Re: Global NCAP puts Scorpio-N, Swift, Ignis and S-Presso through updated crash tests Quote:
Originally Posted by 07CR He also quoted GNCAP is a business, not a charity. |
I'm no expert at legal stuff but can someone please go through this document and let me know if they can make any sense of it? Quote:
Originally Posted by 07CR Same with Mahindra for XUV700. Whereas the Venue/Seltos and Carens were tested by GNCAP themselves. |
The Carens was tested at Kia's request and expense. Quote:
Originally Posted by AYP What do you have to say about the Kushaq and the Taigun? Did SAVWIPL send them to GNCAP for testing or were they tested by GNCAP themselves? |
From the press release: Quote: Note to Editors
The Volkswagen Taigun and Skoda Kushaq were tested in compliance with the requirements of Global NCAP’s voluntary test procedure.
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Originally Posted by Naparajito Yes they did, by disabling the airbags. The structure here remains the same unlike the Suzuki' of EU & India. Hope this clarifies |
Not true. The curtain airbags were definitely active in the side pole test car. With the new assessment protocols the rating is now for the model as a whole, and the side pole test is allowed if side head protection airbags are fitted to at least 30% of units produced.
While on paper the GNCAP can test whatever car they want I'm kind of shocked they would pull off a 'Swiftzkrieg' on Maruti. With funding to test three small cars they could very well have tested one Maruti - say the Swift - and two other small cars like the Grand i10 or Tata Tigor (I believe these tests were conducted before the C3 was launched). It's also very obvious now that the GNCAP and Latin NCAP wash their hands by making testing transparent (inviting manufacturer representative to observe the test and sharing raw dummy data/measurements with them) but then exercise their bias by choosing test cars to their advantage. I'm not implying the bias is monetary, it seems to be against manufacturers who don't make improvements, but it's definitely there.
In Latin America they tested Brazil's #1 seller the VW Gol only once (in 2010) and never again in the 12 years of its existence, despite the model having safety equipment bad enough for zero stars with the new protocols. Meanwhile the new VWs were showered with five stars (only once they tested the ageing VW Fox which did not end well). Meanwhile they tested its rivals the Chevrolet Onix and Ford Ka four and three times respectively with not-so-good results. Go to the discussion section on Autoblog Uruguay or Motor1 Brasil/Argentina and you'll find what is close to a Team-BHP equivalent where this has been discussed at length over the years.
One thing in this round of results is quite inexcusable: the S-Presso and Ignis got zero-star child protection ratings in India because Suzuki South Africa didn't select child restraints for the original (i.e., old protocols) tests. Quote:
Originally Posted by Keeleri_Achu Didn't even bother re running the frontal tests and reused data from couple of years back. |
That all NCAPs do. The GNCAP have done it many times in Latin America unless the manufacturer has indicated there are improvements. Euro NCAP for example very recently reassessed the Volkswagen Touran against their 2022 protocols but reused many tests from the original 2015 assessment. Quote:
Originally Posted by Naparajito Yes but the crash tests are done on the lowest variant to check the worst case scenario. Else, they could have used the top end variant. |
They did use the top variant. Even when they say 'base variant' what they really mean is variant with basic safety spec. There is no rule in the vehicle selection-sponsorship-testing-retesting protocols that the test car has to be the most affordable variant per se.
In other news, I think the Swift's results are quite reasonable. No red critical body regions in either test (unlike version exported to LAC) + optional ESC + i-Size compatible rear seats means I'll be recommending this to someone shopping in the segment.
Last edited by ron178 : 12th December 2022 at 19:03.
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