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Originally Posted by pixantz
(Post 4279874)
I don't know why people are speaking of structural rigidity concerns here! The main body Shell which is the main "structure" is being replaced! Also, the lucky "CAR" which the owner speaks of will not be the same car at all after the job! Except for the engine and some other crumbs. And wheels maybe.
Am I missing something here? :confused:
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Most commuters are unibodies. If the body shell being mentioned includes the frame underneath, then yes, the whole car, more less, is being replaced. However, I do believe the frame will be straightened, and the "body shell" in all probability implies the body panels. In either case, sentimentality is taking over common sense.
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Originally Posted by mayankk
(Post 4279897)
Most commuters are unibodies. If the body shell being mentioned includes the frame underneath, then yes, the whole car, more less, is being replaced. However, I do believe the frame will be straightened, and the "body shell" in all probability implies the body panels. In either case, sentimentality is taking over common sense.
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In the case of the SX4 here, there is no separate body and frame. The shell will be similar to what is posted here by pixantz and it will contain the entire structure of the car. The separate body parts are the doors, boot and bonnet, fenders and bumpers. Hence, the damaged parts neednt be tinkered with. The interior bits and the powertrain will be removed from the damaged shell and transplanted into the new shell. Since in this case most of the outer panels are damaged too, they will be replaced with new panels. The body shell of the SX4 costs around 2L IIRC. The rest of the money will go into the other parts and massive labour.
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Originally Posted by pixantz
(Post 4279874)
With all respect, from all the posts above, I get it that we understand that the BODY SHELL of the said car is being replaced. Now if that is true and my general knowledge serves me right, the whole body Shell IS a WHOLE NEW CAR in itself. It's about 90 percent of a car, right?
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Now in this case, it's the whole "car". At least more than 90% of it. So the only thing left do add will be exterior body panels (which are totalled in this car and will have to be new, I guess) like doors, boot-lid, bonnet, bumpers, lights, etc, interiors, suspension frame, the suspension components themselves and the engine and wheels. Most of these components will have to be new as well in this case.
I don't know why people are speaking of structural rigidity concerns here! The main body Shell which is the main "structure" is being replaced! Also, the lucky "CAR" which the owner speaks of will not be the same car at all after the job! Except for the engine and some other crumbs. And wheels maybe.
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Absolutely agree with you here. Reminds me of
Theseus's Paradox
If you change much of the car, will it even be the same
lucky car?
Link to Theseus's Paradox
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Originally Posted by mayankk
(Post 4279897)
Most commuters are unibodies. If the body shell being mentioned includes the frame underneath, then yes, the whole car, more less, is being replaced. However, I do believe the frame will be straightened, and the "body shell" in all probability implies the body panels. In either case, sentimentality is taking over common sense.
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Originally Posted by audioholic
(Post 4279923)
In the case of the SX4 here, there is no separate body and frame. The shell will be similar to what is posted here by pixantz and it will contain the entire structure of the car. The separate body parts are the doors, boot and bonnet, fenders and bumpers. Hence, the damaged parts neednt be tinkered with. The interior bits and the powertrain will be removed from the damaged shell and transplanted into the new shell. Since in this case most of the outer panels are damaged too, they will be replaced with new panels. The body shell of the SX4 costs around 2L IIRC. The rest of the money will go into the other parts and massive labour.
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This is how a typical bodyshell looks like:
It doesn't need
any welding. Only bolt on parts like doors, panels etc will be added.
In case of the SX4, the body shell costs Rs. 2,62,500. None of the metal panels including the suspension sub frame and alloys will be reused. It will be like complete reassembly at the MASS. The only thing which won't be 100% perfect will be the fit and finish, which will need multiple visits to fix.
The labour for shell replacement is actually much lesser compared to say cutting the panels/straightening shell on car-o-liner etc.
Regards,
Shashi
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Originally Posted by mayankk
(Post 4279897)
Most commuters are unibodies. If the body shell being mentioned includes the frame underneath, then yes, the whole car, more less, is being replaced. However, I do believe the frame will be straightened, and the "body shell" in all probability implies the body panels. In either case, sentimentality is taking over common sense.
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Originally Posted by audioholic
(Post 4279923)
In the case of the SX4 here, there is no separate body and frame.
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Correct. All cars are unbodies now. Now body-on-ladder-frame types. Well, except for some old-school Tata SUV's/Muv's maybe.
The "frame" that I mentioned is a part I don't know the exact name for(it's called "dhadi" local language), and is a frame type apparatus which doesn't run underneath the whole car from front to back like before, but is divided into two separate parts, one for front suspension and one for the back. It's basically a frame to connect the car body to the suspension. For example, in the front, the wheel hub, steering rack, struts and all related paraphernalia are fitted onto this guy and this guy fits onto the car body.
Attaching a reference image for front and back ones of SX4:
Front:
Rear guy:
Hope this makes it clearer.
The front guy tends to get bent in frontal collisions and is best if replaced. But lots of folks do juggads and hammer them to be as best as possible and reuse it. Not an ideal thing to do though.
In a toppling situation these guys may be saved from damage and reused.
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Originally Posted by Jr Godzilla
(Post 4279303)
I too wondered why and how could Europe & UK allow :Frustrati
If a person has driven only in India or any other country which does not maintain EU or UK standards, allowing to drive, is a major flaw in their rules and a liability let loose.
Cheers!
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This is based on an international agreement (1949 UN Convention on Road Traffic, Geneva) that allows member nations' short term visitors to drive in other member nations. You can't discriminate based on some assumption that drivers from X country are better than Y country. Similarly most visitors to India can also drive here temporarily.
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Originally Posted by Lobogris
(Post 4281129)
This is based on an international agreement (1949 UN Convention on Road Traffic, Geneva) that allows member nations' short term visitors to drive in other member nations. You can't discriminate based on some assumption that drivers from X country are better than Y country. Similarly most visitors to India can also drive here temporarily.
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Thanks for the information.
However there is no assumption here, it is reality that drivers from X country are better than Y country, whether we like it or not.
So that 1949 agreement requires a major overhaul.
Accidents on Leh -Manali route
1. Blind corner for both vehicles and they were at speed and this happened - Full length scratches and few broken windows for TT.
2. Innova was said to be at a very high speed and couldnt control. It hit/pushed the lorry to the side before rebounding to the edge of the road; plain lucky that Innova stopped at the edge, its a very steep cliff on the other side of the road. (not visible in the pic - Innovas rear left tire is on air)
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Originally Posted by balenoed_
(Post 4281954)
Four students killed in a car accident at Ramanagara, Bangalore-Mysore road.
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All four were MBBS students.
And the truck had lost its control due to overspeed , hitting divider first and then completely crushing the car. SO unfortunate.
https://youtu.be/0mIwffBPa14
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Originally Posted by johannskaria
(Post 4282054)
... hitting divider first and then completely crushing the car.
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There is no question about the massive crushing force of the truck on the car (Verna), however, it would not be unreasonable to expect the passenger frame of the car to maintain its integrity and hold up without crumbling and provide some survivable space to the occupants.
Having come across a number of similar occurences in the same thread, the European variants (Mercs, VWs, Fiats) cabin/cage seem to hold up a lot better. Not intending to nitpick here but cannot help mentioning numerous such instances of the Verna's cabin disintegrating way too easily.
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Originally Posted by johannskaria
(Post 4282054)
And the truck had lost its control due to overspeed , hitting divider first and then completely crushing the car. SO unfortunate.
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The printed version of today's Mathrubhumi and other newspapers say that the car lost control, jumped the divider and hit head-on with the truck.
http://www.thenewsminute.com/article...arnataka-69508
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Originally Posted by johannskaria
(Post 4282054)
And the truck had lost its control due to overspeed , hitting divider first and then completely crushing the car. SO unfortunate.
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As per today's Mathrubhumi and Times reports, the car was speeding, jumped the divider and crashed into the truck in the opposite lane. Earlier reported that the car was headed to Bengaluru, giving an impression that tragedy struck at the fag end of a journey. Now it appears the trip - a short one- was in search of food...though the person who drove the car alone was responsible for the tragic loss of other three young lives, their collective obligation for a safe trip and hinting the driver to maintain sane speeds should have worked.
I used to be a regular in this route a couple of years ago. I think the reported location has properly elevated divider with bush plantings, and it takes a little effort for a sedan to cross over to the other side. My sympathies with the truck driver, couldn't help at all when the car literally flew into his truck. I seldom find the colour of the vehicles discussed in this thread, I stand to get corrected if not. Don't you think in this case (a black Verna at 3 45 AM) a brighter coloured vehicle would have alerted the reflex of the truck driver faster for a dodging maneuver? Of course there are elements such as approach speed, headlights, other vehicles on road, etc. but still, just my two cents...
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Originally Posted by for_cars1
(Post 4282436)
There is no question about the massive crushing force of the truck on the car (Verna), however, it would not be unreasonable to expect the passenger frame of the car to maintain its integrity and hold up without crumbling and provide some survivable space to the occupants.
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The truck's massive overhang made it worse by taking in more of the car under it, i guess.
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Originally Posted by pixantz
(Post 4279874)
Wow. What was the accident? That car seems totalled!
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Yes, I guess it was. Caused a major traffic snarl on the away. All the 3 passengers in the car miraculously escaped with minor injuries I was told.
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