[JoeMichael]

This is a welcome move and in my opinion long overdue. Have been having few discussions around this and typical argument seems to be our roads are bad , infra is poor , monitoring systems are bad so first fix that before penalizing. My counter argument is the because of the above short comings its more important that we adhere to the laws of the land. In an ideal scenario , monitoring mechanisms should be redundant with people following the laws and enforcement machinery can be utilized for more critical uses. Its not like people go - ATM was not working and I am short of cash so i'll pick pocket , let them fix all ATMs before charging me. Or nobody is watching so let me smash somebody's window.

In a city like bangalore , if the fear of fine / increased bribe can cut down wrong side driving , wrong parking , signal jumping , lane indiscipline by even 10-15% that will ease the road blocks to a notable extend as well.

I've been driving with a license for 19 years and before legal age (my bad , was immature) for 5 years. I have been fined 5 times yet

1) Electronic City Fly over - Over speeding (Was doing 85)
2) Walayar - Over speeding ( Was doing 78)
3) Cubbon park - M.G Road junction - Jumping red signal - not my error , BMTC bus cut the lanes and I was caught in no man's land

4) Devanahalli - Over speeding (Was doing 90)
5) Kochi - Insurance copy missing (Had kept old insurance copy by mistake)

I might get caught for speeding by exceeding limits by single digits , but really not too bothered about the same.

[moralfibre]

So here are some of the traffic penalty challans being doled out:







Traffic fines should act as a deterrent. And deter they should. People that get pulled up for violations should be fined so heavily that they do not remotely think about breaking the law. I have never been harassed on the road ever since I tend to ensure all my documents are up to date. My car isn't modified, I don't use a sunfilm and in general. I choose to abide by the word of law than my convenient understanding of it.

Having driven extensively in California and the US in general, these signs are a clear show of deterrence and I am yet to see people complain about them. The rules exist for your own safety and more importantly of those around you. Overall it helps make our society better.

Whether cops should be pulled up for corruption and whether civic authorities should be fined for infrastructure inadequacies is a different topic altogether and should not be mixed up.






Source: Whatsapp and wikipedia

[airbus]

This morning I went to get my Pollution Under Control (PUC) certificate renewed. Looking at the queue at the centre where I got my PUC certificate renewed and another centre on my way, I realized that increase in fines is creating an impact on people.

[alpha1]

Lets see how many of these challans are for the unionized folks like autorickshaw drivers, commercial vehicles etc.

[SS-Traveller]

This Tweet pretty much sums up my thoughts about the new penalties under the MV Act:

[Axe77]

I am mostly VERY compliant with the law and a stickler for most rules barring a few bad habits or some aspects I'll have to be more mindful of.

1. PUC: My cars are always overmaintained but I do not always track puc expiry dates. Will have to not only make sure I have done it but it's also kept safely in each vehicle.

2. Exceeding speed limits. Again, I am anything but rash but I am sure I do not comply with speed limits to their letter. On highways in particular I do like to drive fast. Much less so in the city.

3. Talking on the phone. This is definitely a bad habit I have even though I use car Bluetooth.

4. Ensuring copies of all papers are available in the car so cops do not get a chance to harass.

Other than this I cannot see anything I should be wary off. I follow signals even at the oddest hours. Stop behind stop lines. Park properly. Do not lane cut. Signal. And am always cautious in the given traffic conditions.

[Sheel]

Originally Posted by Axe77

1. PUC: My cars are always overmaintained but I do not always track puc expiry dates. Will have to not only make sure I have done it but it's also kept safely in each vehicle.

We have a 6 month PUC issued here. I feed the date on calendar of my phone for ~170 days, get it done before the date expires, you may try this hack .

I always remember insurance renewals as it coincides with the ride's birthday which I cannot forget [hopelessly hoping my wife doesn't see this post]

[sanjbmw2001]

On a lighter note - the poll as about 290 votes for rarely/not breaking the law. I suspect this may the case of not getting caught rather than obeying the law.

[avira_tk]

Originally Posted by alpha1

Lets see how many of these challans are for the unionized folks like autorickshaw drivers, commercial vehicles etc.

This is the enhanced harassment of private vehicle owners act, these fines simply don't reflect income reality in this country. The bribes are going to be astronomical going forward, if you think you won't be harassed because you observe the rules, you're in for a rude awakening.

MP and Rajasthan have chosen common sense over grandstanding.

[GrammarNazi]

Today I saw an old man sitting on the curb of a main road, having a weak moment, his wife standing by & consoling him.

He was holding a traffic challan - which (going by his simple two wheeler) I understand he'll afford only at the cost of too many sacrifices.

I was heartbroken.

Guys, heartfelt request - we need to help fellow citizens comply with the new rules. The penalties are here to stay (apparently Nitin Gadkari has given a statement saying so), so please do keep hard copies of all your documents. Traffic police won't accept Driving Licence on your Digi-Locker app if he/she suspects that you've broken a rule.

[SR-71]

Am all in for these hefty fines. But I have a query. If someone is using a number plate illegally and is caught on camera and a hefty fine slapped, I wonder what the person who owns the vehicle that bears the real number plate will do? If the vehicle make differs it’s easy to prove the issue, but if the vehicle matches the description, one is going to have a tough time with the problem. Does the government have a proper solution for that? As in most government initiatives I guess not. Our traffic courts are probably one of the worst in the world, so this is one aspect where I must disagree any comparison to what happens in developed nations. And IMHO, until such a time where they have an efficient system in place to address such issues, I believe they should restrict these hefty fines to spot fines.

[comfortablynumb]

Originally Posted by SR-71

Does the government have a proper solution for that? As in most government initiatives I guess not.

Seems this phenomenon could be more common than we think:

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/india...ber-plate.html (Registration Number fraud! Someone else using my number plate)

Just hope and pray it doesn't happen to you.

Cheers,
Vikram

[Thebat]

Originally Posted by GrammarNazi

Today I saw an old man sitting on the curb of a main road, having a weak moment, his wife standing by & consoling him.

He was holding a traffic challan - which (going by his simple two wheeler) I understand he'll afford only at the cost of too many sacrifices.

I was heartbroken.

Guys, heartfelt request - we need to help fellow citizens comply with the new rules. The penalties are here to stay (apparently Nitin Gadkari has given a statement saying so), so please do keep hard copies of all your documents. Traffic police won't accept Driving Licence on your Digi-Locker app if he/she suspects that you've broken a rule.

The old man might have to pay a hearty fine now but going forward he will surely ride carefully and try to follow the applicable rules. Imagine if he continued in the same way, he would have had to pay with his life if something untoward happened, he should thank god that he only had to sacrifice money and not his or his pillions life.

Digi-Locker copies are accepted no matter what the situation. The cops cannot be selective about when and where to use digital resources according to their convenience.

I do not understand the problem we have with following rules. A person should not drive or ride if he is incapable of following rules , they would be putting both their and other road users lives on the line by doing so.

[FrodoOfTheShire]

Originally Posted by alpha1

Lets see how many of these challans are for the unionized folks like autorickshaw drivers, commercial vehicles etc.

Here's one from Bhubaneswar!

...in Bhubneswar where a drunk auto-rickshaw driver was fined ₹47,500 while he was driving his second-hand auto-rickshaw without any documents.

The drunk driver was fined ₹47,500 by the Bhubaneswar transport department for driving without a valid permit, licence, registration and under various sections of the amended Motor Vehicles Act which came into effect on Sunday, an official said here.

Link

[GrammarNazi]

Originally Posted by Thebat

The old man might have to pay a hearty fine now but going forward he will surely ride carefully and try to follow the applicable rules. Imagine if he continued in the same way, he would have had to pay with his life if something untoward happened, he should thank god that he only had to sacrifice money and not his or his pillions life.

I seriously don't care for this holy attitude. WHERE in my post have I (or the old person himself) justified any violation !?

Digi-Locker copies are accepted no matter what the situation. The cops cannot be selective about when and where to use digital resources according to their convenience.

I personally cross checked with the traffic police at that signal while waiting for the green light. He was preventing people jumping a signal. Apparently they're exercising restraint temporarily & will apply the rules more stringently as time goes. He further said they've been ordered to demand the original drivers licence smart card from anyone who jumps the signal. This includes anyone whom they even suspect to have violated the signal.

I do not understand the problem we have with following rules. A person should not drive or ride if he is incapable of following rules , they would be putting both their and other road users lives on the line by doing so.

Again, why this holy attitude to jump at someone who has NOT justified a violation?

I'm merely asking for people to ensure that they keep original drivers licence (which I was told by the cop will be required by order).