Best Diesel engine in India

h.k · 15th August 2006, 16:53

Dear Team-Bhp Members

I would like to know which is the best diesel engine among mid segment cars as well as muv in india.

cars to compare would be

Accent CRDI
Mahindra Scorpio
Skoda
Elantra
Toyota innova

though there may be clash in terms of car segment like accent crdi and toyota innova and cannot be compared i am asking about the engine aspect only,

in terms of
speed,
power,
throtle response,
reliability of engine,
gear ****,
eaze of driving,
mileage
overall performence etc.

please make is as elaborated as possible if you can i would like to get an indepth analysis, in this subject.

thanks

Hisham Kabir

Sahil · 15th August 2006, 17:09

Skoda's TDi engine is far superior than any of the other rivals you mentioned.

DCEite · 15th August 2006, 17:09

There is nothing you can call "best" out of the choices you have given. Each one has its own pros and cons. For eg. Accent CRDI is coarse, but is fun to drive and has good acceleration. Scorpio engine, is quite good, but the car itself has problems concerning dynamics and stability. Skoda TDi is a good engine too, its not common rail unlike others in the list, but has a good throttle response and immense torque.
The most modern though is the third generation Common rail engine with piezoelectric injectors found in new Fiesta TDCi. You havnt mentioned that engine in your choices.

GTO · 15th August 2006, 20:51

Accent CRDI : Highly unrefined three-pot. Old-gen but very fast and FE.
Mahindra Scorpio : Still to be proven. I hear Mahindra has yet to sort them out.
Skoda : Workhorse. Proven. The only non-CRDi here but does the job well.
Elantra : A stonker. The elantras real strength.
Toyota innova : Very refined. Adequate power.
Ford Fiesta : Again very refined. But runs out of breath fast.
Merc 220 / 280 : Live bombs!

lamborghini · 16th August 2006, 00:19

GTO,
What aboutthe E270 CDi?
E280 is the best but is really expensive.
In the lower segment, i would put my money on the Fiesta TDCi.
The most refined diesel ever in the market upto 30L.

aZa · 16th August 2006, 00:54

hey what bout the PUMP DUSE in LAURA ? ACI was going gaga over the PD tech.

hawkeye · 16th August 2006, 00:58

My vote goes for the Elantra. It simply rocks and is the best bet for less than 10 lacs.

kpzen · 16th August 2006, 00:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTO

Accent CRDI : Highly unrefined three-pot. Old-gen but very fast and FE.
Mahindra Scorpio : Still to be proven. I hear Mahindra has yet to sort them out.
Skoda : Workhorse. Proven. The only non-CRDi here but does the job well.
Elantra : A stonker. The elantras real strength.
Toyota innova : Very refined. Adequate power.
Ford Fiesta : Again very refined. But runs out of breath fast.
Merc 220 / 280 : Live bombs!

Wow..!! Couldn't have put in a better way...

KP

Sahil · 16th August 2006, 04:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by lamborghini

GTO,
What aboutthe E270 CDi?
E280 is the best but is really expensive.
.

The E280CDi just replaced the E270CDi, there is no significant price difference between the two.

himanshugoswami · 16th August 2006, 10:32

what about the 2.5 V6 TDi of the Superb! That engine ROCKS man!

swiftdiesel · 19th February 2013, 11:46

I grade diesel engines in terms of reliability (harsh Indian conditions, abuse) and technical excellence without being pricey and applicable to the mass market (that discounts Merc, BMW and Audi). Going by those parameters, I reckon nearly all of the diesels available in India are good enough, but if I have to pick my personal favourites, then here they are:

Obviously, the Fiat 1.3 Multijet ranks 1st in my chart. An engine that never ceases to amaze me! True statement!

Toyota 2.5 D-4D and the 3.0 D-4D rank 2nd for reliability and power.

I can live with a bit of lag in the city but I cannot forgive an engine running out of breath on the highway and that's why I've discounted all SOHC engines (TDCi, dCi) as they aren't free revving (read excellent cruising ability) as the DOHC engines.

I know someone will challenge my statement asking if I've driven an SOHC engine. Yes, I have. Again, it's my cousin's Nissan Micra and I found it lag free in the city but running breathless on the highway.

drsingh · 19th February 2013, 12:31

Its more than once I've heard piezoelectric injectors as a special feature.

Don't all modern common rail systems use piezoelectric injectors now?

Someone with technical knowhow kindly enlighten me!

msaudf · 19th February 2013, 12:50

MERCEDEZ BENZ OM615, OM616, OM617. These engines are reliable, fuel efficient, and so durable they outlast the car itself. On top of all that they are very cheap to maintain. there are no complicated sensors and electronics that require experts with laptops for a diagnosis.These are simple, heavy duty, durable and efficient engines.

Edit:I guess i should have read the first post before posting, I thought we were discussing just engines. sorry mates

swiftdiesel · 19th February 2013, 13:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by drsingh

Its more than once I've heard piezoelectric injectors as a special feature.

Don't all modern common rail systems use piezoelectric injectors now?

Someone with technical knowhow kindly enlighten me!

Yes, you're absolutely right! All common rail diesel engines come with piezoelectric injectors. It's no more a "special feature" as far as diesel engines are concerned.

drsingh · 20th February 2013, 14:00

The OP is considering mid segment diesels.maybe to help make a buying decision.

IMHO all modern diesel engines are reliable and are tuned for a particular application.

The fiat multijet - proven beyond doubt.also has 1.5 lakh km warranty /5 years in case of Chevrolet sail.

The Renault k9k - proven by Logan taxis

Toyota diesels proven d4d tech with 1 lakh km/3 year warranty.

Tata diesels- unrefined but proven by commercial and taxi use.

Hyundai diesels - except the original accent crdi hiccups , proven technology

VW/Skoda - proven international technology.

Mahindra- proven crde technology, multitude of Scorpios with 1.5 lakh on the odo.

All the engines do the job well for their intended purpose i e hatch,sedan or high torque SUV.

I don't think the engine alone is a major deal breaker in the choice of vehicles in the market.

Its all a compromise between cost,speed,overall reliability.

15th August 2006, 16:53	#1
h.k BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Kochi Posts: 43 Thanked: 5 Times	Best Diesel engine in India Dear Team-Bhp Members I would like to know which is the best diesel engine among mid segment cars as well as muv in india. cars to compare would be Accent CRDI Mahindra Scorpio Skoda Elantra Toyota innova though there may be clash in terms of car segment like accent crdi and toyota innova and cannot be compared i am asking about the engine aspect only, in terms of speed, power, throtle response, reliability of engine, gear ****, eaze of driving, mileage overall performence etc. please make is as elaborated as possible if you can i would like to get an indepth analysis, in this subject. thanks Hisham Kabir
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15th August 2006, 17:09	#2
Sahil Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 6,338 Thanked: 7,891 Times	Skoda's TDi engine is far superior than any of the other rivals you mentioned.
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15th August 2006, 17:09	#3
DCEite Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: NCR Posts: 3,562 Thanked: 3,346 Times	There is nothing you can call "best" out of the choices you have given. Each one has its own pros and cons. For eg. Accent CRDI is coarse, but is fun to drive and has good acceleration. Scorpio engine, is quite good, but the car itself has problems concerning dynamics and stability. Skoda TDi is a good engine too, its not common rail unlike others in the list, but has a good throttle response and immense torque. The most modern though is the third generation Common rail engine with piezoelectric injectors found in new Fiesta TDCi. You havnt mentioned that engine in your choices.
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15th August 2006, 20:51	#4
GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 72,348 Thanked: 316,090 Times View My Garage	Accent CRDI : Highly unrefined three-pot. Old-gen but very fast and FE. Mahindra Scorpio : Still to be proven. I hear Mahindra has yet to sort them out. Skoda : Workhorse. Proven. The only non-CRDi here but does the job well. Elantra : A stonker. The elantras real strength. Toyota innova : Very refined. Adequate power. Ford Fiesta : Again very refined. But runs out of breath fast. Merc 220 / 280 : Live bombs!
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16th August 2006, 00:19	#5
lamborghini Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 6,154 Thanked: 5,900 Times View My Garage	GTO, What aboutthe E270 CDi? E280 is the best but is really expensive. In the lower segment, i would put my money on the Fiesta TDCi. The most refined diesel ever in the market upto 30L.
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16th August 2006, 00:54	#6
aZa Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Noida / Delhi Posts: 1,595 Thanked: 25 Times View My Garage	hey what bout the PUMP DUSE in LAURA ? ACI was going gaga over the PD tech.
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16th August 2006, 00:58	#7
hawkeye BHPian Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 190 Thanked: 12 Times View My Garage	My vote goes for the Elantra. It simply rocks and is the best bet for less than 10 lacs.
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16th August 2006, 10:32	#10
himanshugoswami Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: !!!! Posts: 2,323 Thanked: 2,684 Times	what about the 2.5 V6 TDi of the Superb! That engine ROCKS man!
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19th February 2013, 11:46	#11
swiftdiesel Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: na Posts: 1,016 Thanked: 1,367 Times	Re: Best Diesel engine in India I grade diesel engines in terms of reliability (harsh Indian conditions, abuse) and technical excellence without being pricey and applicable to the mass market (that discounts Merc, BMW and Audi). Going by those parameters, I reckon nearly all of the diesels available in India are good enough, but if I have to pick my personal favourites, then here they are: Obviously, the Fiat 1.3 Multijet ranks 1st in my chart. An engine that never ceases to amaze me! True statement! Toyota 2.5 D-4D and the 3.0 D-4D rank 2nd for reliability and power. I can live with a bit of lag in the city but I cannot forgive an engine running out of breath on the highway and that's why I've discounted all SOHC engines (TDCi, dCi) as they aren't free revving (read excellent cruising ability) as the DOHC engines. I know someone will challenge my statement asking if I've driven an SOHC engine. Yes, I have. Again, it's my cousin's Nissan Micra and I found it lag free in the city but running breathless on the highway.
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19th February 2013, 12:31	#12
drsingh BHPian Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Ludhiana Posts: 780 Thanked: 716 Times	Its more than once I've heard piezoelectric injectors as a special feature. Don't all modern common rail systems use piezoelectric injectors now? Someone with technical knowhow kindly enlighten me!
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19th February 2013, 12:50	#13
msaudf BHPian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Cochin Posts: 269 Thanked: 164 Times	Re: Best Diesel engine in India MERCEDEZ BENZ OM615, OM616, OM617. These engines are reliable, fuel efficient, and so durable they outlast the car itself. On top of all that they are very cheap to maintain. there are no complicated sensors and electronics that require experts with laptops for a diagnosis.These are simple, heavy duty, durable and efficient engines. Edit:I guess i should have read the first post before posting, I thought we were discussing just engines. sorry mates Last edited by msaudf : 19th February 2013 at 12:55.
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20th February 2013, 14:00	#15
drsingh BHPian Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Ludhiana Posts: 780 Thanked: 716 Times	The OP is considering mid segment diesels.maybe to help make a buying decision. IMHO all modern diesel engines are reliable and are tuned for a particular application. The fiat multijet - proven beyond doubt.also has 1.5 lakh km warranty /5 years in case of Chevrolet sail. The Renault k9k - proven by Logan taxis Toyota diesels proven d4d tech with 1 lakh km/3 year warranty. Tata diesels- unrefined but proven by commercial and taxi use. Hyundai diesels - except the original accent crdi hiccups , proven technology VW/Skoda - proven international technology. Mahindra- proven crde technology, multitude of Scorpios with 1.5 lakh on the odo. All the engines do the job well for their intended purpose i e hatch,sedan or high torque SUV. I don't think the engine alone is a major deal breaker in the choice of vehicles in the market. Its all a compromise between cost,speed,overall reliability.
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