[padmrajravi]

Originally Posted by Sk8r

Tata knocking it out of the park! kudos to you guys.

But how did they manage to do it? I thought it's not possible with Fiat's Engine in left hand side driven countries.

If it's still possible, Jeep has been ignoring all this while?

It could be the 7th airbag. I remember reading an old thread that driver leg protection was the issue with Fiat engine in right hand drive cars. The additonal airbag below steering probably takes care of that issue. Pre facelift Safari's does not get that airbag. So most likely they wont get this 5 star rating.

This was the related post.

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/offic...ml#post4870464 (2020 Tata Harrier Automatic : Official Review)

[vigneshkumar31]

Wow. Congratulations TATA>

Im also interested to find out how they managed to overcome the FCA engine bay- footwell collapse theory.

[Old_Salt]

Excellent news, now where is that petrol engine for Delhi NCR?

[rajk15]

Congratulations are for sure in order for Tata.
However, the biggest issue with TaMo still stands- RELIABILITY.
Two things they need to fix for sure are consistency and improvement in manufacturing quality (lesser lemons) and service centre attitude. Not just this forum, but even Reddit is full of complaints of Tata service centres. Only once they fix this will they be true competitors to all the Marutis, Hyundais and even Mahindras.

[shivrajvp]

Hats off to Tata! Are these the only 2 cars in India to achieve full 5 stars in both adult & child safety? This is truly commendable!

[Siddj38]

Originally Posted by Sk8r

Tata knocking it out of the park! kudos to you guys.

But how did they manage to do it? I thought it's not possible with Fiat's Engine in left hand side driven countries.

If it's still possible, Jeep has been ignoring all this while?

Not sure what kind of power steering Jeep is using but Tata has switched from HPS to EPS. Maybe that has something to do with it

[ron178]

This should be such a proud moment for Tata. Not only five stars with the new protocols - but a score that will remain hard to match for some time to come!

You know, with good front, side and pole impact protection, ADAS, curtain airbags extending to all rows, three-point seatbelts for all and i-Size compatible rear seats, I can’t help but wonder Tata has export to developed markets on the cards for the future. In terms of safety, this is now almost up there with anything global, unlike some of the older “five-star” cars which focused squarely on one crash test and nothing more.

I am sure they were under pressure after the XUV700’s rating and did whatever they needed to get the Harrier to match. Maybe even some pressure lower down from the Kushaq.

It’s quite a turnaround for the Harrier and Safari because the older ones were woefully equipped when it came to safety. Not just the lapbelt and 2 airbags - some variants didn’t even have ISOFIX (indicating that they certainly didn’t plan to test it). Hard to even compare with this facelift, especially with such a modest price increase.

We have been looking for a car in this segment for some time now, and the facelift fixes quite a few of the old one’s deal-breakers. With better QC I can completely see one in our garage in the future.

[fiat_tarun]

Originally Posted by padmrajravi

It could be the 7th airbag....

The knee airbag is only available in the top end trim and will not contribute to the frontal crash test score. It has to be standard to be factored in.

[BleueNinja]

Originally Posted by padmrajravi

It could be the 7th airbag. I remember reading an old thread that driver leg protection was the issue with Fiat engine in right hand drive cars. The additonal airbag below steering probably takes care of that issue. Pre facelift Safari's does not get that airbag. So most likely they wont get this 5 star rating.

The test carried out solely relied on standard set of front and side curtain airbags. Therefore knee airbag had no role over here. If I recall correctly as per the new NCAP protocols base variant would be tested for safety features and then top would be considered for ADAS and pole tests etc.

Moreover, I feel this isn't a generational upgrade but a facelift so the safety rating could very well be applicable on 2020-2022 Harrier with 6 airbags since the structure and chassis stay the same.

Cheers!

[McLaren Rulez]

Originally Posted by padmrajravi

It could be the 7th airbag. I remember reading an old thread that driver leg protection was the issue with Fiat engine in right hand drive cars. The additonal airbag below steering probably takes care of that issue. Pre facelift Safari's does not get that airbag. So most likely they wont get this 5 star rating.

I think the NCAP protocol is to test the base variant of the car so it might not have anything to do with the knee airbag.

[ferrarirules]

Feature rich cars with 5* rating what more can you ask for. From image of taxi making manufacturer to an image of safe feature rich car manufacturer, the journey has been a remarkable one for Tata Motors. The transformation is worth a documentary in itself.

They started almost 8 years back with below portfolio

Jan-2016 - 11k cars a month



Now they have the below portfolio.

Sep-2023 - 45k cars a month



The reason for this success
1. They came with right launches at the right time
2. Safety was a priority over fuel efficiency
3. Started the EV journey when no one was serious about EVs in India

They have made the right investment of buying Ford's Sanand plant to augment capacity. With two more products in the pipeline - Tata Currv and Tata Sierra, the future is bright for Tata Motors.

Yes, their after sales service is a bit hit or miss. If they improve on that they will be become a formidable force in Indian automobile industry.

[skywalker18]

It is a great news for Tata!

It is almost certain that the pre-facelift model wasn't tested all these years because the team at Tata wasn't confident of scoring a 5-star because of the FCA diesel engine oil filter's intrusion( as widely speculated) or some other reason. Whatever the issue was, we can be sure that some fix was applied in the facelift of Harrier/safari.

Any score less than 5 stars would have been detrimental to the image built up Tata since its smaller/cheaper cars(Altroz, Punch and Nexon) scored 5 stars.

[padmrajravi]

Originally Posted by fiat_tarun

The knee airbag is only available in the top end trim and will not contribute to the frontal crash test score. It has to be standard to be factored in.

Originally Posted by BleueNinja

The test carried out solely relied on standard set of front and side curtain airbags. Therefore knee airbag had no role over here.

Cheers!

Originally Posted by McLaren Rulez

I think the NCAP protocol is to test the base variant of the car so it might not have anything to do with the knee airbag.

My bad, I thought all 7 airbags were standard. I still don't think the rating is valid for pre facelift variants though. Since they waited all these years to send it for crash test, I think there is something extra in the facelift version that helps them acheive this.

[khanmaj]

Safety speculations on Tata flagship offerings are dismissed now once and for all. Tata is THE only car manufacturer in India which has five start safety in all its top five products (Safari twins with the new while Altroz, Punch and Nexon with the old GNCAP protocols)
I wish Hyundai and Kia should also start following this in some of theirs which might force Maruti to prioritize safety in their cars as well. Good times ahead for the Indian car buyers in terms of safety and better structured cars.

[84.monsoon]

The facelift grew by 7 mm in length and 28 mm in width. However it is built on the same platform and the underlying chassis and interior dimensions are the same. I wonder if this has contributed to improving the crash test safety raring of this car. The previously discussed concern about intrusion into the footwell area or poor side impact handling - could they be mitigated to some extent by simply increasing the outside dimensions and increasing the extent of thickness of sheet metal used or simply by creating more buffer space for the passenger compartment? Trying to put two and two together in an unscientific way