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WOW. That was a bad impact! Was it an automatic? Hope the two are unhurt.

Looks like somebody has given his car to a friend for a driving lesson on an empty road.

Says a lot about the construction quality of that wall. All the spikes mean nothing if I can simply kick it down :D

This accident had happened at Yavatmal, which is near Mumbai and the car in question is Kia Seltos!

As per the owner of the vehicle,

This is the brand new Kia Seltos, which got rammed into the divider and flipped. The co-driver was injured, while, luckily, the rest 2 in the car are safe and the owner stated that the airbags had worked properly during this accident.

Even after this brutal accident, the cabin of the Seltos still looks intact without any damage and the body had borne the brunt well. I feel that GNCAP should give another chance to the Kia for sending the Seltos to crash test by improving the structure and add some additional safety features in lower variants in order to get higher safety rating!

And, even though the Seltos had scored 3 stars in GNCAP rating, I still feel that Seltos has good build quality, and, even in real-life accidents, the passengers, who were traveling in Seltos, had survived and were escaped with minor injuries.

Source- Rushlane Crashlane and Seltos India(Owners) Group in FB

Dashcam is a must

https://youtu.be/d_WL5MhEntU

Dashcam is definitely a savior in this case. Flipside the XUV driver as well seems to be at fault here by driving the car in the night on a single lane road while his right side headlight is not functioning. (Didn't even notice the hazard switched on, nor was he using the dim & dip signalling)

This could have mislead the two wheeler and making him assume the opposite vehicle is a 2 wheeler and not a four wheeler.

Biker must have not noticed that big trailer that had no tail lamps, and hence urgently moved to opposite lane to evade the truck. Poor fellow.

I think we are jumping the gun here, because the XUV driver also is at fault.

The XUV's right side headlight doesn't seem to be working and this could have made the 2 wheeler rider think that it was a 2 wheeler and he would have thought to squeeze through it.

This makes the XUV driver equally accountable for this accident.

I am more appalled at the quality of boundary wall pillar. It looks like it has been merely placed on top of the surface.

No offense to you(and sincere apologies in advance if my post causes any offense to you) but the kind of defensive and evasive behaviour I witness from Seltos fanboys regarding its safety after the GNCAP fiasco is simply beyond my comprehension. Why is it so difficult for such people to accept that the Seltos has lesser structural integrity than a so-called Maruti tincan "Ertiga"? Coming to the crash at hand, we do not know the speed of the vehicle at impact nor the number of flips it had. Even then, it is plainly visible that the left rear portion of the vehicle has caved in by a lot. The entire monocoque chassis of the vehicle has been twisted out of alignment. This is not a behaviour which will be seen in any vehicle with a supposedly good build quality. If anything, this goes on to show that not only does the Seltos show sub-par performance in a frontal collision, it is as bad if not worse in a roll-over scenario as well.

It will be better for the Seltos owners(who purchased the vehicle before the GNCAP tests) to simply accept the unstable structural integrity of their vehicles and move on for the sake of their mental health. I guess it's not easy to live with the fact that your ₹21 Lakh vehicle is about as safe as Swift but there is nothing they can do about it. This sort of defensive behaviour is getting really cringey now.

End of rant.

P.S: Mods, please delete this post of it is offensive or off-topic in nature.

On what basis is the statement "cabin is intact" made ? it isn't. Towards the rear, the left has caved-in properly (clue - look how the roof in the rear tailgate has folded up) - the unibody/monocoque is bent, not just sheet metal. This signals to not-that-great bending/torsional rigidity. According to me, this car is total-loss, since the unibody is bent. The picture provides absolutely no reassurance to people who might hope that the seltos is indeed well built. It isn't.

The OP did say as per the owner of the vehicle before making any comments on the build quality of the car, which allows for the possibility that the following paragraphs may represent what the owner of the vehicle narrated, not necessarily OP's own thoughts, meaning that the explanation may be falling on deaf ears (unless the owner of the vehicle frequents team-bhp). That said, if these are indeed OP's own thoughts, I don't know what to say.

There is something amiss in the case of Seltos crash. It can't be just a divider jump and flip. There is a really huge impact on this section of the car, which is not being talked about:


I am no accident expert, but looking at the pics of the Seltos, it is clear that the car is hit by something and landed sideways on the softer surface, it's not a complete 360 degree flip either.

The bend in the roof is also probably for the same reason. Looking at the way the main impact is focused in such a small area, it is hard to believe that it's just a divider jump and flip. With the glasses being intact, everything else being in place, if the roof section is bent like this on just a flip, then it's very much concerning. But if it's due to a large impact, then I would give the benefit of doubt to Kia.

That said, when a Kia crashes, entire digital community comes to protect them, still I won't question our fellow BHPian, until it's clear if the words written by him are his own words or a direct opinion sharing from the page where the pictures and the content has been taken from.

Multiple times, especially after their true face has been exposed, it looks like Kia PR and marketing department works for extra hours just to promote the events and stories in which the Kia cars have done well in crashes, and it is well evident in our entire auto media too.

Here is another example, which I have picked up from another thread, I have taken this up because whenever any Kia crash or any question on the safety of a Kia car arises, looks like the language used to answer them all is always similar (That too by none other, but Hormazd Sorabjee) :Cheering:
Link to original post: https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/road-...ml#post5013689

Fault of XUV driver: Driving with high beam with oncoming traffic, and one headlight being defunct. I believe that he must have kept his fog lamp ON to make sure that the oncoming traffic knows about his presence as a 4 wheeler.

Fault of biker: It's a narrow road even by single carriageway standards, and he was overtaking a truck with a vehicle approaching, no matter even if its a two wheeler, he was supposed to have some patience.

Who is more at fault?
Biker IMO, XUV driver has issue with a light, but he is actually driving well and is in his lane too. No matter if the XUV is right or wrong, the biker was in a place where he was not supposed to be.

I recall one case when we were in class 12th. A friend had hit a cop with his car and the cop had faced some injury. When they went to seek the advise from a well known advocate, the advocate simply told them to go for compromise without much bargain. Why? Advocate said, "without a license, your son wasn't supposed to be behind the wheel on a public road itself. Doesn't matter who was at fault, your son was in a place where he was not allowed to be by the government, hence he is only at fault". I would treat the biker with the same login in this case, he saw the vehicle approaching, doesn't matter what was wring with XUV, the biker came into a place where he wasn't supposed to be.

I agree with you

Also, I'd like to add a point over what others have said(I may be wrong through)

The dashcam's image sensors are usually very tiny and won't capture alot of light during the night and especially when there's opposite light(headlight from vehicles in the opposite lanes). This makes the video very dim and does not represent what is being shown exactly.

Like you see in the attached image, you can see some light throw from the right side too



The bright light what people see on the bottom left should be of some aftermarket fog lamp(assuming by it's very less coverage) or a misaligned headlamp.

The recorded average speed of the 4 wheelers seems to be at around 70-80kmph on the completely unlit single lane road. I doubt the scooty the motorcyclist was on is even capable of such speeds let alone getting there quickly for an overtake by jumping into the middle of the opposite lane.

He should have driven defensively at a manageable speed(like the other motorcyclists which gave way for the XUV to overtake earlier in the video) and should have overtaken the truck when he has a good view of the road ahead with no vehicles in the opposite lane

No offense to you, but, sorry to say that the Seltos or Kia fanboys might be cringy(at least they had accepted the fact that Seltos got 3 stars in GNCAP but still happy with their vehicles even after the result) but, Tata fanboys are more cringy and toxic and irritating as well when compared to the Kia fanboys. Whenever a crash or a brutal accident happens on their Tata vehicle, they are like, thank you Tata for saving the passengers and Thank you Tata for saving us at higher speeds and they even say, " if it is a Tata car in place of any other vehicle of other brands ", the passengers would have lost their lives and they even say that " if it's a Tata vehicle, the truck would have been a total loss ", and, even if any death happens on a Tata vehicle after the accident, they simply couldn't digest the fact and these Tata fanboys simply make fun of people, who had lost their lives while traveling in non-Tata vehicles.

Such a cringe fanboys I've ever seen.

And, forgot to mention that the Seltos was at the speed 60-70 Kmph at the time of the accident as per the owner of the vehicle.

P.S- I'm not a Kia fanboy or Tata hater, just saying the sad truth about these fan-wars regarding car brands.


And, finally, I got some pics, where, the Nexon had met with an accident, which resulted in passengers losing their lives, and, after seeing this brutal accident of the Nexon, I've realized that no 5 star rated car can save a person, who drives the car at high speed and the safety depends on driver's driving not on safety ratings.