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Old 12th September 2023, 10:10   #31
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Re: Auto Hold: Most convenient yet neglected feature!

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I think it does. The gearbox is driving the car forward and the brakes are holding it back.
I am a big fan of auto hold in my Nexon EV max. I do not know what it does on an ICE vechicle but I think in an EV it is easy to cutoff the motor when autohold is on so it should not be a problem. However the manual does not say it really does.

As an aside I do not like the user manual of Nexon EV. Many things are confusingly written for example the wiper settings. Also I believe for a much more feature ful machine like the Nexon EV, they should give some technical details of what happens in auto hold (should I move to N when I am on autohold or not for example).
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Old 12th September 2023, 10:25   #32
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Re: Auto Hold: Most convenient yet neglected feature!

I have fallen in love with the Auto Hold function in my Alcazar and can honestly now not imagine driving in traffic without it. It makes life so much easier. I have used it extensively in city traffic as well as on ghats and on hilly areas like Mahabaleshwar, it actually makes driving a hoot and so much more stress free. I do hope more and more mainstream cars get it.
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Old 12th September 2023, 10:33   #33
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As pointed out by a few and GTO, Auto Hold is one of fhe most underrated and misunderstood feature in an automatic car. I have this in my Creta DCT. It's a boon in Bengaluru city traffic snarls.
I simply switch it on when starting the car, and at traffic stops, all I have to do is fully compress the B pedal and it engages. I always check the AH light in the dash, it turns green when engaged, before taking the foot off. No switching to N. Although, I do switch to N if the stop is more than 60 seconds, for safety. Also, creta has a feature, wherein the EPB is automatically applied if the car is in autohold for more than 90 seconds, even in D. When i need to creep/crawl forward all I do is a gentle tap on the A pedal, the car inches forward without any jerk. There is a tiny delay if the car has to crawl when the EPB is engaged, as it takes about 1.5 secodns for the actuators to release the EPB.
For questions on DCT, the clutch is disengaged when the brake pedal is fully compressed and the vehicle is stationary. Auto hold just holds the brake in position. So no stress on the clutches.

A bonus with auto hold from my perspective, it works way better than hill-hold while moving in a slope. It holds the car in position as long as I want it to, compared to hill-hold which holds the car only for a few seconds after the foot is off the B pedal.
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Old 12th September 2023, 10:33   #34
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Re: Auto Hold: Most convenient yet neglected feature!

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I have fallen in love with the Auto Hold function in my Alcazar and can honestly now not imagine driving in traffic without it. It makes life so much easier. I have used it extensively in city traffic as well as on ghats and on hilly areas like Mahabaleshwar, it actually makes driving a hoot and so much more stress free. I do hope more and more mainstream cars get it.
I see this in my new Seltos AT, and yet to use. So while in D-Mode at traffic signal you click the Auto-hold button, and you dont need to apply brake or move to N/P ?

And my seltos switches off engine in idle in traffic, so its already in Auto-hold mode ? Atleast it feels like in P-mode when engine is off. Or when i am in standstill i engage Auto-hold and remove my legs from brake ? Bit-Confusing
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Old 12th September 2023, 10:38   #35
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Re: Auto Hold: Most convenient yet neglected feature!

I am a big fan of Auto Hold and it is very convenient in stop/go traffic, Having said that, I have switched off this option as I need to crawl into the parking space at home and if the auto hold is enabled it keeps on engaging when crawling in reverse, releasing auto hold needs accelerator input which leads to a higher speed crawl than I would like as I need to back up inch by inch into a tight parking space.

On a side note, I hope Auto Hold puts the transmission in neutral and applies brakes, if the transmission stays engaged it may lead to over heat issues, escpecially with DSGs leading to additional wear.
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Old 12th September 2023, 10:44   #36
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I see this in my new Seltos AT, and yet to use. So while in D-Mode at traffic signal you click the Auto-hold button, and you dont need to apply brake or move to N/P ?
How it works in Alcazar is every time you start a car, you press Auto Hold button once to start it. You will see that it has been activated on your MID Screen. After that, whenever you are in traffic, just deep press the break for a second and that Auto Hold on your MID will turn green. This means that Auto Hold has been engaged and you can now take your foot off break and let your car still be in D mode. There is no need to slot it to N or P. The car will stay where it is. It will only move ahead once you press on the accelerator. It is actually really really convenient.

I have no clue how it works with engine start/stop as I do not have that feature.
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Old 12th September 2023, 10:54   #37
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Fellow BHPians what's your thought on this. I know many of you who are not residing in any metro city might not be dealing with mammoth traffic situations, but in my opinion this is very convenient feature and now it should trickle down to budget automatics also.
I have Nexon Petrol AMT and Auto Hold function has been a Boon whether it is B2B Traffic or a slope. So you are right it makes crawling easy. It is more prominent on Inclines. Yes it should trickle down to all kinds of Automatics.
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Old 12th September 2023, 11:32   #38
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I have Nexon Petrol AMT and Auto Hold function has been a Boon whether it is B2B Traffic or a slope. So you are right it makes crawling easy. It is more prominent on Inclines. Yes it should trickle down to all kinds of Automatics.
What you have in Nexon Petrol AMT, is a hill hold or hill start assist function. Over here, the car will apply brakes for a couple of seconds, which will give you ample time to switch your legs from brake pedal to accelerator, whenever you are on a slope. However, if you don't give accelerator input after 2 seconds and remove the force from brake pedal, then the car will release hill hold, which will result in the car moving in direction of the slope.

Auto hold is a much more advanced feature, covered here precisely by BHPian Ays7. Auto hold will keep the brakes engaged as long as you don't press the accelerator pedal and car would hold itself for said duration and not slide back in the direction of slope.
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How it works in Alcazar is every time you start a car, you press Auto Hold button once to start it. You will see that it has been activated on your MID Screen. After that, whenever you are in traffic, just deep press the break for a second and that Auto Hold on your MID will turn green. This means that Auto Hold has been engaged and you can now take your foot off break and let your car still be in D mode. There is no need to slot it to N or P. The car will stay where it is. It will only move ahead once you press on the accelerator. It is actually really really convenient.

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Old 12th September 2023, 11:45   #39
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Re: Auto Hold: Most convenient yet neglected feature!

Auto hold is a very useful feature in heavy traffic and long signals wait times. In slow moving bumper to bumper traffic, I do not use auto hold and depend on the crawl feature. In heavy traffic or long traffic signal wait times (common use case in Bangalore), I depend on auto hold.

It is a boon when I reach the city traffic after a long outstation drive. I can give the right leg a well deserved rest in city signals.

I wont be able to live without Auto hold and will have to find a vehicle with the feature when I upgrade from Creta SXO.

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On a side note, I hope Auto Hold puts the transmission in neutral and applies brakes, if the transmission stays engaged it may lead to over heat issues, escpecially with DSGs leading to additional wear.
I do not think the transmission will change to neutral autoamtically as vehicle is still in Drive mode. The pressure is on brake pad in drive mode as we can experience the mild resistance while pressing the accelerator to move from standstill. What I do for very long wait times (common in bangalore) is to change the transimission to Neutral so that there is less strain on transmission, with auto hold I do not have to worry about the vehilcle moving in Neutral on a slight incline/ undulation.

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It is an excellent feature once you get used to the convenience. I use it extensively in the ZS EV. But whenever someone else in my family takes the car with autohold feature, they immediately turn it off since it hampers the normal crawl function ��.
Fully agree.

It is a boon in traffic conditions where you have to stop at red lights and there is a long period where the car has to be stopped without being shut off. However, when you have crawling traffic and people jostling for that one inch of gap, this function hinders in crawling. Also, then you are parking in tight spots and you want that small natural crawl of the engine and do not want the car to stop completely, it is not very convenient. So, I switch the auto hold on and off based on the circumstances.
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Auto hold is a much more advanced feature, covered here precisely by BHPian Ays7. Auto hold will keep the brakes engaged as long as you don't press the accelerator pedal and car would hold itself for said duration and not slide back in the direction of slope.
Any idea how this works alongside auto stop/start feature (which is supposed to help with fuel efficiency) that's on many cars?
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It is available on some manual cars too. My 2010 Mini One has it too. It will hold the brakes for just a couple of seconds, so you don’t need to apply handbrakes

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Oh! Really. Never heard about this function being present on a manual car. Thanks for enhancing my knowledge. Will look up on net to explore more.
It's there in the manual version of the xuv700 (only in Ax7L / Awd Ax7 variants though). Although it isn't as useful as it is in the automatics. Only valid use case I could find was to use it as a replacement for engaging the handbrake when you're at a traffic stop with the transmission in 'N'.
Advantages being:
- Stops the vehicle from rolling off in case of inclines
- Saves you 1 step by eliminating the need to disengage(in case of using the handbrake). As using the Auto hold allows you to drive off after slotting into 1st, without having to disengage the handbrake

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How it works in Alcazar is every time you start a car, you press Auto Hold button once to start it. You will see that it has been activated on your MID Screen. After that, whenever you are in traffic, just deep press the break for a second and that Auto Hold on your MID will turn green. This means that Auto Hold has been engaged and you can now take your foot off break and let your car still be in D mode. There is no need to slot it to N or P. The car will stay where it is. It will only move ahead once you press on the accelerator. It is actually really really convenient.

I have no clue how it works with engine start/stop as I do not have that feature.
I drive Mahindra XUV700 P AT, it has Autohold feature as well as Adaptive Cruise Control. I have engaged the Autohold switch once and do not have to engage it at each start of the engine. At a traffic light or in traffic if I brake and the car comes to a halt, Autohold engages, indicated by a light in the dashboard, I can lift my foot off there brake pedal, when I want to go I just press the Accelerator. In case the stop is longer the Electronic Parking Brake comes on automatically. This function is of great help.

I have not tried the Adaptive Cruise Control in city traffic but I understand that it will engage Autohold if the car in front stops, you only need to nudge the Accelerator to move when the car in front moves.
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Old 12th September 2023, 12:40   #44
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Since the time I started driving back in 1994, manual transmission were only the available gearbox for a middle class family...

Fellow BHPians what's your thought on this. I know many of you who are not residing in any metro city might not be dealing with mammoth traffic situations, but in my opinion this is very convenient feature and now it should trickle down to budget automatics also.
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And my seltos switches off engine in idle in traffic, so its already in Auto-hold mode ? Atleast it feels like in P-mode when engine is off. Or when i am in standstill i engage Auto-hold and remove my legs from brake ? Bit-Confusing
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I have no clue how it works with engine start/stop as I do not have that feature.
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Any idea how this works alongside auto stop/start feature (which is supposed to help with fuel efficiency) that's on many cars?
I have both Auto-Hold and Auto Start/Stop feature in my XUV700. I like both of these features, but they don't like each other And just to add to this, I like the creep feature as well.

Let me explain: When the car comes to a stand still, the engine switches off due to Auto Start/Stop. The engine will remain off till I remove my foot off the break. Now if I want to relax my foot in a long traffic stop, I can use the auto-hold feature. But as soon I release the break, the engine starts.
So there is no way I can have the engine off and engage Auto-hold (other than manually turning off the engine or until the manufacturer updates the software to fix this).

Situation where I engage the Auto-hold feature are:
1. Long traffic stops when the Auto Start/Stop does not turn the engine off.
2. When on an incline and I have to stop

Situations where I disengage Auto-hold feature are:
1. Slow moving traffic where the creep feature works better
2. During parking or when maneuvering in tight spaces

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Old 12th September 2023, 13:02   #45
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Re: Auto Hold: Most convenient yet neglected feature!

Auto-hold was a “dream” feature for me as I waited to upgrade to an automatic. It was highly frustrating to know that the car of my choice (Audi Q3) let go of this feature in the latest version. I dropped my plans of buying this car and went to book the previous gen X1 which was still available with few dealers only to realise that car didn’t have this feature too. I ended up buying the Q3 nonetheless and use the EPB pull as an alternative to auto hold. Ergonomically, it is some work but not much as my left hands somehow dangles right above the EPB while driving so I just have to bother my fingers. The EPB disengages the moment you press the accelerator, just like auto-hold does. For longer stops (>60s), I put in N+EPB or just P if I feel the road is fairly flat (to avoid pressure on the parking pin). Overall, while auto-hold feature was missed, the EPB workaround was decent enough for me to overlook this issue ultimately and buy the car I really liked othwerwise.

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