I am very confused with this discussion. I am very sure that Army Men cannot question orders. Well that is true.
However, I have never seen any rule anywhere that we cannot question anything? If that was the case, how come we question taxes we deem unfair. How come we have the right to protest and sit on the roads, when something we deem unfair happens.
So somehow, if we question the actions of the Army, it becomes "wrong?". Very very strange reasoning! How come questioning authority is "disrespect".
If we want to follow a system of governance where authority should not be questioned, lets do away with the parliament and import some dictator?
Just because you question something, does not mean you are disrespecting someone.
And if people want to be true to their word, then if their car has GPS they should just rip it out of the console or break it with their crowbar instead of trying to explain that all cars have GPS. Why argue?
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Originally Posted by anandpadhye Not sure why you don't understand my point - I feel it's the J&K government and central government administration that is at fault and not the armed forces. Arguing with the javans at the checkpost or blaming the ITBT/Army is futile. |
The GPS incident is something else. I was talking about actions which are not consistant. Eg allowing someone, and not allowing others over a route between two places, both of which are part of India, and the route between which is also under Indian control.
The govt started issuing permits, but to be able to use that route is case by case bases.
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Originally Posted by Judemayne Dear All, to those that have been aggrieved by both the Army/ITBP deployed along the LC/LAC/LOC or even the BSF on the International border-was a part of that uniform for 30 years-out of which spent 20 of them either on the IB or most often then not on the LOC!!
We have our orders which comes from the highest levels and some of these so called "Instructions or Orders" may seem ridiculous to us too but we have to follow it! |
Thank you for replying on this thread. You cleared my point. The orders you get a "set". Or are they like "If you feel happy allow someone otherwise don't".
When you are asked, block civilian access to point "X". you will block access.
For example, till 2009 or so, the bridge after Hunder dunes had a sentry posted. You could not go to Turtuk. IT was not allowed. Simple orders. Clear and concise.
I am sure vague orders, like allow X and not allow Y etc., are not part of the Army.
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Originally Posted by anandpadhye Regarding secrecy - there is one strong theory discussed these days that we are silently and progressively loosing land to China every day and instead of strengthening our forces and infrastructure along the LAC, the government actually just wants to ensure that this information does not become public. Now, if this is true, then it's sad and alarming. |
Its not theory, its true. The main point of secrecty in many such areas is actually to hide hanky panky than for national security.
I have spoken to people, you can also ask around. You can ask brigadiars, generals, soldiers, jawans, politicians, etc, and none of them will be able to tell you the answer to this question
"How does a tourist going to chushul hamper national security, any more than a tourist going to Wagah border hample national security".
Try to get an answer to this question, you will not find any. And please understand, asking a question is not disrespect. I actually wrote a letter to MHA in February asking about "permits for chushul", and also the reply MHA gave to member of Parliament.
Nobody replied, but I exercised my right to question, and I have no guilt in questioning anyone.