[AutoNoob]

Originally Posted by harikrishnansp

The safety of you and the people around you (including fellow commuters on the road) depends not only on your car (safety rating,adas, airbags, seatbelts and what not!), but also on you (wearing seatbelts, safe driving practices, maintaining critical components in the car properly).

Very well said. No second thoughts about this.

It was also posted by GNCAP in their channel. Nothing untrustworthy about it. If we are doubting this, we should be doubting all GNCAP results.

Achieving 5 stars with a stable body shell in a sub ton car is a great achievement. With an adequate design and materials, it is not an impossible feat also.

Correct. Its design optimization. Imagine adding few kilos in an aeroplane or spacecraft and impact it would have on many other aspects.

Unnecessary heavy vehicle may indicate poor design optimization, leading to a vicious circle of higher momentum, needing larger brakes for same stopping distance, further reinforced structure to take higher resultant loading in a crash and the circle continues, forget about FE.

That said, real life situations are far different from the fixed spec of crash testing and even a 5 star 'rated' vehicle may not be adequate to provide protection. But something is better than nothing.

[Kirubakaran_G]

The tested car's weight in the Global NCAP report shows that the weight of the vehicle is 1153Kgs. But in the maruti suzuki website it was shown as 920-960Kgs. Am I missing something? Or this test is conducted for Indian made export models alone?

[ron178]

Originally Posted by Kirubakaran_G

The tested car's weight in the Global NCAP report shows that the weight of the vehicle is 1153Kgs. But in the maruti suzuki website it was shown as 920-960Kgs. Am I missing something? Or this test is conducted for Indian made export models alone?

The test weight is the laden weight of the car during the test. This includes 2 adult + 2 child dummies, 2 child seats, accelerometers and loadcells in various positions around the passenger compartment of the car, and data acquisition equipment in the boot.

You can read more here.

Acko has interviewed GNCAP secgen Alejandro Furas about the result.

https://youtu.be/NpZDMstBUeU?si=Z07tWsAJSi_tlFdK

Note this is not the same video posted earlier.

[srvm]

Kudos to Maruti for finally giving us Indians a 5* rated car

My humble views on this happy development:

1. I bought my current car (Tata Zest) in 2016. My main use case was traveling with my family of five and safety was paramount for me. Zest came with 4* GNCAP rating which was the best in that segment (compact sedan) at that time. Next best was Aspire (3*), if I recollect correctly.

2. Being a heavy car (1135kg unladen) and a turbo-petrol, my Zest gives poor fuel economy in slow moving city traffic (typically 9-10 kmpl).

3. In addition, my car has been through enough troubles (fuel pump issues, starter motor replaced, engine wiring harness issues). I have written about them in detail here and here. I have enough experience with sub-par after-sales experience of Tata (multiple service centers, multiple cities, I have phone numbers of about two dozen TASS mechanics & SA in my phone )

4. In my mind, I always felt it was easier for Maruti/Hyundai to develop safer cars for India (they have done for other markets) than for Tata to make reliable cars or make TASS care about customers or Tata to up their QA game.
For this, I hated Maruti and Hyundai for not having anything in their portfolio for a guy like me (higher priority for safety). Who wouldn't want reliable AND safe cars backed by customer-friendly ASS?

5. Since my use case & priorities haven't changed much since 2016, I will be keeping an eye on Dzire as a candidate whenever I'm in the market for a new car.

6. I do hope this is not a one-trick-pony. I sincerely hope that Maruti does send more cars from its stable to GNCAP /Bharat NCAP. Cars more expensive than Dzire - Baleno, Fronx, Vitara, Brezza etc. I now have high hopes & expectations from Maruti.

7. More than Tata/Mahindra (upping their QA and ASS experience), I'm eagerly awaiting/watching Hyudai/Kia's gameplan for safer cars.

[volkman10]

Maruti Suzuki sales expectation, compact sedan segment & more- Hisashi Takeuchi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC2n...l=AutocarIndia

[sagkag]

Saw this advertisement in today's newspaper. No mention of 5-star safety rating. This car being the first 5-star GNCAP car from Maruti's stable, why are they not playing this trump card in their ads? Is it a negligent oversight or a deliberate play? If it is deliberate, I can't think of a reason why they would do this.

[ron178]

Originally Posted by sagkag

If it is deliberate, I can't think of a reason why they would do this.

I suppose acknowledging GNCAP in marketing material would make their other products look bad

I really think Maruti has a big opportunity here to set a new benchmark in responsibly advertising the rating. Because A, the car is going to sell with the rating or not, and B, Maruti already acknowledges that the baggage behind the rating is important.

This is what Partho Bannerjee told media at the Dzire launch:

“Adding (safety) feature to the product is not enough. I think we have to cover lots of other aspects also. For example, (we need to better awareness of the customer, (give) education to the customer,” said Partho Banerjee, senior executive officer (marketing and sales) at the country’s largest carmaker. “Even if we have a good airbag system three-point seatbelt, if they (passengers) don't wear a seatbelt, the may work adversely to the occupant. So that's very important for our customers to understand that they follow the exact instructions from the OEM (original equipment manufacturer).”

Source

[Aditya_Bhp]

Originally Posted by ron178

I think it is likely both have similar developments, but since they are not exactly the same car from the front up to the B pillar it is not so straightforward for GNCAP to officially extend the rating as internal evidence would be required.

Sir, do you know if Maruti uses the 980mpa grade steel in the Baleno also?
Also quoting the Global NCAP's crash test report of the previous generation Baleno.

"The Baleno was tested in frontal impact and side impact, whiplash and pedestrian protection. In the Frontal impact the model showed stable structure performance. Side impact test showed high intrusion in the door with poor protection to the chest of the adult door during the test. Whiplash test showed marginal neck protection. The zero stars result is explained by the poor side impact protection, marginal whiplash protection, lack of standard side body and head protection airbags, lack of standard Electronic Stability Control (ESC) and the decision of Suzuki of not recommending Child Restraint Systems (CRS) for the test. Pedestrian protection performance showed a reasonable level."

Now that the Baleno/Fronx is available with 6 airbags, has ESC, claims to have better build quality, along with the previous gen's stable structure, can we expect a 4 or 5 star Baleno/Fronx?

[ron178]

Originally Posted by Aditya_Bhp

do you know if Maruti uses the 980mpa grade steel in the Baleno also?

In the interview based on which I learned of this thing in the first place, the Suzuki engineers said it is used in the Fronx and Baleno. You can use a browser extension for machine translation.

The big question mark with the new Maruti Baleno is the side barrier impact performance where GNCAP would use the base car with 2 airbags (vs 6 in Dzire). Other Marutis were quite troublesome here despite low intrusion of the barrier. I cannot really speculate about the new Baleno as even a difference of a couple of mm of compression can make a 4-star car a 0 or 1-star car. The Fronx might have an advantage because of its higher seating position.

The Baleno result you are citing is a Latin NCAP result, irrelevant for the Indian version of the same car because this was an LHD car of export spec. It is common for FWD RHD cars to have different performance, this was evident in the previous generation Suzuki Swift whose LHD version tested by Latin NCAP had no pedal intrusion while the Indian one's pedals intruded so badly it scored 0 points for the feet. Also for example the Suzuki A-star exported from India whose UK-spec RHD version had more intrusion when tested by Euro NCAP than the LHD version given 4 stars by Latin NCAP more than a decade ago.

[chiefpk]

A bit late to the party Maruti, but absolutely thrilled with this result. Finally the market leaders have woken up. So happy to see the Dzire scoring 5 stars. Tata must now work proactively to stay in the race for the 2nd spot. Otherwise they already are lagging behind with the sales with respect to Hyundai and Mahindra.

More competition will only help the customers.

[A777R]

Well, this result is also making waves in international media. This article popped on Google news for me -

https://jalopnik.com/this-8-000-suzu...h-t-1851696481

From the article - "I don’t care what anyone says, six airbags and pedestrian protection at a price point less than $10,000 is impressive."

Most of the commenters wish this car was available in the US where even the cheapest car starts around $20k. Guess the grass is always greener on the other side.

[Emvi]

Before Dzire's GNCAP rating was announced:

Maruti haters : Maruti sales = x : 10x

Now(most likely scenario):

Maruti haters : Maruti sales = 0.5x : 10.5x

[som9729]

Does anyone know if the current 2024 Swift is based upon the new 5 star GNCAP Dzire?

If I buy the new Swift, do I get 5 star safety too?

couldn't find clear info on this anywhere.

[ItsMeTheCarBoi]

Originally Posted by som9729

Does anyone know if the current 2024 Swift is based upon the new 5 star GNCAP Dzire?

If I buy the new Swift, do I get 5 star safety too?

couldn't find clear info on this anywhere.

There's no concrete info on the Swift's rating. It should be similar to the Dzire, as it has same safety features, build etc.

But the Swift recieved 4 star safety in JNCAP and 3 star safety in EURO NCAP tests. If I'm correct GNCAP is more strict in crash test rules, so it might be less than Dzire too, In GNCAP.

[Vikram9193]

The Swift just today received 1 star in Australia’s ANCAP test. This is the exact same car as the Japanese Swift, which, weirdly, received 4 stars from JNCAP previously. Confusing matters further, the European Swift is a different car with additional safety structures and received 3 stars from Euro NCAP.

Just to repeat, the Australian Swift is not made in India. So we still don’t know what the rating for the Indian Swift will be. Neither is the manufacturing uniform across markets, nor is the test protocol.

https://www.carexpert.com.au/opinion...i-swift-unsafe

Worth noting that the Scorpio N, lacking ADAS, received a zero star rating from ANCAP previously. This Swift as tested came with ADAS.