[ajmat]

Originally Posted by Safari Persona

Maybe he called them personally. Giving additional public statements would be merely for PR if that were the case.

True and he must be feeling really bad also. There are no winners in such battles. Why provide fodder to the press.

[theabstractmind]

Originally Posted by MT_Hyderabad

The forensic teams finding is so inline with my thoughts.

From what is reported, design flaw in the road is acknowledged. And good job of you having highlighted it. However, overspeeding has not been ruled out and is being investigated. So let us not conclude either way - that there was or wasn't overspeeding.

I'm yet to view the design analysis. Yet, my comments are not specific to this incident. Whichever way you look at, it is one thing to pass a slow moving truck from the left on a straight road with clear line of sight - for a few hundred metres, and totally another thing to be overtaking from left. I often see people overtaking from left (and justifying it) irrespective of whether there is a clear line of sight or not. And that is outright dangerous. And avoidable. The saddest part is that very often, accidents are reported while overtaking from left, yet people indulge in it. Only shows we are interested in putting the blame than to learn.

Also, I see many arguing in legal terms, like 120 is legal speed limit (figuratively), 133 kmph is achievable, etc. What nobody seems to understand is that the speed limit is just an indication. The judgment must come from the driver considering the traffic conditions. The speed limit is not an entitlement. As someone else posted, mindfulness is the best brake.

[rajivr1612]

There is one thing that beats me.
In a snap shared on the first page of this thread, the "protrusion" looks like as shown in snap-1



whereas in the Mid-day article in the earlier post the "protrusion" looks like in snap-2.



In snap-1 there looks like a retaining stone/vegetation merging with the "protrusion", so it is not as if it protrudes abruptly for the vehicle to come and crash into it.
So the vehicle must have jumped over this "footpath" sort of elevated area and crashed into the projected area.

[JediKnight]

Originally Posted by rajivr1612

In snap-1 there looks like a retaining stone/vegetation merging with the "protrusion", so it is not as if it protrudes abruptly for the vehicle to come and crash into it. So the vehicle must have jumped over this "footpath" sort of elevated area and crashed into the projected area.

You are right the diagram in "mid-day" is not accurate.

It seems the car Cyrus was being driven in has a long history of rash driving and traffic violations including jumping red lights and over speeding.

https://www.india.com/news/india/cyr...rules-5615545/

[Kln]

Originally Posted by Safari Persona

Maybe he called them personally. Giving additional public statements would be merely for PR if that were the case.

And yet, he has time and bandwidth to publicly put out a statement for Rakesh Jhunjhunwala. Even if it is "PR", one has to have the basic decency to mourn the demise of your colleagues publicly. It sends out a message of kindness and solidarity from a leader. Extremely petty and childish of the Tata family to behave like this.

[WorkingGuru]

Originally Posted by Nithesh_M

Does anyone find it weird that Mr.Ratan Tata is yet to say a word on this? Even till now? Not a message of condolence for his former employee and his family?

Originally Posted by Kln

And yet, he has time and bandwidth to publicly put out a statement for Rakesh Jhunjhunwala. Even if it is "PR", one has to have the basic decency to mourn the demise of your colleagues publicly. It sends out a message of kindness and solidarity from a leader. Extremely petty and childish of the Tata family to behave like this.

• He's not pretentious, like most celebrities.
• He didn't post condolences even when Karl Slym died either.
• He's from the pre-social media era, where human connect wasn't contextually like that.
• It doesn't mean as much to their generation as it may to us.

[neerajku]

Originally Posted by Kln

And yet, he has time and bandwidth to publicly put out a statement for Rakesh Jhunjhunwala. Even if it is "PR", one has to have the basic decency to mourn the demise of your colleagues publicly. It sends out a message of kindness and solidarity from a leader. Extremely petty and childish of the Tata family to behave like this.

Personally found it very disappointing. It is not that he is social media shy or away from the twitter etc. But not one word, from him is quite galling. And to top it all no-one from the group to attend the funeral when his old mother could take out time to do so. Found it vicious and vindictive, if I may Say so. In death , everywhere, people forget, condone, forgive, the worst enmity. This looked like animosity at a very different, unheard of level. Very sad.

[UD17]

Originally Posted by V.Narayan

Rear pax seat belt wearing being made compulsory in law came into force in the EU in 2006, the UK 2006, Japan 2008, Singapore 2008, USA - not yet.

In Canada (Toronto) if i am travelling with rented cab then rear seat belt are not compulsory. But if i am travelling in a private car then the rear seat belt is mandatory. In case non-compliance is found, the driver will get a violation ticket.

I do not see the safety consideration in above rationale.

[Safari Persona]

Originally Posted by Kln

And yet, he has time and bandwidth to publicly put out a statement for Rakesh Jhunjhunwala. Even if it is "PR", one has to have the basic decency to mourn the demise of your colleagues publicly. It sends out a message of kindness and solidarity from a leader. Extremely petty and childish of the Tata family to behave like this.

This seems like a very uncharitable way of looking at the situation when we really don't know what Ratan Tata is thinking or doing with his daily life right now. He is not obligated to give public statements about the death of Cyrus Mistry, so to call him petty and childish over this seems very premature, especially when he might still come out with a public statement in a short while.

[divinay]

Originally Posted by neerajku

Personally found it very disappointing. It is not that he is social media shy or away from the twitter etc. But not one word, from him is quite galling. And to top it all no-one from the group to attend the funeral when his old mother could take out time to do so. Found it vicious and vindictive, if I may Say so. In death , everywhere, people forget, condone, forgive, the worst enmity. This looked like animosity at a very different, unheard of level. Very sad.

Well, it would not be fair on our part to comment on what is perceived as "silence" on the part of Ratan Tata, who is media shy. The manner of the passing away of a colleague can be very depressing, suggest our respected members avoid such comments. Let the focus be on how road safety culture can eventually be brought about.

[Kln]

Originally Posted by WorkingGuru

• He's not pretentious, like most celebrities.
• He didn't post condolences even when Karl Slym died either.
• He's from the pre-social media era, where human connect wasn't contextually like that.
• It doesn't mean as much to their generation as it may to us.

It would bode us well to hold public personalities to a higher standard of accountability rather than defend their behaviour with biased assumptions. But that's just me I guess. Also, a simple public facing condolence message on the accidental death of one of its past leaders, from the head of one of India's largest and dare I say beloved conglomerate isn't that much to expect. It sets an example for the generation that looks up to him.

[neerajku]

Originally Posted by divinay

Well, it would not be fair on our part to comment on what is perceived as "silence" on the part of Ratan Tata, who is media shy. The manner of the passing away of a colleague can be very depressing, suggest our respected members avoid such comments. Let the focus be on how road safety culture can eventually be brought about.

When you are a hugely respected public persona some of these will come into the light and then silence and media shyness will not come into view. People will ask questions, one can ignore them at their now peril. If you are respected nay venerated, there will be qustions and judgements. Fair, unfair, tough to say. An accident is only about road safety and does not touch public graces or behaviours; well, perspective will differ from person to person. For some there will be single minded focus on safety, some will also look at soiety, its impact and so on. To each according to his or her own. This is a group discourse and all kinds of views will come and not only about seat belts alone. And if only debates on forums could bring on seat belts, we would have seen changes long long back.

[RGK]

India asks Amazon to stop selling 'seatbelt alarm blockers' - As per the Wion news

https://www.msn.com/en-in/autos/news...b7d58fa01c3f8f

OT here: - Safety Measure by TN administration

Thoppur Ghat was well renowned for accidents. The RTO and the TN government have implemented numerous preventative measures in the wake of numerous accidents. Considering that the audio is in Tamil, let me list the arguments they have made.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2cYj6oD9Rc

-~ 30k Vehicles per day connecting KA, TN and KL
- Black Spot of TN Highway
- 2km stretch from Kattamedu to Police Checkpost is highly vulnerable
- 10 years - 558 accidents (224 precious lives lost)

After working for 9 months, the below steps were taken.

-One of the causes of accidents is darkness.
- 9000 reflectors
- 30 Warning lights
- 100 Solar lights
- 2 High Mast lights were fitted

This reduced accidents by 20%, although large vehicles continued to have accidents.

RTO himself travelled this distance in a 14-wheel truck with a full load and gave the driving recommendation.

-- Drive at 30 km speed in 2nd gear

This was published in all news dailies and media. In order to locate the overspeeding automobiles, radar guns are deployed. This led to reduction of accidents up to 90%

Even at that point, accidents persisted through the night. L&T administration constructed a special lane for large vehicles to park in and check their vacuum brake booster on the suggestion of Salem district AC and drivers are advised to drive in second gear. (< 30km speed).

Another study was conducted by a private college with the assistance of experienced drivers, and they suggested building a bridge to avoid this slope.

The TN administration and L&T have done a really fantastic job on this.

Sincerely hope that the relevant authorities (NHAI, GOI, Contractor, District Administration) in our country treat every accident seriously and implement the necessary safeguards for each and every traveller.

[Amrik Singh]

Sad accident and as usual, fact finding committees. Their exhaustive efforts will be put on reports, which eventually will take dust and probably would be referred when next high profile accident occurs.
Already hints on likely cause e.g. faulty bridge design or involvement of some heavy vehicle. But ignoring the human error - overspeeding. At an hour of the day when most of the humans should be in bed after a hard days work. We are being made to look around while the clear evidence is lying in front of us.

[vaibhavyagnik]

Originally Posted by RGK

The TN administration and L&T have done a really fantastic job on this.

That is how governments should function. Identify a problem> work out of solution>observe if it leads to improvement> improve further if necessary. Commendable job by them. Just goes to show that only thing needed is willingness to work.