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Although I agree with this, it doesn't hold true in case of still images of an accident. In case of such images, "A Picture leaves a thousand questions unanswered"
If cars could lose their structural integrity upon just "scraping" by other vehicles, our country's population would have reduced further because of accidents.

How did the impact happen? What were the speeds of the vehicles during impact? At what angles did the vehicles collide with each other? Was the car dragged on after the collision? lot many things questions need to be answered before you can imply that the structure of the car is well made and very safe for occupants (your post looks like you are implying that).

Another Tiago bites the dust, this time in Tamil Nadu.







Looking at the pictures, looks like the case of Topple. Experts - Is it so ?

Oops, I forgot to change the last word. Thanks for correcting. :thumbs up

A Container hit the Tiago side on, and scrapped the left side part of the car. Maybe a case where overtaking went wrong which resulted in less space to get back onto Lane.

Not sure about car, but the owner says the truck was at 80 kmph.

Don't have much details on this, but I guess both vehicles were in parallel. It could be a case where either the car was Overtaking and came close towards the container of vice versa.

Again don't no if the car was dragged or not. I don't see any signs of it. Owner hasn't mentioned much details.

I won't say that Tiago is safe or unsafe. Looking at the damage & the intact A Pillar, I mentioned structurally intact. I might be wrong, I will accept that :). It is a heavy car, and although the Heaviness doesn't have anything to do with structure rigidity.

In crash test, the Side On Collision normally has more impact on doors & Pillars. That's for impact perpendicular to the side of the car. Here, it's a different case.

Looks like collision with a truck? The car is in a very bad shape. Hope it was ripped open to get the passengers out and not due to the impact of the collision!

I went back and saw the video, and here is my take. I ride a lot, as well as extensively drive cars in city and on highway.

The biker is well within safe limits, if he moves to the center it is to either keep a clean and safe line or to avoid something ahead of him. You will know if you look at the video from a rider perspective, when he sees a slow moving bike ahead he is dropping speed and moving towards center Or while clearing for the turn and that too when he has good visibility for it.

Yes absolutely true, but what makes you assume the biker was even aware of what was behind?

I have faced a very similar situation of rogue taxi driver popping out from my blind spot and pushing me off my lane. He was behind me and i was also hopping he would overtake me when things were clear ahead. Fortunately i had a fast bike and could accelerate away from the situation. Yes when you have fast bikes, you can use its power to get out off such situation rather than brake and land up in trouble. No in this ^ situation that would not have helped.

Bingo! ^^

All very wise points, our roads are one of the worst when it comes to safety. The more we realize and drive / ride, the less chance we are to get into trouble.

Not trying to blame the rider, but he had enough space on his left. But, isn't it a common practice among Indian bike riders (civilized), to move to the side when a big vehicle approaches us especially in bends.

No use challenging idiots in front and back especially on highways when we know they will not follow any rules. Looks like the car was loaded too with passengers. Low GC in the back indicates to it.

Blind spots, keep that in mind. A two wheeler rider with helmet on has huge blind spots near to him even with rear view mirrors. If the vehicle is little behind it will show up but diagonally approaching close is at a disadvantage. If you ride a bike do observe while standing at signals, you will understand what i am talking about.

In this case, it happened at least expected moment.

True, I ride too. But the car did try to overtake him earlier in the footage, that should have given enough signal to the biker to watch out for the car to attempt again.

Like Bernard Shaw's response to GK Chesterton's challenge "I give way".

And there was no leeway for anyone who might try to peek from behind the bus to see an opportunity to overtake. It would have been head on had someone peeked from behind the bus.

But he is just too damn lucky to have survived the head bang on the asphalt and few inches, he would have been under the rear left tyre. At that speed, his right hand would have instinctively extended to support on road, but he kept it on the bar.

I beg to disagree here. Even if the car is assumed to be at blind spot at nth moment, almost 2-3 mins(Per video), the car tail gated the bike. So, it is very unnatural to assume that biker did not know a car was tailgating him.

From biker's point of view, If not, to allow car to overtake, the biker could have gone to left for his own safety when he saw a Bus coming from opposite side.
From Cab driver point of view, he could have just waited till the bus passed over the meeting point. This is the most basic lessons of all overtaking lessons

For me, it looks like,
1. Classical ego clash between two drivers.
2. Cab driver knowingly overtook biker and wanted to "teach him a lesson" since biker did not give way in earlier attempts
3. Biker knowingly did NOT give way PROBABLY because, he wanted to "defeat cab driver ONCE again"

Consequence is quite evident to both of them

Let me clarify, when i say blind spot i never meant the biker was unaware of the car being behind. What i meant is, the biker would not have expected the car to overtake when the bus was coming opposite, and at that point he would not have even seen the car approaching sideways (blind spot) even if he looked at the mirrors. Infact maybe he would have even assumed that the tail gaiter has pulled back and stopped.

As far as him holding to the lane and not moving back, in India one should :eek: Or all such things can happen. But how many of us ride with paranoid mindset? Well i do and i would have slowed / moved out OR accelerated far away, if the car guy was attempting risky maneuvers with me. Find a safer spot and let him overtake and keep his ego intact. But well that's just me and i am termed as captain slow by my riding buddies. LOL

Still all this does not take the responsibility away from the overtaking person, he / she needs to be careful and keep ample buffer, especially in a two lane undivided highway.

A NEWS involving somewhat similar issue is trending from US
http://www.khou.com/news/local/texas...ison/428463526



Regards-Sonu

Came across another online article that the Tiago collided with a truck while overtaking and the car rolled down the side of the road along with the truck. The passengers are reported to have suffered no critical injuries.

This might be that same car you are talking about. Car has indeed rolled onto a field and other vehicles can be spotted in background.

Condition of passengers wasn't mentioned, good to hear no critical injuries. These images were shared by fellow Tiago owner in ATOM Club Group. Today morning he has shared these.

Certainly not CarguyNish. Look at the mangled frame and left side is "ripped" and "shredded" like rag and looks like the truck might have climbed on the frame at that side.

Yes, check everything before overtaking is absolutely fine. And thats where it is the car drivers fault. Like i mentioned before it is fault on both sides.

The Biker knew the car was trying to overtake him. If he is a biker , he should be aware of the blind spots he has. Every vehicle has blindspots. IT is the responsibility of the driver to account for the blindspots when on road.

The Bike driver should have allowed the car to overtake him. What do yellow boards do when they try to overtake ? They honk like nobody's business. I get the feeling that the biker purposefully moved to the center of the road because he probably got peeved of the honking ( kind of a road rage moment)


Sir, if you are in India, please don't ride like that if you are on a bike. We have plenty of Idiots on the road. Makes no sense to lose your limbs/life because of the idiots. Just blindly think that every one on the road except you is a BAD L Board .

There may not be any rule in stone, but we indians are an impatient lot. Think about it, when the plane lands in the airport. People immediately standup and start pulling the luggages. The door doesn't open for 10 minutes, but people stand impatiently. Many of them rush through the door and then stand in the luggage claiming section.

So when you ride on indian road, do apply the line of thinking that every indian has. Its better to be safe than sorry. If it means you slow down and allow the car honking behind you overtake you, you should do it.

In USA, there is a rule that if someone is tailing you and doesn't have space to overtake, you pull over and allow that vehicle to go through. In that aspect itself, the biker is at fault.

The car driver miscalculated and was careless in his overtaking approach. No doubt about it.

Perfectly summed up. clap:

I feel, well developed shoulder lanes with clear markings would have given more space for both the biker as well as the car. I drive on both varieties of roads and can tell you that the presence of shoulder lanes makes the road more easy for a four wheel driver since the bikers will tend to move towards the shoulder lane and the car will get more space on the road.