Team-BHP - Accidents in India

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Originally Posted by punterccrx8s (Post 5003318)

Wont it be safer if they just cut the tree and transport it? Look at that overhang in the video. Extremely dangerous. And I was talking about overloading of trucks in general. Again not blaming only the lorry driver. There is no point in trying to put sense into auto drivers.

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Originally Posted by Thad E Ginathom (Post 5003673)

It might be that we are seeing the sort of dimensional distortion one gets with a wide-angle lens: stuff closer to the camera looks bigger. If not, I don't understand how that truck could manage on ordinary roads at all!

I've seen videos of huge things being transported by lorries but they are supposed to be through carefully planned routes, with escorting vehicles to guide the turns and to keep an eye out.

This truck had nothing of that sort.

Take a look at this video of a Wind Turbine blade being transported for example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTpZ5V4HrK4

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Originally Posted by playingpossum (Post 5004455)

Take a look at this video of a Wind Turbine blade being transported for example.

Yes, that's the job done by pros with amazing equipment. Thanks for that amazing video.

I did once see a big telescopic crane (18 axles, I think) getting stuck when taking a turn on my small London street. It had been used to install a railway-signal gantry over the roofs of a row of houses.

In the end it completed the turn at the cost of a couple of concrete bollards. Even the pros don't always get it right.

I was going through this news two days ago ,where four vehicles collided on Pune -Mumbai expressway killing 6 people on the spot . The vehicles involved were (apart from container and tempo ) Toyota Innova and Hyundai Creta .
The concern part is four from Innova died while 1 person from Creta as it was the only passenger from that vehicle and given the 2/3 star of GNCAP for this Hyundai platform , that was obvious .
Here is a link of that incident ,
https://www.thehindu.com/news/states...le33855470.ece
Now my question is , where is the GNCAP rating of Indian Innova ?? Nowhere to be found on the net also , anybody have any idea about it ?

The old generation Creta is 4 star rated with stable body shell if I remember correctly. There are many other factors involved here other than than the vehicle itself. Passengers may not be wearing belts. The line and magnitude of the impact will be different for both vehicles as well

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Originally Posted by quattroa4 (Post 5004541)

Now my question is , where is the GNCAP rating of Indian Innova ?? Nowhere to be found on the net also , anybody have any idea about it ?

Toyota Innova was launched in 2005. Except EuroNCAP I do not think GNCAP or ASEANCAP was even founded then. The vehicle in the crash looks like Toyota Innova 2005-2016 model.

1. The Toyota Innova that is sold in India has not been crash tested by GNCAP. So, a direct star rating cannot be inferred.

2. Pls understand that crash tests are highly simulated and conducted in a laboratory environment. It is not possible to recreate every way can car can potentially crash in a lab, and then test it.

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Originally Posted by quattroa4 (Post 5004541)

The concern part is four from Innova died while 1 person from Creta as it was the only passenger from that vehicle and given the 2/3 star of GNCAP for this Hyundai platform , that was obvious .
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Now my question is , where is the GNCAP rating of Indian Innova ?? Nowhere to be found on the net also , anybody have any idea about it ?

It would be naive to expect that if a vehicle has a 5 star rating, it will be like a tank that can survive through anything thrown at it (and even tanks are, obviously, not indestructible).

So let's not set some unrealistic expectations and indulge in brand bashing.

What's important is to realize how the accident occurred, and how could one prevent oneself from getting into one.

Apparently, going by the various news reports, a truck first hit a tempo because of a brake failure, whatever that may be, and the tempo overturned, and the two cars collided with it later, followed by another tempo / truck.

Could a safer, bigger following distance have helped?
Could driving at slower speeds, within the prescribed limits, have helped?
Were the occupants wearing seat belts?

I think it would be best to ponder over these questions than investigating the safety ratings.

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Originally Posted by BenjiRoss (Post 5002422)

Large, overloaded truck on smaller roads vs a badly parked (?unlucky) autorickshaw.

https://youtu.be/UwVs2YLHVT4

I'm not sure if the truck is driving legally (load and using smaller road), but he does make the turn like a boss!

Since there's no loss of life, I'm rather pleased by this accident. Truck driver would have faced a lot of hurdles getting out of this situation, including the compensation that he or his owner would have had to pay. Surely, the auto driver wouldn't be too happy with the compensation he received.

By the rules, both are at fault here.

Why the trailer?
Supreme Court has banned cargo overhangs (and also air horns!)

Why the auto?
Parking at an intersection is also prohibited. If it weren't parked there, the truck would have had more room on its right side, before entering into the curve.

Large trailers on narrow roads are not necessarily banned. But the traffic must be warned and guided. Imagine if it was during the day, they would be traffic from the opposite side, making this turn impossible while sticking to its lane.

But, the ground reality and perception of rules is always conveniently different. And in this case, the truck is (very likely to be) entirely at fault because the truck was 'moving' and crashed a parked vehicle.

But I do wonder, why am I so pleased? 🤣

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Originally Posted by playingpossum (Post 5004455)

Take a look at this video of a Wind Turbine blade being transported for example.

That looks like rural England. Try pulling something off like that here. In those 2.50 minutes(video duration), we would have seen 250 vehicles of various shapes and sizes trying to squeeze around, under and even over, if they can, it to get past that truck. :)

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Originally Posted by pgsagar (Post 5005090)

Haha you're right. On my recent drive from Hyderabad to Kerala (dont remember which stretch), I encountered a few of these trucks carrying turbine blades. While they stuck to the left lane most of the time, and drivers all overtook them with ease, there was one section where the road was S shaped (moderate curves). The truck, or rather the other impatient drivers on the road, caused quite the scene resulting in a build up of traffic. /facepalm

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Originally Posted by pgsagar (Post 5005090)

It can work similarly in India. Although there are passersby standing around - there are escorting vehicles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b4cf6Vq5Z0

What i was saying was that when carrying unusually sized loads, an escort is essential - and people walking by the side when turning to guide throught the corner.

But you do have a point that people would try to go in between, see this video of the trucks on a straight highway and notice the buses in between.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvLpPvHa1lY

Although as a curiosity - this video from China is simply amazing to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dtUrY8_1CM

Hyundai Verna (reportedly) loses control while mitigating a curve at 130 Km/h, jumps a divider and collides with a Mahindra Scorpio on the opposite lane. Passengers in both cars reportedly safe, albeit Mahindra Scorpio occupants suffered more severe injuries owing to lack of airbags. Verna's occupants reportedly suffer minor injuries. The Verna in question appears to be a top of the line variant, as evident from 6 airbags seen in the video below.

https://youtu.be/k8So0gKPPqg

Please skip to 1:35 to get to the relevant part.

Update (with credible information): The Verna mowed down 5 women workers in the mishap who all eventually died. The accident is almost a year old, and took place at Sundergarh, Odisha.

Source:https://www.newindianexpress.com/sta...t-2093316.html

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Originally Posted by Gotham_City (Post 5003984)

Extremely dangerous to have any kind of celebrations / processions so close to fast moving traffic. What led family / organizers to do this? :Frustrati
Poor couple had been scarred for life.

People can take me wrong but the only people who still insist on wedding processions on public roads are narcissists. I know it's in the culture etc. but people can do it in a private road or space if they want to. Hindering traffic on public roads is just a selfish act.

When our families insisted on a wedding procession for our family weddings, we youngsters had to push back strongly and they gave up. It's time people realize that it's not only selfish that it could be unsafe too.