[drmohitg]

Originally Posted by GTO

Please don't take my post as "India bashing". Am extremely patriotic & a big fan of the government. But I'm not blind.

But the point you made is quite interesting. And I would not say the thought hasn't crossed my mind. I am sure in the future we might have answers as to why the virus has not been such a menace in India as it has been in the rest of the world. Patriotism has nothing to do with it. It is simple common sense that even with the best of our efforts, simply due to our population density and a complete lack of hygiene, corona should have spread like wildfire. There has to be some other reason behind it for not spreading here. My guess would be the climate perhaps or may be we have some level of inherent immunity due to multiple episodes of other infectious diseases that are prevalent here. Only time will tell.

Medical science is a wonder. For instance Malaria doesn't affect patients carrying the sickle cell disease. We may learn of something similar in the future.

Meanwhile I pray that it indeed stays like this and fizzles out.

[amit1agrawal]

Originally Posted by V.Narayan

The usual India sucks, India bashing going on here. What more would you like GoI to be doing - please list it. Easy to sit and crib. Harder to come up with practical cogent suggestions. For all the cribbing India has reacted much faster and taken a lot more active steps than USA or most European countries.

Yes there could be thousands of infected people in India who don't know they are infected and who will recover in the normal course. Exactly the same is the case in Italy or the UK or even USA - where also their Govt does not have and cannot have a handle on each and every case.

I work in the community health care space. Come in contact with a lot of patients from the poorer sections of society. I use a mask when needed, wash my hands regularly, do salt water gargle twice a day and get on with my life.

You just stole my words . Opened this forum after few days and realized that government bashing is going on as usual. Where as I am learning via social media lot of praise from people who travelled back to India recently on how govt authorities have been very proactive following up with them after few days to make sure they are all fine. It's also responsibility of us as citizens to cooperative with govt. Heard few cases where people have gone underground or like that lady who travelled to agra throwing all cautions. Karnataka govt prepared a detailed flow chart of activities of all infected persons after they landed and till they got admitted and released it for publi. They asked people to check if they had been to those public places. What else is govt supposed to do?

[harsha.muvva]

Being personally involved in both public as well as private hospitals since last 10 years I can say with 100% confidence that it is impossible to test each and every 'exposed' individual in our country till the time rapid test kits are available in each and every major public hospital. There is an algorithm to decide whether or not a person needs test and as of today that is being followed at the hospitals where testing facilities are available.

Govt of India has done whatever it can do and need to done. Like someone has already mentioned before it is the community spread like how it is happening in USA, italy..etc which is more dangerous.I sincerely hope that the spread will be contained to cities. The moment virus finds it way to districts and tier 2 cities, the situation will explode and frankly there won't be anything we can do apart from waiting for it to pass through and in the process claiming lives. Majority of the people who contract virus will be completely asymptomatic (carriers), hence self quarantine and lockdown is the only way to contain it.

Meanwhile I wish government establish more number of isolation wards & provide more equipment (ventilators, medications..etc) in all the public hospitals and rope in the private sector too (PPP mode). The burden on the healthcare system and economy is going to be massive.

[hondafanboy]

Originally Posted by amit1agrawal

You just stole my words . Opened this forum after few days and realized that government bashing is going on as usual. Where as I am learning via social media lot of praise from people who travelled back to India recently on how govt authorities have been very proactive following up with them after few days to make sure they are all fine. It's also responsibility of us as citizens to cooperative with govt. Heard few cases where people have gone underground or like that lady who travelled to agra throwing all cautions. Karnataka govt prepared a detailed flow chart of activities of all infected persons after they landed and till they got admitted and released it for publi. They asked people to check if they had been to those public places. What else is govt supposed to do?

I agree. Given the circumstances and challenges that no other country faces , our central and state governments are doing everything that needs to be done. of course there will be gaps but individuals have to play a major role . I have a strong feeling that once this is over, India will come out as more responsible , capable and mature nation. And the lessons learned from this episode will be valuable for our next generations.

[SilentEngine]

Originally Posted by SmartCat

It's not looking good. The daily death count is soaring. Additions are primarily from Italy and Iran, but other European countries are adding to the number too. 20% of EU's population is above 65 years of age.

Originally Posted by groom

Looking at all these charts...

As a result overall death rate has gone up to 7% compared to 6% level earlier.

Couple of important indicators:
Deaths vs recovered ratio- In spite of high number of cases China managed to keep deaths lower compared to recoveries. European countries and US are finding it hard at the moment.

Active cases vs Serious/Critical - This is what will determine the kind of stress the healthcare systems will be put under. Beyond a certain threshold (which is different for each country), healthcare systems cannot simply scale. There's only a finite number of beds/isolation words/doctors/nurses etc.



Question:
Is there any clear information on the chances of someone getting re-infected again after a successful recovery?

[speedmiester]

I travelled to Mysore yesterday and my native village.
All I can say is GOI is doing the best job it could in light of the situation. Every one I spoke to are aware of the Virus and are also aware of how to keep themselves safe.
This includes both educated and uneducated people.

It is our duty as responsible citizens to inform and educate our fellow citizens on how to protect themselves. In our apartment complex, we have provided hand sanitizer and masks to all support staff and masks. They are also educated on the dos and don'ts to protect themselves and their families.

In the end, this is not the time for blame games. It is up to all of us to take actions to avoid the infection.

[AltoLXI]

Originally Posted by hondafanboy

I have a strong feeling that once this is over, India will come out as more responsible , capable and mature nation. And the lessons learned from this episode will be valuable for our next generations.

A bit optimistic statement.

Today went to DMart. The staff were checking the temperature of people who were entering their premises and allowing only one member from a family to do the shopping. People though were not happy and rejoined the queue so that all the family members could enter inside. The staff later announced that the store will be closed in an hour.

These are the people who set wrong examples to next generations. The unfortunate thing is the very generation that ought to teach the next generation to be responsible,

a. Are not aware of the responsibilities themselves.
b. Even if aware, exhibit a "do not care" attitude.

Whereas people in category a can be taught, people in category b are hopeless cases. These b category people are the ones that need to force quarantined like in China.

[AZT]

Originally Posted by GTO

l But I'm not blind. My post is constructive criticism based on first-hand information I am receiving from doctors at Hinduja Hospital & Breach Candy hospital.

Anyway, let's chill and NOT make this a government thread. Please focus on coronavirus ONLY.

Thanks for the support & understanding

Agree on this. The Iran news is being overblown, we did what every major country in the world would do i.e. evacuate our citizens. This being used as govt propaganda at a time like this is sad.

Came across a scary statistic about Italy and Korea, let’s hope we can nip this in the bud before it gets worse.

[mvadg]

Originally Posted by V.Narayan

The usual India sucks, India bashing going on here. What more would you like GoI to be doing - please list it. Easy to sit and crib. Harder to come up with practical cogent suggestions. For all the cribbing India has reacted much faster and taken a lot more active steps than USA or most European countries.

One essential lesson from the transformation of Covid19 virus to the Covid19 Pandemic is that suppressing the truth to save the imagined honor of your tribe can have devastating consequences

I, for one, would like to know the real situation at all times.

[nakul0888]

A question I want to ask here is, what is the scale of supply of ICUs, beds, test kits, available here in India to deal with coronavirus? I have read that currently its only the government run hospitals and labs that are authorized to handle covid 19 cases? Is this true? If so what exactly is the rationale behind this? If I get symptoms today, am I able to call up a good private hospital, get myself tested quickly and get the required care? Or do I have to be admitted in a state run hospital? Can any docs here give clarification?

[volkman10]

Coronavirus update: UK national tests positive.

UK national belongs to a group of 19 holidaying in the hill resort town of Munnar in Kerala and was under surveillance.

The passenger joined the group to reach the Kochi airport without informing authorities in Munnar.

When the test result came, the authorities came to know that he was at the Kochi airport and travelling by an Emirates flight. Firstly, it was decided to offload all 19 passengers of his group, he said.

"Now, it is decided to offload the remaining 270 passengers also and send them to hospital for further investigation

103 confirmed coronavirus cases in India

Link

[BoneCollector]

Originally Posted by SilentEngine

Question:
Is there any clear information on the chances of someone getting re-infected again after a successful recovery?

Well, Japan has reported a case of reinfection and if that's the case, it's actually scary.

Japan Case

[Sankar]

UK man tests positive for coronavirus, 289 passengers off-loaded from Dubai flight at Kochi airport...

Read more at: https://english.manoramaonline.com/n...ai-flight.html

• 289 passengers onboard Dubai-bound flight deplaned
• The UK tourist reached Nedumbassery airport from a Munnar resort
• KTDC's Tea County resort in Munnar shut down
• UK citizen, wife shifted to hospital
• 17 tourists who accompanied them put under quarantine
• Emirates flight leaves for Dubai with 269 passengers

The dude alongwith his wife was put under isolation and observation, his sample was sent for testing. By the time the result came he had left Munnar for Kochi with his tour group and boarded flight to Dubai. Unfortunately for him and everyone else the result came positive but fortunately authorities tracked him down and all passengers had to deplane. What an idiot.

[SilentEngine]

Originally Posted by nakul0888

If I get symptoms today, am I able to call up a good private hospital, get myself tested quickly and get the required care? Or do I have to be admitted in a state run hospital? Can any docs here give clarification?

I am not a doc, but this is what I understand: you can't just walk in to a hospital to get tested for COVID-19. Testing is based on travel history and possible interaction with other positive cases. Few days back one person who came from Netherlands, went to state hospital to get checked, but was sent back because Netherlands was not in the list of countries. Things may have changed since then.

https://twitter.com/maheshmurthy/sta...131155457?s=21

If you do get symptoms, best thing would be to call the helpline and do as advised.

[nandadevieast]

Doctors who are attached to public hospitals will know whether Pneumonia cases are suddenly mounting up in the hospitals. If the answer is yes, then community transmission is taking places. If no, then no reasons to worry.

Without testing, community transmission will not be found out till the very last leg when they check the samples of multiple Pneumonia patients.

Again, they are testing a very small sample size of people with travel history from certain countries. Today if you arrive in India from the US and have the symptoms, they will still not test you. Similarly, people with Flu-like symptoms but no travel history will not be tested either. There are many places in Europe where it is going south, someone said Holland, but that may not be in the advisory for testing protocol.

What you report in terms of numbers is within what you test. What you don’t test goes undetected and infects others.

Only God knows at what point they will start testing all symptomatic patients with or without travel history. They will never perhaps, and at some point, it will not be deemed necessary because many/most will have been infected.

This is better than Iran. This is like the US or UK or Germany. But these 3 could have tested but still didn’t. So India is not alone in this. And perhaps looking at the population and means, it is just the way things are here. So yes we shouldn’t blame.

I just hope I am wrong and my country actually has a plan.