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9th September 2020, 21:01 | #16 |
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9th September 2020, 21:31 | #17 |
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| re: Almost got fined for not wearing a mask I was fined for the same (Rs. 500) at the Alka Talkies signal when I was travelling with my Wife and kids. I didn't argue because my wife wasn't wearing a mask. There was a lady on a Scooter travelling alone in front. She was also fined for the same. |
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9th September 2020, 23:26 | #18 |
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| re: Almost got fined for not wearing a mask I too had believed there's no logic in wearing a mask when we're driving solo with the windows rolled up, but I realised it's folly. Imagine this - we may stop to fuel and may have to roll down windows a bit to interact with the fuel attendant. If we weren't wearing mask inside the car all the while, it means that person may end up breathing the trapped exhaled air in our car which start to escape out as we roll down the windows. So there's rational in wearing a mask even if we're driving solo, whether it's a rule or not. In that sense, someone outside our car can be endangered too. |
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9th September 2020, 23:35 | #19 | |
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9th September 2020, 23:57 | #20 |
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| re: Almost got fined for not wearing a mask I was just trying to indicate the technicality of how another person outside the car can be at risk too when we don't wear masks as we drive solo. Yes Doc, I agree to all your points of the circumstances that can lead to exposure. Instead of refuelling scenario, let's consider if one drives the car without the mask and taking it to a car washing service or to the service centre. Wouldn't the attendant who enter your car to move it to the washing/service bay is at risk because the owner has been driving the car without a mask and may have sneezed , coughed or even talked loudly over phone and the aerosols may have settled on the steering wheel or any other part the other guy may end up touching. That's the premise I was trying to justify on the rational of wearing a mask even if we're driving solo. Last edited by Bibendum90949 : 10th September 2020 at 00:13. |
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10th September 2020, 01:02 | #21 | |||||||||
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If the policeman needs to be excused for doing his duty and fulfilling his quota requirement, maybe we should all stop complaining if our service advisor overcharges us for servicing or replaces parts which dont need replacing. Or when hospitals falsely scare unsuspecting patients into doing expensive tests when there was actually no need for doing so. After all they are just doing their duty and fulfilling their quotas. We should do our part and payup for all of these. I expect the policeman to do his job properly. I can go to any place today where there is a crowd, ex: a market and see scores of people not wearing a mask, I am pretty sure no cop will have a problem fulfilling their quotas for the day. Quote:
Well if the car is moving at a snails speed the seatbelt has to be worn. Its in the law and also common sense that even at the speed of 10km\hr, I can be injured if I meet with an accident. But if I have parked my car and the engine is switched off and I am sitting in the car waiting for someone, most probably I will remove my seatbelt and sit. Now If a cop comes by and asks me to pay a fine for not wearing a seatbelt because I am sitting in the car, then I will call it an absurdity and misuse of law. Quote:
Lets say I am sitting on the bike, engine switched off, just waiting for someone; the helmet is normally resting on the tank of the bike. If a cop were to fine me for that, then thats wrong. If the bike if moving with the engine ON, helmet has to be worn Quote:
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10th September 2020, 06:27 | #22 |
Team-BHP Support | Re: Almost got fined for not wearing a mask Rules are rules, dude, and they must always be in black & white when dealing with the public at large. You thought it's okay not to wear because there was no one around. Your neighbour might think it's cool to be mask-less because the nearest person is 50 feet away. Someone else might think it's okay not to wear a mask because he is in a group of 8, but they are all family and live together. While yet someone else just recovered from Covid and is hence not wearing a mask. Too much confusion. Better to have it solid = when you are out of the house, you have to wear a mask . |
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10th September 2020, 06:55 | #23 |
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| Re: Almost got fined for not wearing a mask My colleague who is a consultant neonatologist was warned by a policeman at a traffic signal for not wearing a mask. He was driving alone in his car on the way to the hospital. An argument followed, my colleague didn't relent and finally the policeman let him go. As for me, I wear a mask the moment I get out of my building gate. When I travel with my wife, I insist that she also should wear one or at least have it around her neck or chin like most politicians do. I know it doesn't make sense but I hate wasting time arguing with a policeman |
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10th September 2020, 08:13 | #24 | ||
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You see, laws should take into account the proven medical facts of VIABLE TRANSMISSION (not hypothetical) on this subject (& any other technical fact on any other subject) before being framed. Otherwise, this is similar to the British imposing archaic and draconian laws on us 100 years ago just to fill their treasury. And on the scientific basis - masks do not offer any additional protection when worn by people who do not have upper respiratory systems or an ILI. Advocated only if the above are present or if there is going to be CLOSE person to person interaction, without physical distancing (& not just exchanging a casual greeting for a minute). Physical distancing and hand hygiene are far superior preventive measures. Besides, a lay person who is otherwise unaccustomed to mask use and understanding of fomite transmission is at a risk of accidentally infecting himself while repeatedly touching his face while adjusting the mask, which otherwise would have not happened. For more reading , especially the last line : https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/...t-to-know-now/ Quote:
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10th September 2020, 08:42 | #25 |
BHPian | Re: Almost got fined for not wearing a mask About 10 years back, while in US, I was stopped by a police on an absolutely deserted street. He asked me if I knew why I was being stopped. I said I didn't know. He smiled and said that makes it even more dangerous and pointed me to a Stop Sign some distance behind me that I should have stopped at. What did I do then? I politely agreed to my mistake, he ticketed me ($158 and it pinched me very hard!) and we both went our ways. While in my mind I felt I was being wronged (there is no traffic around, that stop sign should not have been there etc. etc.), I knew rules are rules, I was clearly the one on the wrong side and arguing or negotiating with a cop who was doing his job was not teh right thing to do. Now imagine if the same was to happen in India? The same me would have tried to put up an argument in front of the cop, telling him there is nobody on the road, there is no need for a stop sign at that place, blah blah. The point I am trying to make is, many of us in India feel that we can interpret rules accordingly to our conveniences. That is wrong. If at all we feel we are being wronged and it needs to be contested, it has to be done at the court of law (almost all of these challans can be easily contested in courts) and not with the cop who is doing his job. And I am not defending all the cops, but in this case the cop seems to be doing the right thing. |
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10th September 2020, 08:50 | #26 | |
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That's the main idea behind wearing a mask when you are outside your home. Anyone can walk upto you/ past you or pass through the same place as you after 10 seconds and vice versa. It's not that they are asking you to go to war. Wearing a mask drastically brings down the chances of infection, thats a fact. So why not just do it for your's as well as other's safety. | |
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I sympathize with the OP, I certainly echo his sentiments. But IMHO, better to take a practical approach to these things when the reality of enforcement is what it is. Quote:
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10th September 2020, 09:08 | #28 | |
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What's most important for the others who touch your car is to wash their hands before touching their face. Conversely, with someone else touching the same surfaces of the car that you will touch later (as happens after interior cleaning), what will protect you more than your mask is washing your own hands, even if they HAVE WORN their mask. What's even surer than this? Avoid being into these situations knowingly.... aka distancing! Cleaning your own car is 100% safe - for you and for your cleaner! 😅 | |
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According to a Supreme Court ruling, A car driven on a public road can be considered as a public place. That's why it is necessary to wear mask as the current law state you've to wear mask in the public place. The Police is well within right to fine you, if you are not wearing the mask in public places. Reasoning, we are travelling with family(same house) is not practical, how can cops verify this claim? Supreme Court Ruling :: Link Last edited by Vasuki : 10th September 2020 at 11:56. | |||
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| Re: Almost got fined for not wearing a mask Just to be clear in the starting of this post, this is coming from someone who is on the other side of the law (implementation side). As per my understanding, law has to be implemented in the context of the situations. Law is not black and white as per my opinion. I had Law as optional subject during my exam preparation. Still I am no expert in law matters and I would leave it to law practicing BHPians to correct me if my understanding is wrong. Indian law is based on some simple principles of natural justice, one of them being “Let a hundred guilty be acquitted, but one innocent should not be convicted”. Further in many Acts, you may find the use of a word ‘proper officer’. The word proper officer has been used by lawmakers so that the officer filing chargesheet or framing charges, has proper training and professional competence to scrutinise and peruse the facts of the matter on its merits, not on the whims or feeling of suspicion of the officer. The officer should have reasonable doubt and suspicion about the law being broken before he can start taking action and levying fine, etc. In OP’s case, he was in possession of a mask to be wore in case he encountered public activity. It is anyone’s guess how the Police Inspector found OP to be a citizen at risk of spreading pandemic in the society. I would like you all to think along the lines of whether the Police Inspector in OP’s case is a proper officer to frame charges or levy fine. The last I checked Police were not given training for functioning as an epidemiologist, virologist or fluid dynamics professional who could opine on the viral load spreading activities of the general public. There are many questions that can arise from these circumstances:-
There can be many arguments and counter arguments like this. And I know from the detail oriented nature of the BHPians that they would certainly be able to punch many holes in my line of thought. However I request my fellow learned members to get into the underlying cause of the whole matter. The issue lies with the state and its implementing arm stepping into the civil rights of the citizens. Every citizen has been granted The Right to Live with dignity by the Constitution of India. The state has no power to behave with OP like a criminal when he has not done any wrong. Such high handedness should certainly be discouraged by an informative forum like ours. This is one of the hare brained or knee jerk reactions of the Government like the use of the Aarogya Setu App. I wonder where all the data analytics and whole shebang of identifying hotspots before they emerge has vanished now. The Government in case of Aarogya Setu knew that it could not make it mandatory for the citizens as India is a democracy, not one party government like our dragon neighbours. The other main issue is that the Government is as clueless as us regarding the steps to be taken. During elections, they were not asked what action would they take in case of a pandemic spreading like wildfire in India. I would like to cite a simple example of Goa. Goa was being called the state which has defeated the pandemic in its tracks and heaps of praises were being sung about the tenacity and preparedness of the administration in the battle against corona virus. Goa had one of the most serious lockdowns of any state in India. Till August 31st, Goa did not allow any outsider to enter Goa without being home quarantined for 14 days or taking a RT-PCR Test for Rs. 2000. Tourists and any other visitors, even taxi drivers to drop passengers were not being allowed to enter Goa. In the first week of September, GST revenue figures for the month of August 2020 of all states in India were out. The GST Revenue of Goa declined the most in all of the states i.e. by a whopping 34%. Suddenly the Government changed their narrative and now all and sundry without any restrictions are allowed to enter Goa. Goa Government is actively calling the tourists to visit the state now. The tourists are probably not coming for a long time due to antics of the Government from past many years. Tourism has been on a wane in Goa from the past 2 or 3 years due to circumstances which need discussion in its separate thread. I always say that India is a vibrant democracy and we get the Government we deserve. |
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