[oMK1ar]

Originally Posted by shivrajvp

There's news that Defence lawyer has claimed a glitch in the car causing the car to go at high speeds! Is this even possible? Wouldn't there be any failsafe in such an expensive car? Can Porsche give in to this??
Porsche team has visited for inspection. Is it possible to bribe Porsche to accept the glitch claim??

lol this guy doesn't know what he is getting into. If Porsche decides to take this seriously on their image, they WILL investigate the car and prove them wrong and that will only make things complex.

Originally Posted by Fornax

Extremely disturbing incidence - especially being a parent, I cannot imagine being in the shoes of either the victims' or the perpetrators' parent.

Emotions are running high, so please pardon me if this comes across as insensitive at this point:

Bro, you are going too far.. my questions are pretty basic!

Why isnt the licensing authority going world-class when we are exporting luxury cars and bikes to the world and have world-class talent in this country to make and even own them?

Why arent dealerships afraid of losing license if they roll out a vehicle sans plates?

Why aren't there any laws for parents to face imprisonment if their kids violate RTO rules?

Why aren't urban planning people involved to plan and rectify the city's old roads instead of a need-based repair that disrupts traffic and creates new diversions everyday?

And lastly, the government is still unsuccesful to make Punekars adorn a helmet.. why!?


And brother another thing... I cannot disclose more details, but I have had the opportunity to have an hour long talk with one of the top guys in Bangalore's traffic division and back in 2011 the city had Hi-res CCTV cameras, speed detecting cameras, and optical zooming cameras in a triple-digit number. This is 2011 ! And hence i made the point about urban planners above, as if at all all cities follow a process towards repairs and maintenance and accordingly plan the CCTVs during and post the work, ALL the cameras in all cities would've worked well and this could be of help to multiple law enforcement agencies.

The governments are only blinding us with progress... only to hide the already-existing flaws.

[silverado]

Its being more than 20 pages of discussion/debates frustration being vented out on the culprit/system.

I feel we as a community should actively do something in this case to offer help to victims parents. I am purely saying this because they have lost young lives and this is one aspect which has touched me, and not because this was caused by a 17 year old rich kid.

I have no idea how we can offer help, but if anyone has any suggestions/ideas then lets start another thread ( If they are solid and if admins agree ) so that we can offer help in anyway possible.

[Thad E Ginathom]

Originally Posted by shivrajvp

There's news that Defence lawyer has claimed a glitch in the car causing the car to go at high speeds! Is this even possible? ...

They must be really desperate: this is bottom-of-the-barrel stuff.

As Turbanator has said, it is not impossible. Stuff happens to machines. Accelerator cables get jammed, ICUs have glitches. But it is very rare and highly unlikely. And even an inexperienced driver should have the sense to crash into something that is not alive. Assuming it hasn't occurred to them to turn the engine off.

It's also difficult to get manufacturers to admit to this stuff. I seem to remember an instance in America where one model suffered sudden speed surges (someone will know and mention what car it was) and owners did not get satisfaction from the makers for years.

And I doubt that any high-level international engineer from such an international company is going to be open to "influence." (Except maybe from his bosses)

[DrivingDoyen]

This matter involves almost all the hallowed edicts of the law of our land being breached, sadly, in a brazen, deliberate and shameless fashion.

Much has been written in this thread as also in the electronic media and every day unfolds with newer and newer dimensions of the sordid subversion of the law perpetrated by the various stakeholders of this gory tragedy, right from a juvenile to his parents and grand parents, police, doctors, juvenile tribunal and the list goes on.

But, one thing that has remained truly inspirational is the continued public interest in unraveling the entire conspiracy and the cover up of the story is amazing and unrelenting.

This trend towards seeking safer passage in Indian thoroughfares will let us continue driving Indian roads despite the reckless inebriated morons imperiling our sane driving. If the continued media (conventional and social) attention on this tragedy could lead to improving safety and accountability considerations of our roads, we all collectively stand to gain immensely from the same and in that direction we should not let our focus die down in extracting accountability.

[Delta Wing]

Originally Posted by Thad E Ginathom

It's also difficult to get manufacturers to admit to this stuff. ISTR an instance in America where one model suffered sudden speed surges (someone will know and mention what car it was) and owners did not get satisfaction from the makers for years.

Wasn't it Toyota, sudden acceleration of Corolla or Camry due to faulty gas pedals? Long running recalls and millions of cars IIRC around 2010.

[ajmat]

Originally Posted by Thad E Ginathom

It's also difficult to get manufacturers to admit to this stuff. ISTR an instance in America where one model suffered sudden speed surges (someone will know and mention what car it was) and owners did not get satisfaction from the makers for years.

It was the Audi 200 or 5000. Apparently, it did not happen to many cars but Audi did not address this adequately and it cost them

[svsantosh]

I downloaded the TAYCAN OWNER MANUAL and found this. If this helps - someone in India please share with media houses. Or tag some names in Insta/FB/Whatsapp.

https://www.taycanevforum.com/thread...nual-pdf.2088/

327 pages

Page 16 and 17

Storing data in the event data recorder (EDR) Your vehicle is fitted with an event data recorder (EDR). The EDR is a data storage device that records vehicle status data in the event of a critical event, such as in an accident situation in particular. The EDR is used to determine the circumstances of such an event and in particular, the behaviour of the vehicle systems. Potentially relevant status data, such as the type of event, accelerator/brake pedal position, steering wheel angle, speed, number/position of fastened seat belts, transverse and lateral acceleration of the vehicle, mileage, fault memory content, a time stamp andthe vehicle identification number (VIN), in particular, is recorded for this purpose. This data is continually stored in a ring memory, which is overwritten again and again at five-second intervals. The EDR does not capture audio, image and/or video recordings or position data. If indicators of a critical event are registered, the current memory state of the EDR is stored in a log file, i.e. the five seconds before the triggering event plus 300 milliseconds afterwards. After storing data permanently in this way, the EDR returns to ring storage mode until another triggering event triggers further permanent storage of data. The event memory can permanently store up to six log files. These log files will be overwritten later by newer log files if necessary. However, log files that were stored as a result of airbag/seat-belt pretensioner activity are overwrite-protected because this indicates a particularly critical event, such as an accident. As soon as four such overwrite-protected log files are stored in the event memory, a message to this effect will be displayed on the instrument cluster in the vehicle. A device for communicating with the diagnostic interface in the vehicle is required for reading out the log files that are stored permanently in the EDR. Such devices are available not just to the vehicle manufacturer and service centres, but also to law enforcement authorities and possibly to third parties, for example. However, some of the data stored in the log files can only be accessed by Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG as the vehicle manufacturer. The log files stored in the EDR cannot be accessed remotely. The data stored in the EDR is not intended as a means of identifying certain people. After reading out the data, however, it may be possible to assign the log files stored in the EDR to certain people, e.g. to the owner of the vehicle based on the VIN, or through a link to other findings from other sources. Before reading out the data, the owner of the vehicle is always responsible for processing the data stored in the EDR. After reading out the log files, the relevant user is responsible for processing them. If Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG is given access to the log files stored in the EDR, it uses these particularly for the following purposes, if necessary: Analyses aimed at product improvement; correcting malfunctions, particularly in relation to product monitoring obligations and for resolving liability issues. Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG will only use log files containing personal data and/or pass these on to a third party if authorised to do so in accordance with data protection legislation. If law enforcement authorities, courts or other third parties are given access to the log files stored in the EDR, they use these particularly for the following purposes, if necessary: Clarification of facts relating to an accident; correction of causes of accidents in the vehicle; documentary evidence of the fact that the vehicle was not involved in an accident; (accident-related) research. Please note that using and reading out the EDR may be subject to local legal requirements, which can include access rights to the log files stored in the EDR.








I am praying to nail them to the wall now!

[Ravindra M]

Originally Posted by svsantosh

[b]I downloaded the TAYCAN OWNER MANUAL...

I am praying to nail them to the wall now!

Thanks for sharing this info. Hope the EDR doesn't go missing mysteriously now !!

[Thad E Ginathom]

So there is a "black box."

But it only holds 5 seconds, so it is not going to reveal driving patterns before that. On the other hand, 5 seconds at normal city speeds is quite a lot of reaction time. At the alleged speeds, it cover quite a lot of ground

Originally Posted by Delta Wing

Wasn't it Toyota ...

Originally Posted by ajmat

It was the Audi 200 or 5000. ...

Thanks guys. Either or both, but Toyota rings a bell with me.

[sarathlal]

Originally Posted by Thad E Ginathom

It's also difficult to get manufacturers to admit to this stuff. ISTR an instance in America where one model suffered sudden speed surges (someone will know and mention what car it was) and owners did not get satisfaction from the makers for years.

It was Toyota somewhere in early 2000's. Inspite of multiple deaths, they vehemently opposed to the allegation and even the initial investigations were inconclusive.

I think after many many years, the lawsuit went against Toyota and they had to pay a huge some to get over it, in addition to multiple vehicle recalls.

[EDIT] Adding the details from wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden...d_acceleration

Excerpts;

The most prominent incidents of sudden unintended acceleration recently took place from 2000–2010 in Toyota and Lexus vehicles, resulting in as many as 89 deaths and 52 injuries in the USA.

More investigations were made but were unsuccessful in finding any defect until April 2008, when it was discovered that the driver side trim on a 2004 Toyota Sienna could come loose and prevent the accelerator pedal from returning to its fully closed position.

It was later discovered that the floor mats of the affected Toyota vehicles could cause them to accelerate suddenly, and that Toyota had known about these problems but had misled consumers and continued to manufacture defective cars. In March 2014, the Department of Justice issued $1.2 billion of financial penalties against Toyota in a deferred prosecution agreement.

[amol4184]

Some politician's son's convoy car runs over 2 youths (one just 17 year old kid) killing them on the spot.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/kara...s-bike-5770083

As sickening as it is to say, I hope media does not lose focus and move over to this new case while forgetting Porsche case. Both of these need to be kept on boil.

P.S. do NOT watch videos on Twitter of this incident, they will make your stomach churn.

Further P.S. police are still making sure if the said politician son was part of the convoy or not...

[AZT]

Originally Posted by ajmat

If this was the case, why the blood sample switch?

Additionally, the Porche can also claim that the driver was underaged and inadequately trained to handle such a car!

I think they are building a case on there is no proof the kid was driving the car. They are gonna pin it in on the family driver.

[volkman10]

Originally Posted by AZT

I think they are building a case on there is no proof the kid was driving the car. They are gonna pin it in on the family driver.

Pune teen was drunk, drove Porsche at time of crash, claims friend

Friend's statement recorded by Pune Crime Branch
Other friends also confirmed minor was driving Porsche

the statement of the accused minor's friend was recorded at the Pune Crime Branch office after being questioned for some six hours.

The friend claimed that the teen was drunk before he got behind the wheels of the Porsche and crashed it later.

Link:

[Loco-moto]

Sadly none of the corruption displayed in this case is new.

Anyone average Indian will know that all these parties: police, judiciary, politicians, are to be stayed away from at all costs.

It's just that involvement of thr rich and an exotic car is leading to this public outrage.

[HIGHWAY_PATROL]

https://www.business-standard.com/in...2900697_1.html

It is very sad that the doctor who swapped the blood samples was bought for 3 lakh rupees. But the news is also giving me hope that there are good souls who are working actively to resist evil and uphold truth.