Re: BNCAP: Citroen Basalt scores 4 stars Quote:
Originally Posted by saikishor Car scoring 4 stars is fine, but what is BNCAP upto? I mean, releasing results of mostly irrelevant cars? |
GNCAP's secretary general seems to think, according to the interview below, that Maruti are making six airbags standard on their new generation of models in India (maybe Maruti are waiting until that for BNCAP?). He has also mentioned the new Swift in two interviews this year which makes me think GNCAP might be testing it as well.
Watch this interview at 13:10 with translated subtitles: Are cars sold in Chile safe? - Interview with Alejandro Furas, from Latin NCAP Quote:
Originally Posted by saikishor Edit: I see this is applicable only for select models. This is not how it should be done. In that case, either test only the base model or test both base model and top model. This will give a clearer perspective. Testing only top model, releasing its results and then putting a small highlight of "applicable for select models only" is very misleading.
Edit: The fact sheet shows the models that this rating is applicable to, and I am assuming it has all variants over there. Why create so much confusion for a simple thing |
I would like to disagree here as IMO BNCAP does this better than GNCAP, who do exactly the same thing but don't even mention that the rating is for select variants only.
Eg. if the Scorpio N had no ESC or side airbags across the range, like the base variant, the entire model would have scored 2 stars, but the whole model (even the base variant *officially*) has 5 stars because ESC is a standalone option and curtain airbags are fitted to >30% units of Scorpio-N produced overall. This means a rating for a variant can be hugely dependent on safety equipment that is not even fitted to it.
GNCAP's reasoning is that it encourages manufacturers to design their cars to have these features but requiring them standard would have made them give up on 5 stars. But it is a little exasperating that a consumer testing programme thinks its audience is the industry and not consumers. It is a common problem with NCAPs over time where after seeing their work drive progress they tend to cut out the middleman (the consumer) but as long as they recognise the hazards and make an active effort to patch it, it works. GNCAP do not appear to be.
BNCAP as we know copy-pasted GNCAP's protocols and now are in a half-hearted attempt to patch this. While it is nice they are at least bothering to mention that it is valid only for a few variants, that means that when base variants differ from the top the base will almost never carry a valid rating. As you mentioned it would have been much simpler to have a dual rating system like Euro NCAP. Quote:
Originally Posted by saikishor Edit: Where can I find the bodyshell integrity? The stable/unstable comment? |
It seems press releases and comments are not BNCAP's forte. This is very bad as moving backwards to calculate the dummy values from the colours is hard enough as it is when the modifiers are known — without comments it is highly nondeterministic.
Last edited by ron178 : 12th October 2024 at 05:22.
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