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4th April 2019, 11:08 | #16 |
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| Re: Apathy of people in India Happy to report, Mumbai is much better in this aspect. When any road accident happens, people come to help quickly. I have seen and experienced it lot of times. Two years back, I had a bike accident on a rainy day. I do remember, at least 8 to 10 people (including fellow riders) came immediatly to help. City like Mumbai, where time is money. People have emphathy towards the injured person and willingness to help. |
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4th April 2019, 11:33 | #17 | |
BHPian | Re: Apathy of people in India Quote:
As for the why part, well like many other things with us, it's complicated, I guess. We remember things we see. All around us, on the mobile, in the news, we just see videos of accidents and people recording videos of them. We rarely see videos where people are actually helping people. Maybe they just don't sell, so they aren't aired nor forwarded. Deep inside, we all know, as humans we need to help. But there's that inner 'desi' mind that starts cooking up excuses like "they were driving fast and deserved it" and any number of them for which we should be ashamed. That's not how we were, if our history was correct. On another note, we wanted world-class automobiles and we're getting them. World-class roads? well, we got them at some places so no matter even if it's foggy we can drive at inane speeds and crash into one another like it's some stupid video game. Only that we can't restart the game. But what about the maintenance and availability of emergency response units? Why aren't we demanding them? We all know that we need to dial 100 for police. Why don't we remember the number for the ambulance and why aren't they in huge number on all roads so they'll be at the accident site in no time? Given the complicated system we have where development is always a tug of war, it'll take time. So friends, An accident is called an accident for a reason. No one wants it. So unless it's a really bad one where handling the victim is going to do more damage, let's do what we can to help them. Being really honest, we never know when we might end up in that state, so it doesn't hurt being a little selfish. Help someone today so we might get help tomorrow when in need. Last edited by suhaas307 : 4th April 2019 at 15:44. Reason: Spacing | |
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4th April 2019, 11:56 | #19 |
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| Re: Apathy of people in India I somehow feel the topic of what to do in case of road accident should be included in the school curriculum and made mandatory for all schools/universities to follow. The topic should include both the incident handling steps like how to handle the accident victims, first aid, CPR, etc along with legal aspects on your rights and legal process in case an individual helps the victim. It is not always advisable to pick the victim from the accident spot and shift them to the hospital in an auto or car as that might be fatal for the victim if not handled well. Instead, one should call an ambulance and let a medical expert take care of the situation. All these important things should be taught from an early stage and must be repeated again at the graduate and post-graduate studies. |
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4th April 2019, 12:38 | #20 |
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| Re: Apathy of people in India Hi I have lived half my life near NH45 and saved many lives. my car was even called as an ambulance by my office colleagues. Police harassment is something I have never faced nor hospital refusing treatment. Especially after the supreme court order. But with advent of mobile phones and need for capturing everything in it is the reason this poor state of affairs as far my observation goes. And people don't know how save people from wreckage. Fear of fire due to explosion can be related to car accidents. Motorcycle accidents gets attended more quickly is what I have seen |
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4th April 2019, 12:57 | #21 | |
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We also need awareness and training for the police as most of them are not even aware of traffic rules and basic safety techniques. For example, you can see police vehicles parked on the road and people drive on the wrong side right in front of them. The police don't seem to consider it a serious issue at all. Similarly people stop and stand on the highways and the police are oblivious to it. We often see the police responding to an accident on a fast moving highway and they park their vehicle on the other side, beyond the accident rather than using their vehicle's emergency lights to indicate danger ahead for the rest of the traffic. There are countless examples of this lack of awareness on the part of the police where training and guidance can help. For instance, each patrol vehicle, even of normal police, should be required to issue at least 5 citations for wrong side driving per hour if they were not involved in any other emergency response. For hours they just sit on the roadside and people have no fear of them at all. It would be super easy for them to cite a few people per hour for some basic offenses. In addition, it can lead to many criminals being caught while they check the identification during traffic stops. In the US, most criminals are caught during traffic stops. | |
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I don't want to sound too harsh, but having lived in Delhi-NCR for close to 22 years, I have never seen people helping the injured out of the way. Again, I am clueless, if it's a cultural problem, lack of empathy or absolute arrogance. I hope, wish and pray better sense prevails and people develop empathy towards their fellow riders/drivers on the road. Quote:
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Coming to your point of 'desi' mindset, this is what I want to change. People should treat an accident as accident. Nobody wants to get involved in an accident, it happens due to an error. Before passing judgements, people should realise that this can happen with anybody on the road. People need to have empathy and willingness to help on the road, that's about it! Quote:
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To everybody who praised my father for helping the injured, I want to thank all of you from the bottom of my heart. When I got to know about what he did, I was super proud of him, but extremely upset for the attitude that was shown by other people around him. By sharing this experience, I wanted to highlight the importance of how empathy and timely help can save a life. I hope the ones who read this, understand my point of view and vow to become better citizens. Warm Regards | |||||||
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4th April 2019, 14:04 | #23 |
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It's not a maybe situation, unfortunately. While it is easy to post some text on a website 15 years later, the running around to court, engaging with lawyers and dealing with harassing cops just because I helped someone who was literally the perpetrator is very hard to digest and come to terms with. |
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4th April 2019, 14:07 | #24 |
BHPian | Re: Apathy of people in India Thanks for sharing this incident and starting this thread! People doing nothing and just clicking pictures and videos of the accident are just shameless and pathetic. That just boils down to mindset and lack of humanity. As for others who ask you not to help, that might be due to their own past experiences of harrassment or they've heard of near dear ones facing such harrassment and hence are wary, but by no means should they ask someone else not to help! Police harrassment, mob violence and even the victim turning against the helper for monetary benefits are rampant in our country. My grandfather (even my mother!) still fondly remembers his younger days when people were more friendly, trusting and helping by nature. Nowadays very few people care and many are wary due to scams/frauds. Few months back, 2 (drunken?) youths on a scooter suddenly came infront of my car cutting across it at a junction. I was at very slow speeds, almost starting from standstill, hence there wasn't any damage or injury to anyone. There was absolutely no fault of mine, but since those 2 guys had fallen down along with their scooter, I and my friend immediately got down from the car and helped them up. Those 2 guys, thankfully admitted it was their mistake and we went our ways. When I posted about this incident on my Facebook group, others said I shouldn't have got down to help them as you never know how those guys would've reacted or a mob would've assembled and made things worse for me. Infact I still shudder to think what would've happened if it was 2 girls instead of guys on that scooter! I surely would've been thrashed by "knights in shining armour" emerging from the crowd. So I guess all this reluctance to be humane and help some stranger in need, not just in case of accident but in every situation, has mostly been brought by scams/frauds/harrassment that has robbed people of their morality. As for those pathetic "dharti ke bojhh" who click pictures/videos of these accidents instead of helping, I wish I had one of these gadgets! |
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4th April 2019, 14:33 | #25 | |
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I have told this elsewhere in this forum and I don't mind repeating this - My dad is alive today just because of the helmet and a good Samaritan who took him to the hospital at the right time. Way before mobile phones (in 1991/2), when my dad was riding his Rajdhoot to office, he was hit by a truck very badly that he was in coma for the next 24 hours. He was immediately rushed to a local hospital by this gentleman. Then, he somehow tracked our address and came home to inform my mom. My dad was then shifted to CMC, Vellore for further treatment. Two things from that incident that I always tell people - 1. Wear helmet (or, of course seat-belt) 2. Be a good Samaritan. Last edited by callvvijay : 4th April 2019 at 14:37. | |
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4th April 2019, 14:54 | #26 |
BHPian | Re: Apathy of people in India Hats off to your Dad for doing the right thing! I know the apathy and kindness (both) of people first hand. Way back in 2010 my brother was involved in a hit and run incident near Sakinaka Andheri in which he and his friend was hit by a speeding Scorpio which jumped the signal and hit them. His friend was knocked unconscious and brother got his leg broken in 3 parts. No body was coming forward and he eventually called me up almost crying in pain that he was in an accident (I cant share that feeling in words) and I was like 30 kms away in CBD belapur. There was a Doctor on the way to his clinic he helped the unconscious guy and asked somebody from the crowd to help my brother and a person (only 1) came forward to help and carried him in an Auto. I thanked both of the persons and told them that i cannot repay the debt they have over me. I always try to slow down and see if my help is required in any such incident but I am happy to say that Pune has a lot more empathetic population and people do help out, also I have seen cops praising and helping the good Samaritans here. In short I would say people do help and only few are sick making videos or clicking pictures of the accident victim. |
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4th April 2019, 15:59 | #27 |
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| Re: Apathy of people in India The one thing that unites us all, transcending all barries, cutting across religion, socio-economic status and educational background, is a complete lack of civic sense. Where in India do you find people forming a queue without being told to do so, respecting public facilities, following traffic rules without enforcement or heck, even holding a door open for someone else? It's this same attitude that also comes into play when helping an accident victim. It's always a selfish me-first mentality and that's why the possibility of paperwork and "harassment" by the cops is somehow more important than saving a human life. Oh and of course, let's not forget you don't want to dirty the car's perfect leather seats by transporting a victim or the Facebook likes you get by taking a video of someone in pain. I used to think that it would change over one or two generations but barring a few good apples here and there, the majority of the basket is rotten to the core. |
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4th April 2019, 18:37 | #28 |
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| Re: Apathy of people in India What else do you expect from these subhumans? Don't you see how carelessly most of the people in our country live? Why do you assume that these people would have any sort of respect or remorse for someone else's life when they doesn't even respect their own? I am honestly really happy after reading what your father did but at the same time it makes me feel sad that there's only a few people like him left in this country. |
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4th April 2019, 18:43 | #29 |
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| Re: Apathy of people in India Proud to say that in my hometown Trivandrum accident victims are almost 100% sure to get immediate help. But that was not the case before. I remember in 1998 when I was a school kid, one of my school mate studying in 6th standard was involved in an accident. He lay on the road bleeding to death for 45 minutes. 45 minutes a small kid was lying bleeding at Overbridge Junction at heart of Trivandrum City and no one helped. No cops, no office goers, no travellers from the nearby bus stand or railway station, no one from the nearby shops and establishments, no one from the nearby school... At the remembrance meeting held at our school later on our Principal, a Priest spoke at length about the importance of helping accident victims and I am sure the same will be in the hearts of all 1000 of us boys who were present there... |
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4th April 2019, 18:58 | #30 |
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| Re: Apathy of people in India I will tell you why we lack sympathy? Let's read a story first. A person (Let's call him "Ashok") met with an accident and was lying on road in need of help. Another person (let's call him "Bittu") was passing through that road on his scooter and saw him and took him to the hospital. He called up Ashok's family. When the family arrived, they thanked him for the help and all. They even exchanged their address/Contact details and Bittu left the hospital feeling proud of himself. A few days later, Bittu had police on his door with a hit and run case against him. Apparently, Ashok had complained in his statement to police that Bittu had hit him with his scooter before he took him to hospital. Ashok wanted some compensation to settle the matter or else the case will have to go to court. Bittu was confident that he was on the right side of the law and agreed to go to court. The court case dragged on for some 15 odd years where Bittu had to regularly go to court causing unnecessary expenses and inconvenience. Finally, Bittu had to offer some money as on out of court settlement with Ashok to get rid of the hassle which was much more than Ashok had asked for initially. This is a real-life story. My father is a lawyer and he had this case. So the point is, in our country, whatever be the law, the police and judicial system drains out any sane person. For people like Ashok, they only had Bittu as an easy target who was present at the scene with no eyewitness. Clearly, he didn't deserve to be helped. Do you think Bittu or anyone related to the story would be helping another Ashok ever again? I am not saying all people are like Ashok but you don't know who is. I have heard of cases where suppose there is a hit and run case and they couldn't note down the number of the vehicle involved, they just note down the number of some other vehicle present there in the FIR. Now that vehicle driver is harassed and has to prove his innocence. The world is a dirty place. That's why most people stay away from accident victims even with the good samaritan law. |
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