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Originally Posted by bhp1 "Optra is the best midsizer in roads", I think you are highly mistaken. Where would you put Altis & Civic then? |
In a higher category. I am talking about C-segment cars that are one category (or sub-category) BELOW cars like the Civic and Corolla. That much should have been obvious to you considering we are primarily talking about the City v/s the Optra. Please try and stay on track.
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Originally Posted by bhp1 Also kindly have a look at the sales figures, Optra sells peanuts in front of City! |
That is hardly proof that the City is a better car. Indians have always been infatuated with Hondas... this is one of the only countries in the world where a Honda is seen as a status symbol, and this is something which will ALWAYS inflate Honda sales figures.
Your point is completely baseless. The Esteem has historically outsold the Astra probably 20-1. If you claim that the Esteem was a better car than the Opel Astra, you know absolutely nothing about cars.
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Originally Posted by bhp1 1) It is good to opt for newer tech., otherwise people would be sitting on Amby's & Padmini's still! Honda is offering cutting edge iVtec on City, can you find faults with that. Apart from that have a look at its styling & design, don't you think it has taken the game to the next level, most think like this , even the auto. mags. Only if you could do more reading! |
If only you could use more common sense. We are talking about the "LATEST" technology, not technology thats fifty years old from Ambys and Padminis. And the LATEST tech is often problematic. Passats and Lauras have tech in them that would make your City look ancient. And yet, they're riddled electronic issues, DSG issues, mechanical issues, etc.
Also, please tell me what your so called "cutting edge" tech on the iVTEC is good for. More performance? Sorry... the Optra Magnum has you beat there. More Fuel economy? Sorry, the Optra has you beat there as well. The Common-rail diesel tech on the Optra Magnum is the foremost diesel technology in the world today. The best diesel cars in the world (Mercs, Beemers, Audis) all use CRDI tech.
And if only you knew that styling is subjective. To prove my point... please look at the outgoing City. One of the ugliest cars to grace Indian roads, yet one of the most-selling.
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Originally Posted by bhp1 2) Heavy built is not the only thing to look in while buying a car, do you know the roots of Optra, they can be traced to Daewoo, maybe good thing in your view! Optra had been beaten to the ground by the previous City itself, we are talking about a new one here! Maybe now you can see the diff. in successive genarations & not compare to Skoda's! |
Where in my last post did I talk about weight? I talked about build quality. Yes, the "design" for the Optra was a Daewoo design, but the car is ground-up a GM product through and through. And if you find the design to be at fault, did you know it was styled by PININFARINA? Do you even know who Pininfarina is??? Learn some facts before you talk.
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Originally Posted by bhp1 3) For reliability & Maintenance, please refer to various surveys by groups like JD tec., Honda has GM beat over there! We are not going by your small control group ! |
This is not a "small control group". This is a forum of (mostly) knowledgeable people who share a like-minded passion for all things automotive. That automatically makes them more qualified (in most cases) to comment on something that some clueless respondent in a JD Power survey. There seem to be one or two clueless people on this forum, though.
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Originally Posted by bhp1 4) GM cars by far have the worst resale in India, be it in 5 years or immediately after delivery! |
Again, so? Does that make them poor cars???
The Ford Ikon has crappy resale value. Does that make it a bad car?
So does the Lancer. Is
that a bad car?
The indica has always had better resale value than the Palio. Does that make it a better can than the Palio???
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Originally Posted by bhp1 Laugh if you want to but all I can say is your mind is prejudiced! Also, a very important point worth considering is that Optra's new gen. has already been launched/displayed abroad & is expected to come to India by mid of next year, so this gen. Optra does'nt stand a chance against the New City. |
MY mind is prejudiced??? You refuse to acknowledge any logical argument in your posts. The OP said he wanted a car NOW. He's not going to wait for 6 months for the new Optra to come out.
Please use some common sense and logic when you post.