[fhdowntheline]

Originally Posted by ron178

I wish! Unfortunately, unlike many other NCAPs where most of the testing is paid for by manufacturers, very few manufacturers agree to sponsor tests for Safer Cars for India despite the limited assessments.

I'd rather that NCAP stays independent of sponsorship to avoid any kind of conflict of interest.

[Kochikaran]

Originally Posted by delusional_fool

These ratings are very worrisome (especially as a Hyundai owner) and it seems clear that Hyundai/Kia doesn't really care about safety in these regions.

Also is there a huge difference between Latin NCAP and Global NCAP? Only one car out of the tested 12 cars has > 1 star ratings in Latin NCAP (Volkswagen Taos) so wondering if Latin NCAP is very stringent.

I think some truths about Global NCAP ratings were pointed out recently by auto enthusiasts Jayd and Vivek

[SoumenD]

Is latin NCAP more stringent than GNCAP? Even if not the result isn’t really surprising. Infact it only certifies the fact that Hyundai/Kia treats all 3rd world countries equally

Originally Posted by theAutomaniac

Unsurprisingly, even in the Latin American market just like India, Hyundai has poorer safety than Suzuki vehicles! The Hyundai Verna tested here has lesser safety equipment than the recently tested Latin American Suzuki Swift and Baleno!
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Think about this, a Hyundai sedan has lower safety equipment and poorer safety score than 2 smaller and lighter Suzukis from a lower segment! How low are you going to stoop Hyundai?

True, I feel we are uselessly harsh only on Maruti when it comes to safety. Hyundai infact has proven its worse.

[dsr001]

Off topic: The thread deserves a better headline on the front page. The current one is in bad taste.

[gururajrv]

Hyundai’s vision is clear - they want to number one in sales and volume wise. Never thought it had hidden agenda when they thought of this by compromising the build quality to these mediocre levels! Basically, Hyundai is richer version of Maruti Suzuki both in terms of quality & safety standards now.

I’ve been ruthlessly harsh on Maruti for providing cheap built cars while totally ignoring Hyundai just because they provided quality products. But, god was I so wrong?!

What’s with good engine & gearbox combination if the structure built around it isn’t safe at all for consumers? We’ve to blame the law and consumers that is ourselves for shelling out money on these companies for providing feature rich and frugal cars rather than encouraging those companies that provide safer cars.

[vijaykr]

I feel expecting Indian auto manufacturers to provide the same levels of car safety they do in developed or other markets voluntarily is unlikely to materialize. As several folks have mentioned here, these are businesses with a profit motive.

Our govt needs to revise and mandate the safety requirements more frequently and move away from looking at this industry mainly as a cash cow for taxation.

The buyer mindset of changing albeit slowly and we can all see the difference in the last couple of years. This is a long road and a car is still an aspirational item for a majority. Probably that drives the thought process around mileage, features, looks, service availability and finally safety.

I'm optimistic though that with our local manufacturers leading the way of late, things will get better.

[balenoed]

I'm utterly disappointed to see Hyundai/KIA's results in these tests but it doesn't come as a surprise after the disappointing GNCAP tests for several 'Made For India' Hyundai's as already mentioned by the esteemed members in this thread.

Although I'm equally disappointed in Maruti/Suzuki's build quality and questionable safety in their Indian models, I couldn't help but noticed that several of the "popular" automotive websites were pushing the news of Suzuki Baleno's 0 stars in Latin NCAP like the result was for Indian markets. They were written in such a way, a layman would just think that this is applicable on Indian markets. I'm not sure if they would do the same for these tests.

[Ays7]

I do not think Hyundai or Maruti are even apologetic about the quality of cars they build. Time and again tests have proved that these cars are at best 'tin cans' loaded with fancy features.

As long as they have a willing market ready to lap up whatever cars they have to offer, there is little incentive for them to change.

It will be a long time before customer behaviour will have any meaningful impact on the sales of these cars or reputation of both the companies. If this forum is any indicator, people are slowly but surely becoming safety conscious, and there will be a time when people will start demanding safer cars from them. Though that time does seem to be far away.

Therefore, in absence of any regulatory changes introduced by Government, which these companies will fight tooth and nail, there is no incentive for these companies to offer safer cars in Indian markets.

I remember reading R C Bhargava's interview (Former CEO of Maruti Suzuki) a few years back where he said that if Government forced safety features on cars like two airbags, it would drive up the costs of entry level cars and people would opt for two wheelers instead, and that cars were safer than two-wheelers. With such mindset, changes will be hard to make.

As many have pointed out, Hyundai indeed gets away with making unsafe cars in India and does not get same hate that Maruti does. I hope increasing safety awareness among the buyers can change that arrogance.

[mytbhp_turbo]

This has gone beyond "let them understand", I believe next best option is "govt should enforce".
Look at what safety standard Hyundai Provides in Australia



https://www.ancap.com.au/about-ancap

I still remember news when duster provided smaller airbags to Indian variant

https://www.outlookindia.com/website...gn-vari/298831

Will car manufacturer's dare to take India for granted if govt enforces safety ratings ? like they did for 2 airbags and ABS compulsory rule.

[snappysam]

Originally Posted by Kochikaran

I think some truths about Global NCAP ratings were pointed out recently by auto enthusiasts Jayd and Vivek

Jayd & Vivek called out some very important pointers in their video which was critical of how GNCAP ran their testing processes. After I went through the video, it seemed apparent to me that GNCAP is not very transparent.

That video was shared earlier on some other thread on team-bhp. A very interesting video.

[greyhound82]

Originally Posted by Kochikaran

I think some truths about Global NCAP ratings were pointed out recently by auto enthusiasts Jayd and Vivek

Originally Posted by snappysam

Jayd & Vivek called out some very important pointers in their video which was critical of how GNCAP ran their testing processes.

I saw their video but seems it went to conspiracy theories with out backing of any proper data or homework.
This is what our esteemed member ron178 has replied for that discussion in the following thread and am quoting only the relevant section. Interested people kindly go through the discussion in the thread to know more about GNCAP

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/road-...plained-3.html (Global NCAP crash tests | Broken down & explained)

'UK-based nonprofit' is true, though when portrayed like that I think it might sound a bit misleading.

When one says 'Global NCAP is a UK-based nonprofit', it seems like it's some sort of a company who's coming out of the blue and crash testing cars from random markets. It's really not. The people responsible for Global NCAP have been involved with Euro NCAP and others for a very long time.

I know Max Mosley was a controversial figure for whatever reasons there may be (I'm not quite clear about them since I'm not into Formula 1) but you have to remember that he was Global NCAP Chairman from the start until 2017, and this is the same person who helped found Euro NCAP and served as its President from 1997 to 2004.

Similarly with Mr David Ward, current Global NCAP President, who campaigned against dilution of proposed regulatory crash test standards in the EU in the nineties (which today are known as UN R94, R95 etc. and are now applied in many countries around the world including India albeit modified as AIS-098 and 099), then in 1996 helped set up Euro NCAP and served on its board for ten years.

So this is really nothing new. Global NCAP may have been founded just in 2011 and yes, it may be a 'UK-based non-profit' but you have to remember that the people behind it have a lot of experience in the area and know well how to deal with manufacturers and manufacturer associations.

[Herschey]

Hyundai/ Kia want to leave no stone unturned in beating MSIL in all possible criterion; be it features, bling, pricing, or lack of safety.

[Vignesh Vee]

Originally Posted by greyhound82

I saw their video but seems it went to conspiracy theories with out backing of any proper data or homework.

Apart from Xuv300's side impact test, origin, and motive of Global ncap, the rest everything they mentioned in the video is right. And I am the one who pointed out the manipulation that happened on Swift's report.

[Lobogris]

People need to keep in mind that Latin NCAP is far more stringent than GNCAP. Most of the cars sold in India would get zero stars there as well apart from some CBUs.

[romeomidhun]

Was wondering why not many are concerned about the Hyundai / Kia safety ratings (C-segment sedans and D-segment SUVs are rated 0!), while people were shouting from the rooftop about the poor rating of A and B segment Renaults and Suzukis. There were people who said "Swift may be the world's first 'Minus 5' star car"! Not seeing any such people and influencers here! Have they seen this news? If so, they can at least mark their concern by thanking the opening post!

Is it like "people are raising their voice for safety only if the manufacturer or car is not to their liking, and otherwise, it is acceptable" - like SVP?

Let's be fair to all manufacturers and cars. Let's not become blind by the blings provided in some cars. Let our opinions bout cars are not based on our like or dislike towards them.