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Witnessed this during my 2017 Leh trip at Ghata loops on Manali - Leh Highway.

Bhai, I have seen cars in Mumbai have dambar type of tints and they are in free reign, mostly these cars have stickers of political parties, number plates written in Marathi and they roam around like they don't care and they are never stopped too.

This is how gunda raj works in this country!

Was talking about the rear end as a whole, like in the picture below, in case of well built hatchbacks, rear doesn't have any crumple zone, instead all the force gets transferred. If we consider poorly built car, it's a different story!

Team BHP review of latest verna gives these figures of weight of the cars(manual petrol) Verna2017(1143kg):City(1058):Ciaz(1010):Rapid(1111 ):Vento(1126):Fiat(1192):Verna2011(1171)

Elite I20(1018):Polo(1033):swift(960):EtiosLiva(895):Pun toEVO(1095):Bolt(1095):SailUVA(1065):Jazz(1007):Ba leno(865):Figo(977)

Any comments and clarification whether kerb weight can be used as a function of Built(not finish)?

Its not the sheet thickness but the engineering that went into putting it together. A simple example will be paper folded to a fan fold can support a smart phone but without, it cannot support anything. Normally this needs to be done at places that requires. Much like a very very complicated corrugated box, made of 5 or 7 sheets of paper but a person can sometimes sit or stand on it.

Example: The folds give the sheet way more strength

(source)


Strengthening a car is also a very similar process, by bending metal and adding extra bits to make them stronger in areas. The sheet thickness also varies depending on the requirement. However this will result in the car gaining some weight.

Sheet metal thickness will only impact the sheer strength, that is when the metal is cut through and not folded.

In a severe impact it will eventually be the seat of the Linea too, however the seat rests on a thick metal sheet side supports along with the THICK metal parcel tray in comparison to the Baleno's flimsy cardboard.

I hope you know what I mean. SHEET Metal. "Heavy Metal"

I have not described it very well earlier but pictures speak a thousand words.

Aprilia SR 150 automatic scooter crash
One of the first reported crashes of the sporty Aprilia SR150 automatic scooter.
A Tata Tiago hatchback is said to have hit the Aprilia SR 150, resulting in extensive damage to the scooter. After hitting the Aprilia scooter, the Tiago has gone on to collide into an electric pole, and this can be seen in the image above. The driver and passenger airbags of the Tiago have deployed, and the impact on the windscreen shows that the person in the passenger seat of the car may not have been wearing a seatbelt. It’s not clear as to why exactly the Tiago hit the Aprilia.

Source : https://www.cartoq.com/indias-first-...sh-is-massive/

A lorry's trailer overturned yesterday morning due to a high-speed turn near VR Mall in Surat.

Lack of signages + absence of barricades + a drunk driver = disaster.















(PC : my friend, Santhosh)

I was alluding to the first quote. It has been sheet metal thickness of Germans when compared to other manufacturers,the talking point. But except for Maruti and Toyota others are well ahead in the Metal part(as per weight). Our perception of Fiat cars being heavy is well made out
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If we see Hyundai cars - they are nearly as heavy as the germans and in metallurgical expertise Hyundai, Mitsubishi etc., have more experienced as they build Ships,Containers, Rail coaches and Constructions.

The Japs/Korean OEMs may have more experience/expertise, but the European OEMs (driven by its higher safety conscious people ultimately) have the stronger will/higher prioritization towards safety and that makes them design stronger built and safer cars (in most cases).
Even the Jap/Korean cars got heavier and engineered towards higher safety levels in the course of their evolution in order to meet the more stringent Euro regulations to be able to sell in that market.

All carmakers, be it Japs or European, have only one aim: make money.

The western world is full of regulations, laws, class action lawsuits and whatnot, which forces the carmakers to add some features to their cars mandatorily.

So let us not be under the mistaken impression that the European and American carmakers are the messiahs who care two hoots about what happened to the occupants of their cars. If they do, it's because they are forced to, not because they love to.

Agree, all these regulations come into existence because of the higher safety awareness level of the people which is why I mentioned that it is people (society) driven in my post.

If we as a society don't care or are largely unaware about our own safety and don't demand safer cars (by regulation or sales), most manufacturers will continue to exploit and dump flimsy unsafe cars in our market to maximize their profits

I guess the reason for all those regulations is there a person can sue the government too. Everybody plays safe.

Not to disagree with your inherent statement that safety consciousness is high amongst some of the manufacturers, only I believe the reason behind it is still commercial.

When the government implements similar reforms here, such as making ABS mandatory, airbags mandatory we shall see Indian models too adhere to those norms.

Let the impression stay "that European and Americans are the messiah's" of not only car making but even road designing, signages etc etc etc. The safety tests, r&d exists there and they strive to achieve continued improvement. No doubt there.
Right they are "forced" to and everyone has to adhere if you want to stay in business. It's just like most of us have to go to work by force not out of love.
It's something like GST
Change is constant.

"WE SHALL"
The shall will happen only after corruption ends, till then the test will be limited to Arai.
Cheers.