be footed by the developed countries who have become rich exploiting the third world.

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India is committed to cut consumption of coal, a primary pollutant, in power plants to half by 2030 and reduce its overall carbon footprint. News from yesterday's budget:

https://www.freepressjournal.in/busi...version-plants
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The next COP conference - COP28 is scheduled to be held in the UAE and some aspects of it are puzzling:

1) The president of COP28 - Sultan Al Jaber is the CEO of ADNOC which is the UAE's largest oil company.

2) According to the BBC, the UAE is planning to use the climate talks to make oil deals. The UAE has denied this though.
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The next COP conference - COP28 is scheduled to be held in the UAE and some aspects of it are puzzling:

1) The president of COP28 - Sultan Al Jaber is the CEO of ADNOC which is the UAE's largest oil company.

2) According to the BBC, the UAE is planning to use the climate talks to make oil deals. The UAE has denied this though.
Nothing puzzling if you are aware of the grift, flying around in private jets, instructing the plebs to boil stones for soup, while they polish off the finest steaks and wine. This accord had no meaning, China is going ahead with 60 coal power plants by mid 2024, if we meet these goals, expect you quality of life to be worse than that of your grandparent's generation

The goals include destroying agriculture, like in the Netherlands, we'll starve to make sure polar bears have lower risk with ice sheets.
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Nothing puzzling if you are aware of the grift, flying around in private jets, instructing the plebs to boil stones for soup, while they polish off the finest steaks and wine. This accord had no meaning, China is going ahead with 60 coal power plants by mid 2024, if we meet these goals, expect you quality of life to be worse than that of your grandparent's generation

The goals include destroying agriculture, like in the Netherlands, we'll starve to make sure polar bears have lower risk with ice sheets.
The footprint of the event is one thing but actively using the event to sell oil is downright comical. I mean, the Chinese didn’t announce they are going to built 60 coal power plants at a COP summit. Countries should atleast have the decency to swipe their hypocrisy under the carpet
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This accord had no meaning, China is going ahead with 60 coal power plants by mid 2024, if we meet these goals, expect you quality of life to be worse than that of your grandparent's generation
To play devils advocate here, while it's correct China is leading the way in the building of new coal thermal power plants (India is next on the rostrum btw), China is also by far and away growing their renewable sector at a world leading rate as well. Now the latter is likely a consequence of the size of their market and also the fact that their unitary system affords political drive behind these sorts of infrastructure projects, somewhat shielded from market factors (I'm referring to the headwinds faced by the offshore wind sector in Europe and USA for eg).

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The goals include destroying agriculture, like in the Netherlands, we'll starve to make sure polar bears have lower risk with ice sheets.
I can only speak for the geothermal sector but the Dutch farming industry is held up as an exemplar - I've no recollection of strife in the sector. I'm curious to know what you mean by agricultural destruction?

Also the issue has never been about insufficient food production - the constraints have always been about unequal consumption and waste. There's almost a power law distribution to food access/consumption as you move up the GDP ladder.

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The footprint of the event is one thing but actively using the event to sell oil is downright comical. I mean, the Chinese didn’t announce they are going to built 60 coal power plants at a COP summit. Countries should atleast have the decency to swipe their hypocrisy under the carpet
Frankly the leaders in the ME have pretty much in the post MBS era become a lot more brash about their true intentions (take the latter openly palming off the rightful sports-washing allegations). It's hardly unsurprising then that the UEA would use COP as an excuse to make deals in their bread and butter sectors. Everyone knew this was going to happen, previously it would've been a bit more discreet, but in a post Trump world, discretion is an out dated concept, especially when you can hide behind a variety of shields be it nationalism, equitable development, etc etc.

I think OPEC also called out the Intl. Energy Agency for their latest white paper too, with external reporting also revealing a push by OPEC to promote hydrocarbon use in Africa and the rest of the Global South. There's loads of amusing things in there like bankrolling the development of a low cost car to get citizens in these countries as users of petrochemical products.
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COP29 chief exec filmed promoting fossil fuel deals

The chief executive of Azerbaijan's COP29 team has been filmed using his role to discuss potential oil and gas deals. This is the second time in a row that the COP summit is not only hosted in a country with vested interests to prevent a transition to fossil fuels but the said country is explicitly using the publicity of the event to generate oil deals. It's normal for oil-rich countries to make oil deals, the world still needs oil in the short-term but using the sanctity of a forum like COP for generating further oil revenue is duplicitous at best and they should come up with better retorts than 'calling out western media and governments'.

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I mean it's hardly surprising is it? We saw it already with the Emiratis. I know from mates at ADNOC that when they hosted it, it was essentially viewed as a trade expo opportunity.

All we can do is call out the hypocrisy when we see it. Though it's unlikely to change much. Still, it shouldn't detract from the work that does go into COP and the people who go there to try and make a dent in fixing all the fires of the climate crisis. But you can't help but feel a bit disheartened if it becomes the norm for hydrocarbon nations to use it to wash their image somewhat but ostensibly bring deal makers to their shores to drum up business.

I suppose in a world where the winter Olympics can be awarded to Saudi Arabia or the women's world cup for that matter, how strange would it be for host nations to flog oil and gas at COP?

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