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Not exactly, unless the Swift guy learns from this episode and starts using his rear view mirrors properly. If not, when a motorist overtakes him from the right, he will decide to take a sudden right and still push him down!

Never do that! :Shockked: I guess you did not see the video highlighted by GTO, where we could see a Scorpio being crushed by a bus for slowly and gradually coming to a halt on the road.


Sigh, I don't know what needs to be done now. We can't overtake from the left / right or even come to a stop safely... No more options left! :uncontrol

You seem to think that some hard braking is involved in this manoeuvre! In the vicinity of intersections I am never never at any speed that you might need to worry about, and neither am I ever in the 'wrong' lane when I know I'd be taking a left somewhere soon. And if, even then, the car/bus behind me rear-ends me, hmm, I wouldn't know what to say! :Frustrati

Both the idiots are at fault !

The 2-wheeler rider for riding on the LHS and not slowing down even when the car was having the LHS indicator on. For those who might argue that the car driver switched on the indicators very late , the scooter rider could have done better if he had assumed there are other idiots also like him on the road .

The car driver probably realized the correct LHS lane too late and that's the reason he/she switched on the indicator late and swerved without checking the mirrors . Like most morons on our roads , this driver also simply turned on the indicators and turned without being bothered about others on the road . Just like you have idiots who switch on hazard warning lights and stop in the middle of the road

Good suggestion: I would also add the BP fluctuations due to high speeds, the number of near misses that could have been avoided and amount of time/peace of mind that would have been lost if there was atleast one near-miss conversion to a hit. The engine shouldn't turn off until the information is read out completely.

It should be like the gory cancer-due-to-smoking ads before the movie begins these days.

If this is the very spot that I noticed on my recent trip to Vapi(it has a sharp right hander immediately at the end of the flyover if one is travelling toward Mumbai), then there should be no surprise for its notoriety.

I was driving well over 90 on the stretch and would've exceeded it on the descent of the flyover had it not been for my brother-in-law who asked me to slow it down. Initially puzzled, I quickly realized his concern. It reminded me of the Dehu road exit of the Mum-Pune Expressway which has a similar abrupt right hander at its end.

While I agree that this is no race track where even seasoned riders/drivers shouldn't be testing their potential, it is no ordinary town road either. Its a national highway for crying out loud and its meant to reduce times for interstate/intercity travel.

This particular spot is dangerous and unnerving even at the prescribed speed limit. And there should be proper signage for gradient changes, turns, intersections, junctions, interchanges, turns, bridges, etc. There are no warnings or signboards whatsoever before the flyover; there are some signs placed after the flyover but these come into view only after one has reached the top of the flyover. The descent is also short, rapid and the elevation changes so suddenly that it unsettles the car and the uninitiated driver is bound to panic-brake. So yes, it is indeed a poorly engineered section!

Woah. That was a nasty tankslapper. I'm not the one to analyze this accident but I have much reason to believe that he could've avoided it:

1) By reining in his speed especially on a village road.
2) By landing on his rear tire instead of the front which had every factor contributing against it to lose traction.

Good grief, so much blame for the Swift driver in Swift v Scooter.

Most of us have, indeed, learned to look for a two-wheeler doing the illegal, dangerous and stupid overtake, on either side, before and during a turn, but that doesn't make the two-wheeler right, legal, sensible or entitled to do their manoeuvre. They are not.

Generally, in our mixed-up, discipline-free driving, overtaking on the left is a fact of life, but even that is wrong. My feeling is that, if we do it (don't we all? Is there even any choice when all the other vehicles on a two-lane road are in the right-hand lane?) then whatever happens is our fault.

This applies to vehicles with any number of wheels. Sadly, I believe that bikers have actually been taught to overtake on left. Somehow they feel it is safer. It is not. Let us spread the education on that one!

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There is another piece of driving common sense (if not law) ignored by the scooter here: never overtake at a junction. Just don't. Again, I don't feel many drivers, regardless of wheel number, are aware of that one.

Well, armchair commentary is not my game. I believe in rather throwing questions on your conscience, which will bring out some answers.

So here are my questions to all those who blamed the two wheelers (partially or fully)...

Would you have appreciated if the two wheeler was riding bang in the middle of the car ahead of him, taking full width and blocking the car behind him ?

Wouldn't everyone would have screamed as to why a two wheeler is riding in the middle of the road ?

Wasn't he a good rider minding his own business in the leftmost slow lane ?

Agree with you. IMHO, His only mistake was to try overtaking from left, when the left blinker of the car was ON. Isn't that worth the share of the blame that he is getting?

Agree, he didn't notice the blinker, but who would expect that all of a sudden from a car which was going straight in the middle lane and all of a sudden decided to turn left !
Practically anyone would have been caught by surprise, even a bigger vehicle.

It was great fun to go through the multiple differing opinions. As a driving trainer, here's mine:

A slip road has been provided at the junction for vehicles turning left. Where such a slip road is provided, it is mandatory for a left-turning vehicle to use it, and not turn from the main carriageway. In performing the turn as shown in the video, the driver of the Swift is breaking a law and a basic principle of driving.

The scooterist may be considered to be at fault here for trying to overtake from the left and / or not being alert enough to detect the car's turn signal, but he has not broken any law - the motorist has.

In general, on most city streets across the world, bikers try not to occupy a whole lane, and ride along or close to lane markers. This makes for slightly more efficient use of available road space, especially when traffic is heavy. Also, on city streets with turns and junctions, the principle of overtaking only from the right does not apply - whichever lane is moving faster, vehicles in that lane overtake the other lane(s), whether it be to their right or left, as long as they are in the correct lane.

Of course, the principles of driving don't apply in India, rules don't really matter, and blame games go on. In a traffic-conscious city, the Swift driver will be prosecuted. Here, there's no one to decide who is right and who is wrong, and even if there was a cop standing at the junction, he would have no idea of the rules and laws.

Thad has explained well, and i agree with his rationale.

The fundamentals we follow and believe in India is WRONG! I think we all need to go to a proper driving lesson / training before something can be improved on our roads.

People who have traveled to a developed nation or driven can identify with what Thad is saying.

Why do you think people from such countries are scared out of wits at the simple thought of driving in countries like India? We break all the basic rules and etiquette right from walking to driving and then sit and justify / analyse it.

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Apparently the Scorpio ran into this Nissan showroom at a place called Kottrakara in Koll district.

It pains to see these new cars destroyed, and hope its only the cars thats damaged, and hope no human injuries.

Looks like the bullbar has done its job, and the crumble zone is intact, instead can see the wind shield and the top taking the hit. The bonnet looks like it was never involved in an accident :Frustrati

I share your sentiment and frustration. And worst of all, its quite likely that the Scorpio owner will proudly state to anyone within earshot how his cleverness in fitting a bullbar saved his engine, while it utterly destroyed those of the cars, further perpetuating the "value" of bullbars.

That is why you are (supposed to be) taught to maintain a safe distance from the vehicle in front of you and not go sniffing his bumper. What if a dog darted across the road and the Swift's driver applied sudden brake? Would you still blame him for the mishap?

Overtaking from the left IS breaking the law.

I agree. At traffic signals and in bumper to bumper traffic or speeds < 10 kmh, I don't mind two wheelers efficiently filling up the gaps/ moving ahead.

Exactly. The only problem(s) here being the moron on the scooter was :-
(a) Trying to overtake from the left while traffic was moving at not less than 30 kph.
(b) Overtaking a vehicle in his OWN lane.

The Scooterist is the cause of this accident. The Swift driver missing the turn was only a contributing factor.

I'm happy to see at least the mod is talking sense here. Its not really our fault that we are like this. Traffic rules need to be imbibed in us from a very young age. In a nation used to breaking rules left,right and centre, this is but expected.