[proton]

Originally Posted by DigitalOne

First, Covid 19 is already a treatable disease. Worldwide around 150,000 people are recovering per day on an average of Covid. And that number is just going up and up. So don't expect any big headlines for events that have already happened .

We are talking about cures. As for treatment, the scene isn't too optimistic either:

https://techenclave.com/community/th...9/post-2201145

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Well, when we ventilate patients, we are accused of being using mechanical ventilation too early. When we wait, and the patient dies, it is complete lack of critical care. I agree, in some cases in India, there is lack of critical care, BUT many patients in Europe/US actually died with best possible critical care set ups. I personally put a young patient through ECMO for 12 days. We were supporting everything ( ventilation/dialysis/ vasopressors/ECMO) yet he died of a massive posterior circulation stroke ( I do not know of any critical care facility which can take care of ponto-medullary functions from outside)
People are dying because we do not have a cure for this virus.
Let me tell you one thing ( uncle Google won`t be able to tell you this) Critical Care medicine is basically extremely glorified symptomatic management ( other than bacterial sepsis few cardiac emergencies, very few neurological emergencies)

[DCEite]

The horse opens its mouth once again

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world...hxcDJRCBM.html

[Thad E Ginathom]

Originally Posted by PearlJam

A ton of questions come to mind:

Well, it wasn't a source paper in a scientific journal. Any or all of your points may well be valid, but...

"Intentionally alarmist" is what my brain immediately flagged this article as.

I think not. It is the closest to "trusted" as any media news source has been for me for the past forty or fifty years. What to do? Don't blindly trust, indeed, I absolutely agree, and nothing, no source, is entirely perfect or free of bias, however hard they try. Just, this source is high on my scale.

Originally Posted by DigitalOne

First, Covid 19 is already a treatable disease. ...

You might say I'm quibbling, perhaps I am, but no, it is not treatable. Not treatable in the sense of curable.

No, that doesn't mean we're all going to die. The common cold is not curable either; lots of things aren't. It is treatable in that the patient can be supported in so far as possible to support their recovery. If they need it. Many don't.

[diyguy]

Here is a twist to the tale dated 16th March 2020.

Event 201 Unfolds: Covid-19 Action Platform = Global Government

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...bal-government

[AZT]

We need more research on this

Antibody immunity to covid-19 may be short-lived: Study

Patients who recover from the novel coronavirus may have an antibody response that makes them immune to the deadly virus only for a few months, a new study in the UK has found. A paper titled ‘Longitudinal evaluation and decline of antibody responses in SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) infection’, by King’s College London researchers, analysed the immune response of more than 90 patients and healthcare workers at Guy’s and St Thomas’ NHS Foundation Trust, the London hospital which had treated Prime Minister Boris Johnson after he tested positive for coronavirus in March.
Research, led by Dr Katie Doores of King’s College London, found levels of antibodies that can destroy the virus peaked about three weeks after the onset of symptoms then started declining.

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“Infection tends to give you the best-case scenario for an antibody response, so if your infection is giving you antibody levels that wane in two to three months, the vaccine will potentially do the same thing. People may need boosting and one shot might not be sufficient," she explains.
The study is the first “longitudinal" research to have monitored antibody levels in patients and hospital workers for three months after symptoms emerged. The scientists drew on test results from 65 patients and six healthcare workers who tested positive for the virus, and a further 31 staff who volunteered to have regular antibody tests between March and June.

Read More: https://www.livemint.com/science/hea...701126239.html

[PearlJam]

Originally Posted by vivek95

Honourable Amitabh Bachchan tests positive for Covid-19 today. He himself has tweeted on his twitter account about this. Admitted at Nanavati hospital, Juhu Mumbai.

His tweet asks everybody in "close proximity" to him to get tested. Why were these people in close contact with him in the first place? If it was close friends and family, it wouldn't have needed a public tweet. Was he meeting all and sundry in that case? Anyway:

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com...w/76965306.cms

It is sad that the poor have to wait for ambulances, hop and jump multiple hospitals to even find a bed, wait for days to get tested and get the results. In the Bachhan case, things moved smoother than a knife cutting through butter.

[DigitalOne]

This video, dated 1-July-2020 (two weeks back), is so scary !

https://youtu.be/IZ9eP4HVmb4

[SideView]

Originally Posted by DigitalOne

This video, dated 1-July-2020 (two weeks back)

This is what you call educated idiots. If people like this do all such things, how can we expect our poor people with lack of information to do any better.

This is only going to encourage more such activities and inturn more cases.

[DCEite]

Originally Posted by DigitalOne

This video, dated 1-July-2020 (two weeks back), is so scary !

While i no way support such gatherings at the time of a pandemic, we must understand that the basic human nature is to socialize. You can keep people locked up in home but sooner or later they will try to break free. We have seen it in our own country, in the US, UK and all over the world. It has nothing to do with lack of education or otherwise.

If Covid doesn't kill someone, loneliness, depression and anxiety will, if all remain locked up.

Originally Posted by SideView

This is what you call educated idiots. If people like this do all such things, how can we expect our poor people with lack of information to do any better.

This is only going to encourage more such activities and inturn more cases.

There is no relation to education here. Just because they are westerners lets not assume they are more "educated" then us. Infact, it might just be very opposite.

[DigitalOne]

Originally Posted by DigitalOne

This video, dated 1-July-2020 (two weeks back), is so scary !

Let's dig a little deep further. Czech Republic has a population of 10.7 million and below is their daily death count from Covid 19 (source).



Those tiny bars that you see are 1-2 deaths on some days, and zero deaths on most days.

So please ponder:
1. Is Covid as 'deadly' as it is being made out to be?

2. Have Europeans - having faced the brunt in March, April, and May - realized that it is a treatable, and manageable pandemic, and started to live life as it should be?

3. Is it really necessary to be so scared?

[roy_libran]

Originally Posted by DigitalOne

So please ponder:
1. Is Covid as 'deadly' as it is being made out to be?

2. Have Europeans - having faced the brunt in March, April, and May - realized that it is a treatable, and manageable pandemic?

3. Is it really necessary to be so scared?

All good questions to reflect upon, now that our collective understanding of the disease and it's consequences have moved forward since Jan-Feb.
My take -

1. Is Covid as 'deadly' as it is being made out to be?

It seems it is quite a dangerous virus if the viral load that one is exposed to is high, and the contact time is substantial. This can lead to severe complications, often fatal, in even otherwise healthy individuals with no co-morbid factors. But, for almost all others it seems that people can withstand a light infection with minimal to some intervention. It is still quite contagious.

2. Have Europeans - having faced the brunt in March, April, and May - realized that it is a treatable, and manageable pandemic?

I think yes. Moreover, they are being more pragmatic of the total impact of the virus in terms of economy and livelihoods, and are trying to get back to a rhythm, virus or not.

3. Is it really necessary to be so scared?

Scared - no. But it is good to be cautious, particularly to avoid high viral load exposure over an extended period of time.

What do others think?

[am1m]

Originally Posted by DigitalOne

2. Have Europeans - having faced the brunt in March, April, and May - realized that it is a treatable, and manageable pandemic, and started to live life as it should be?

Or did the Czech Republic just manage their outbreak well? Of course, granted they didn't have too many infections to start with and they have a very small population. Some news reports suggest that they did that by insisting on mask usage very early and the reduced cases today is a result of that early measure. ("The Czech Republic and Slovakia were the first European countries to make wearing masks mandatory in supermarkets, pharmacies, and on public transport on March 18 and 25 respectively." https://www.euronews.com/2020/07/14/...divided-europe)

But let's see, like we've seen in the case of NZ, it may be too early to tell.

(With the caveat of course that any remotely positive conclusions drawn will of course be because of a conspiracy by the 'educated liberals'! Wonder why EVERY discussion these days seems to go down the same old politically polarizing lines. Really sad.)

[SideView]

Originally Posted by DCEite

There is no relation to education here. Just because they are westerners lets not assume they are more "educated" then us. Infact, it might just be very opposite.

OT:
This video depicts a first world country, so surely authorities would have agreed for something in such a big scale. (And people been more informed in general)

My whole point was if such people allowed to do it,doesnt it set a wrong precedent. Imagine if we had done it?

[ABHI_1512]

Originally Posted by DigitalOne

This video, dated 1-July-2020 (two weeks back), is so scary !

In these desperate times, its all the more imperative that our trust in humanity is not belittled by a humble virus. Just realised over the last few months and I strongly believe that relationships are more important than just fear !

Human race has survived the dreaded Spanish flu and it will survive this virus as well. But all that will remain after the end of it all is human empathy and relations.

Regards.

[Thad E Ginathom]

This thread has become a selective-news-pic/generalisation festival. The desire to be optimistic is not only understood, it is appreciated. Optimism with blinkers, not so much.

Can you imagine what would happen if someone posted here,

The dangers of driving on the wrong side of the road around a blind corner are exaggerated. Almost certainly nothing will happen to you, and if it does, it probably won't be too bad. Not everybody dies

Consider that very carefully. Actually, it is largely true, right? Nothing will happen. And it doesn't; until the day it does. When it may very well not be fatal, but is hardly likely to be pleasant.