[ron178]

According to a media report from Australia, the Mahindra Scorpio-N and MG 5 will have ANCAP safety ratings by the end of the year.

Mahindra had earlier announced that they would wait until a mid-cycle facelift to volunteer testing for the Scorpio-N. According to the report, however, ANCAP did not wait, and decided to independently buy 6 Scorpio-N units from local dealers for testing, noting its lack of safety equipment.

ANCAP CEO Carla Hoorweg said:

ANCAP has observed a small number of new models entering the market with a safety specification lower than that currently expected by Australian consumers, and these models are a focus for ANCAP.
It is ANCAP’s role to encourage the highest levels of safety.
Pleasingly, the vast majority of vehicle brands continue to offer their customers high and improving levels of safety as new models and facelifts are introduced.
Unfortunately the number of lives lost on Australia’s roads continues to grow, with the most recent figures showing a 19.6 per cent increase in the number of road fatalities compared with the average over the previous five years.
It is important that vehicle manufacturers continue to prioritise the safety of their customers.

The Scorpio-N lacks active and passive safety features common on other Australian cars, like rear seatbelt pretensioners (crucial for protecting the rear adult occupant in the full-width test and older children used in ANCAP testing), curtain airbag coverage for the third row, rear seatbelt reminders, and any form of ADAS. This could put it in a very difficult position for the tough new Euro NCAP 2023 criteria that ANCAP uses.

[BleueNinja]

Originally Posted by ron178

ANCAP CEO Carla Hoorweg said:


The Scorpio-N lacks active and passive safety features common on other Australian cars, like rear seatbelt pretensioners (crucial for protecting the rear adult occupant in the full-width test and older children used in ANCAP testing), curtain airbag coverage for the third row, rear seatbelt reminders, and any form of ADAS. This could put it in a very difficult position for the tough new Euro NCAP 2023 criteria that ANCAP uses.

Will they be testing XUV 700 as well ? I think it’s safe to assume XUV 700 will score better than ScorpioN but do you think even the XUV will fail to score a higher rating ?

[Shreyans_Jain]

Not good news from Mahindra’s perspective. Scorpion as well as XUV700 have received largely positive reviews, and the 5 star GNCAP rating was a nice positive reinforcement. Now, they are going to see this star rating take a nosedive under the new ANCAP protocol, which the ScorpioN is not equipped for. Bad press in Australia, bad press in India.

Perhaps this is the kick they need to proactively update the car with the required safety features and not wait for the facelift.

[ron178]

Originally Posted by BleueNinja

Will they be testing XUV 700 as well ? I think it’s safe to assume XUV 700 will score better than ScorpioN but do you think even the XUV will fail to score a higher rating ?

ANCAP operates on taxpayer money, so unless the manufacturer funds assessment they usually only pick models that are very low on safety spec, like they did with the Mitsubishi Express and others in the past. I don't think the XUV700 is one of them. It is certainly in no position to score a top rating, but the Scorpio is much worse off.

Honestly, though, considering there is evidence of Global NCAP having tested the Indian Bolero Neo, I think the Scorpio N's ANCAP might not be Mahindra's PR team's biggest concern.

[The Rationalist]

Mahindra should have avoided this. There's nothing they would gain from not equipping with the safety features Australians expect, especially since they ain't selling in high numbers. It's easier to lose your reputation than gain it.

[ron178]

Originally Posted by The Rationalist

Mahindra should have avoided this. There's nothing they would gain from not equipping with the safety features Australians expect, especially since they ain't selling in high numbers. It's easier to lose your reputation than gain it.

What happened in Australia is a complicated story. Mahindra were in need of a replacement for the Scorpio, so they had to rush the launch very much to escape a regulation requiring AEB for type approval in Australia. Cars that had already been homologated were given a two-year window if I remember right, so that is what Mahindra did.

Of course, when a vehicle is launched that has to barely scrape past regulations like this, consumer testing organisations are going to take notice. Mahindra probably knew this was coming.

That probably explains why they focused on ANCAP during the new Pik-Up launch presentation.

[ron178]

CarExpert, an Australian publication, has hinted that ANCAP has invited Australian journalists to watch a local crash test. The author says things are likely to be bad for the automaker, while also voicing concerns about ANCAP's policy of shaming anything less than 5 stars as substandard.

ANCAP rarely does local testing anymore, with most results being based off Euro NCAP. Since the MG5 and Scorpio are already confirmed for local testing, it's very likely to be one of them.

Link

[ron178]

Argument between ANCAP and CarExpert heats up following latest crash test (Scorpio?).

ANCAP accuses CarExpert of being anti-safety - CarExpert

“Undermining ANCAP’s important role in educating Australian and New Zealand customers about the importance of vehicle safety in their vehicle purchasing decisions, with factual inaccuracies and ambiguous language is inconsistent with CarExpert’s own commitment to editorial integrity,” Hoorweg said in an email to the CarExpert founders.

“Every single one of us that has witnessed a crash test has only ever been when they’ve been trying to make an example of a manufacturer,” said Paul Maric, one of the CarExpert founders.

“There have been a number of us that have watched a crash test and all of them were train wrecks for the manufacturer."

The most recent ANCAP test is believed to have been troublesome for the car company involved, although CarExpert cannot reveal any results.

[SuperGirl_Dad]

Not particularly interested with this ANCAP testing. There has been instances where 4 or 5 *s have been awarded arbitrarily . For eg. XUV500



Link

Although the results are old, the standards leaves a lot to be desired. Hope we get to see a full test this time.

[ron178]

Originally Posted by SuperGirl_Dad

Not particularly interested with this ANCAP testing. There has been instances where 4 or 5 *s have been awarded arbitrarily . For eg. XUV500

Not comparable at all. In 2019 ANCAP and Euro NCAP aligned their protocols, and now they share some results with each other and not just one way. Modern ANCAP is arguably equivalent to the most wide-ranging consumer test in the world.

Long ago, ANCAP used to award full side impact points to vehicles that are exempted from ECE95 (or its Australian equivalent), i.e those with driver seat R-points more than 70cm off the ground, usually SUVs and pickups. This made some sense because with the 950kg ECE95 MDB (which GNCAP still uses) even the worst SUVs score close to full points for side impact (see Latin NCAP for examples).

Today, ANCAP uses the new 1300kg Advanced EU MDB, and their side impact test runs 60km/h. It's also performed on all cars, as is a new 32km/h oblique pole impact and a host of other tests like whiplash and pedestrian protection that's now more realistic. ANCAP testing is not even close to the 'jugaad' it was a decade ago (the organisation is a different story).

[ashutoshb]

Australian ScorpioN to get ADAS soon.

Source: At 11:10

https://youtu.be/Gm9dYTCRqPg?si=6qW0QjjRUHpgfN1o

[ron178]

ANCAP directly confirms a few more "local" ratings before the end of the year in latest release of "imported" ratings.

“While 2023 has been a fairly lean year in terms of new ratings, the great news for new car buyers is that each of the 2023 ratings published to date are five star ratings,” said ANCAP Chief Executive Officer, Carla Hoorweg.

“As we approach the end of the year, we are expecting to apply a few more ratings to models that have recently entered the market, so if you’re looking to buy a new car, keep an eye on the ANCAP website,” Ms Hoorweg added.

Source - ANCAP

[ron178]

ANCAP have officially teased the upcoming Scorpio-N and MG 5 crash test results, to be released “between now and Christmas”.


Double trouble for Mahindra if GNCAP also decides to publish their final India results this week.

[ron178]

Mahindra logo updated on ANCAP website. Publication today?

[volkman10]

Mahindra Scorpio 4WD from India – have been slapped with zero-star safety ratings by the Australasian New-Car Assessment Program (ANCAP).

One of the lowest rating in the 30-year history of the safety organisation.






The MG 5 sedan from China – and Mahindra Scorpio 4WD from India – have been slapped with zero-star safety ratings by the Australasian New-Car Assessment Program (ANCAP).

They are the second and third vehicles ever to be awarded the lowest rating in the 30-year history of the safety organisation – after the Mitsubishi Express van, a rebadged Renault Trafic, in 2020.

The Mahindra Scorpio was introduced in Australia in April 2023 and New Zealand in August 2023. This ANCAP safety rating applies to all variants.
Dual frontal, side chest-protecting and side head-protecting (first and second rows only) airbags are standard. The side head-protecting airbags do not extend to protect occupants seated in the third row.
A centre airbag to prevent occupant-to-occupant interaction is not available.
ANCAP’s assessment is based on six-seat variants available in Australia. A seven-seat variant with a centre seat in the second row is available in New Zealand, and is fitted with a lap-only seatbelt in the second row centre seating position. A lap-only seatbelt does not offer the same level of protection as a lap-sash (three point) seatbelt. ANCAP does not recommend that lap-only seatbelts are used for occupants of any size.
Neither an autonomous emergency braking (AEB) system, or a lane support system (LSS), are available on any variant of the Mahindra Scorpio.
A seatbelt reminder (SBR) system is fitted as standard to the front seating positions only. Seatbelt reminders are not provided for any second or third row seating positions.
A driver monitoring system (DMS) is not available.
A speed limit information function (SLIF) is not available.
A child presence detection (CPD) system is not available.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLTJ...PSafetyRatings