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Originally Posted by landcruiser123
(Post 4082259)
After seeing what happened to Manipal, I think BNVSAP better make under-run bars compulsory for truck. The passenger would've been saved in that case. |
Originally Posted by adi_sun
(Post 4082235)
I hope you are doing fine now. I understand the situation here was tricky but pardon my question i dont think you were doing any high speed runs at the time of impact to end up like this. Looks mostly like an underrun that impacted the A pillar to push the dashboard further in the cabin, but more than that what happened to the rear wheel? |
Originally Posted by smartcat
(Post 4082102)
.. This is exactly the problem that Tesla is trying to solve with their autonomous cars. When given multiple options, which is the least deadly option to choose if an accident is inevitable. :) |
Originally Posted by smartcat
(Post 4082102)
Typical backside of a smoky Indian truck. ... Not sure if aiming for "keep distance" board (at the centre) on the truck would have helped. Without an under-run bar, it would have still bypassed the crumple zone of any car/SUV. SUVs are high-riding but only relative to a car, not to a truck. ... |
Originally Posted by rajeshsundaram
(Post 4082100)
From my own accident experience, I believe 40KMPH or 80KMPH is not the only factor that determines the damage. The heaviness of the lorry (overloaded), and when XUV hit the lorry, it's engine was still running pushing the vehicle forward a bit more, or the torque have pushed forward for half second or one second (until the electricals break up) which could have caused some serious damage. XUV is fairly heavy too, combined with mHawk's 330nm of torque @ 2000-2200 rpm at 80KMPH equates to a possibility of such damage. I may be wrong here though. The other issue I noted is - switching off the head lamps. Had the lamps were ON, the chances of noticing the lorry would have been a bit high. Good thing is - the occupants are alive. |
Originally Posted by for_cars1
(Post 4082069)
Well, the XUV is certainly not made of cardboard. |
Originally Posted by manipal
(Post 4082383)
1. I should have been around 60 to 70kmps as i had applied light brakes already, so on spotting the truck I slammed immediately and the tyre screeching was heard. |
Originally Posted by Srikanthan
(Post 4082265)
Very recently I experienced something similar, but not with smoke. This time it was rain water. Mid September, when I was returning home in the night from my native village, it was raining very heavily (cloud burst kind of thing) between Tindivanam and Chengalpattu. My windscreen wiper was working at its top speed position but still struggling to clear the water falling. Car speed reduced to nearly 40~50 KMPH and I was on the fast lane trying to move ahead of a bus which is on the slow lane. My lane was clear ahead. That's when the bus crosses a shallow pool of water (in its own lane) and its rear wheel throw gallons of water on my wind screen! :Shockked: Instantaneous blinding and next moment I slam the brakes and also see on the rear view mirror. Fortunately at that time no other vehicle was tailing me, else it would've been a rear-ending accident. Lady Luck smiled at me that day. Adding to what you said, whenever it is raining, just remember my episode! |
Originally Posted by nkrishnap
(Post 4082431)
ABS is meant to avoid this screeching. I am really surprised that the tyres screeched even with ABS on the vehicle. What could have caused it, can someone explain please: I have had a couple of real hard braking scenarios (literally standing on the brakes), the tyres did not screech in both more so one during the rains. |
Originally Posted by nkrishnap
(Post 4082431)
However on the quoted part, should the tyre really screech in a vehicle with ABS. ABS is meant to avoid this screeching. |
Originally Posted by nkrishnap
(Post 4082431)
ABS is meant to avoid this screeching. I am really surprised that the tyres screeched even with ABS on the vehicle. What could have caused it, can someone explain please: |
Originally Posted by audioholic
(Post 4082458)
ABS is meant to avoid 'continuous' skidding. It nothing to do with avoiding screeching. |
Originally Posted by SDP
(Post 4082090)
I do understand that 'instinct' plays a huge role in such scenarios and the natural instinct is to steer away from the obstacle and keep on doing it hoping till the last moment that you might just clear it. What I am asking is - can one train himself to control the instinct and take a conscious decision to get into a hit in a more controlled fashion (which is favourable to the occupant's safety)? Is that possible at all? |
Originally Posted by FORTified
(Post 4082234)
I did panic braking, 1. looked at all my occupants to see that everybody is belted 2. Looked at the left ORVM to see nobody is on my left 3. Steered to the left while standing on the brake [ABS, EBD, ESP and god-knows-what all three letter and four letter words came to my rescue :D ] 4. Chose the left side tail lamp of him and right side head lamp of mine as our meeting point to reduce the damage on both vehicles and avoid the air bag deployment in my car 5. Was doing calculation of how much is it going to cost me 6. Finally, could manage to miss my target by inches and slide by his side. 7. When i came to halt, I was sitting next to his front passenger door. Had I hit him and intruded into his cabin, I would be sitting in his driving seat . |
Originally Posted by manipal
(Post 4082383)
1. I should have been around 60 to 70kmps as i had applied light brakes already, so on spotting the truck i slammed immediately and the tyre screeching was heard. 2. To my surprise none of the airbags opened, after all even if the impact was higher, at least A pillar bags should have opened. |
Originally Posted by nkrishnap
(Post 4082431)
Firstly, everyone is safe which is very important. Thank your stars for that. However on the quoted part, should the tyre really screech in a vehicle with ABS. ABS is meant to avoid this screeching. I am really surprised that the tyres screeched even with ABS on the vehicle. What could have caused it, can someone explain please: I have had a couple of real hard braking scenarios (literally standing on the brakes), the tyres did not screech in both more so one during the rains. |
Originally Posted by FORTified
(Post 4082719)
I drive Fortuner with ABS and another car again with ABS. In panic breaking situations, I always observed tyres screeching. ABS makes sure that wheels don't lock up completely and lets you maneuver the vehicle while it is braking. As all of us know, it increases the braking distance. So, I think it increases the Screeching time too :) But, tyres does screech always. NOTE: Please don't try to simulate the scenario and test. You will get your opportunity :D |
Originally Posted by FORTified
(Post 4082719)
As all of us know, it increases the braking distance. |
Originally Posted by SDP
(Post 4082090)
What I am asking is - can one train himself to control the instinct and take a conscious decision to get into a hit in a more controlled fashion (which is favourable to the occupant's safety)? Is that possible at all? |
Originally Posted by FORTified
(Post 4082234)
I think it is that moment when your real self will come out and take control. Speed 100+. I did panic braking, 1. looked at all my occupants to see that everybody is belted 2. Looked at the left ORVM to see nobody is on my left 3. Steered to the left... 4. Chose the left side tail lamp of him and right side head lamp of mine as our meeting point... 5. Was doing calculation ... 6. Finally, could manage to miss my target... All this drama was happening in fraction of a second. I am sure I wasn't controlling the situation consciously. I just did it and if I look back I am not sure how I did that. |
Originally Posted by SS-Traveller
(Post 4082838)
If one can train one's instinct to "hit in a more controlled fashion", one can more easily train oneself not to get into the situation at all where a crash is inevitable. Except #1 & #6, the rest of the activities were something you thought you should have done, in retrospect. Or in your dream (nightmare?) that night. If your instinct was so well-honed, you would have realized that a dangerous situation was developing as soon as the Audi was about to pass you on the left. Driving is NOT an instinctive activity, I am sorry to say, and I still count my seconds every time I drive. stupid: |
Originally Posted by FORTified
(Post 4082902)
Driving indeed is highly instinctive activity, where all your instincts need to be few degrees off balance... |
Originally Posted by SS-Traveller
(Post 4082939)
[url] Hope these 2 articles help explain things a little better. |
Originally Posted by silverado
(Post 4082992)
Someone from abroad can come to india and start driving to improve on their reflexes without having to spend on any course :D |
...our roads require keen sense of anticipation at all times... |
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