The FIAT 1100/Premier Padmini Technical Information thread

samsag12 · 8th April 2010, 13:19

You must be referring to the thin foam tape which has glue on both the sides. Will it be good enough to hold the aluminum badge in place even on bumpy roads. I suspect if it doesn't then i will loose a precious gem of my car as these badges are nowhere to be found nowadays even in scrapyard.
Regarding the type of badge the new gen PPs got this stick on type badges on boot. Have a look at it yourself.

arun1100 · 8th April 2010, 13:36

Ilango is referring to the tape from 3M. Its very expensive. That will surely solve the purpose. But there might be a gap o 1mm between the badge and body when fixed with such tape.

samsag12 · 8th April 2010, 13:39

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Originally Posted by arun1100

Ilango is referring to the tape from 3M. Its very expensive. That will surely solve the purpose. But there might be a gap o 1mm between the badge and body when fixed with such tape.

If that will be so then what are the other options. How much will the 3M tape cost me??

arun1100 · 8th April 2010, 13:44

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Originally Posted by samsag12

If that will be so then what are the other options. How much will the 3M tape cost me??

May be Rs.300 for the whole roll.

samsag12 · 8th April 2010, 13:54

You must be referring to the 3M VHB self adhesive double sided thin foam tape. Please correct me in case i got it incorrect. Link to the site
3M : India : 3M? VHB? Tapes : Product Catalogue

manishalive · 8th April 2010, 13:57

They have also got a glue 3M Ultrapro (Trim and Emblem Adhesive), not sure if it is avaliable here.

ilangop · 8th April 2010, 14:56

No manish, not from 3M. I myself got a 5 metre roll for about Rs 50. That was not from 3M. I am sure if Samsag goes with the badge to a numberplatewala, he would glue the sticker on 1 side, and later on he can peel off and put up the badge the way he likes.

funkykar · 8th April 2010, 15:14

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Originally Posted by ilangop

No manish, not from 3M. I myself got a 5 metre roll for about Rs 50. That was not from 3M. I am sure if Samsag goes with the badge to a numberplatewala, he would glue the sticker on 1 side, and later on he can peel off and put up the badge the way he likes.

The ordinary double sided stickers dont really last very long. My experience with my NE:
1) The Premier and 118 NE badges with this type sticker keep falling off. I replace every 6 months
2) Rear number plate is plastic and stuck using this tape, keeps falling off once a year or during water service.

What I have done to overcome this is (atleast so far its been fine)
For 1 - I have put feviquik and put the badges. Have lasted for 9 months and still strong. Even though the Premier badge was broken when at garage. Glue wasnt the issue. Dont know if it glue will screw up this part of the paint.

For 2 - The sticker fellow said he has put some imported double sided sticker (dont know what brand) and assured it will not fall off for a very long time.

The Premier and Padmini S1 badges are rare and we shouldnt take any chances by using these double sided stickers.

A)May be the 3M glue if it is really a good adhesive, we should go for it.
B) Is it possible to make small holes and make it screw type?
C) Is it possible to attach a metal plate to the rear of these badges and have nut and bold arrange ment to fix it to the dickey.

samsag12 · 17th April 2010, 08:36

I am in the process of procuring the wire sockets and relays for my S1 which is a part of the process to make a new full wiring harness. As insulation on many wires are cracking and wires shorting now and then and some other reasons, i thought of replacing the whole wiring network. SO I NEED HELP REGARDING THE WIRING HARNESS DIAGRAM of PP S1. An experienced electrician has agreed to do the job and to get things done in the correct order, i need the diagram which can be used as a solid base for the project. If anyone has the diagram please do help me.

Also please do suggest any good brand of wires and sockets to be used for making the harness.

arun1100 · 17th April 2010, 08:44

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Originally Posted by samsag12

If anyone has the diagram please do help me.

Also please do suggest any good brand of wires and sockets to be used for making the harness.

Isn't the wiring diagram in the manual enough for making the harness?

Finolex is the wire you must use.

samsag12 · 17th April 2010, 21:24

Sirji i have lost my car's manual. Its somewhere in the house itself but not getting time to find it. If anyone has the manual with diagram please post it for reference. Regarding the wire will inquire about it. Thanks for the support.
Karthik bhai (funkykar) if you have the S1 manual do share the said pics.

CrackedHead · 17th April 2010, 22:24

I came across a set of standard sized pistons today - these had grooves for 4 piston rings as opposed to the usual three. (two compression rings and two oil rings). Can someone tell me if these are any better/worse than the usual design that has three rings?

I need parts for a re-bore job.

samsag12 · 25th April 2010, 08:08

Can anybody shed some light on the exact dimensions of the PP S1 front windshield. If not the dimensions then is the padmini windshield a direct fit on S1 . I am getting a used one as a replacement as the present one has scratches gifted by the wiper arm, for Rs. 200. Should i go ahead and buy it.

DHABHAR.BEHRAM · 25th April 2010, 10:53

Dear Samsag12 - Fiat 1100D, Premier President, Premier Padmini and Premier Padmini S1 windshield glass dimension is exactly same. The dies in this area were never changed.

Best regards,

Behram Dhabhar

samsag12 · 25th April 2010, 11:27

Thanks a lot Dhabhar sir for clearing my doubt. BTW is 200Rs a fair price for the windshield?

8th April 2010, 13:19	#631
samsag12 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: City of Nawaabs Posts: 1,626 Thanked: 259 Times View My Garage	You must be referring to the thin foam tape which has glue on both the sides. Will it be good enough to hold the aluminum badge in place even on bumpy roads. I suspect if it doesn't then i will loose a precious gem of my car as these badges are nowhere to be found nowadays even in scrapyard. Regarding the type of badge the new gen PPs got this stick on type badges on boot. Have a look at it yourself. Attached Thumbnails
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8th April 2010, 13:36	#632
arun1100 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,122 Thanked: 5,994 Times View My Garage	Ilango is referring to the tape from 3M. Its very expensive. That will surely solve the purpose. But there might be a gap o 1mm between the badge and body when fixed with such tape.
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8th April 2010, 13:54	#635
samsag12 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: City of Nawaabs Posts: 1,626 Thanked: 259 Times View My Garage	You must be referring to the 3M VHB self adhesive double sided thin foam tape. Please correct me in case i got it incorrect. Link to the site 3M : India : 3M? VHB? Tapes : Product Catalogue
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8th April 2010, 13:57	#636
manishalive Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,537 Thanked: 1,121 Times	They have also got a glue 3M Ultrapro (Trim and Emblem Adhesive), not sure if it is avaliable here.
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8th April 2010, 14:56	#637
ilangop BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Chennai Posts: 993 Thanked: 922 Times View My Garage	No manish, not from 3M. I myself got a 5 metre roll for about Rs 50. That was not from 3M. I am sure if Samsag goes with the badge to a numberplatewala, he would glue the sticker on 1 side, and later on he can peel off and put up the badge the way he likes.
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17th April 2010, 08:36	#639
samsag12 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: City of Nawaabs Posts: 1,626 Thanked: 259 Times View My Garage	I am in the process of procuring the wire sockets and relays for my S1 which is a part of the process to make a new full wiring harness. As insulation on many wires are cracking and wires shorting now and then and some other reasons, i thought of replacing the whole wiring network. SO I NEED HELP REGARDING THE WIRING HARNESS DIAGRAM of PP S1. An experienced electrician has agreed to do the job and to get things done in the correct order, i need the diagram which can be used as a solid base for the project. If anyone has the diagram please do help me. Also please do suggest any good brand of wires and sockets to be used for making the harness. Last edited by samsag12 : 17th April 2010 at 08:38.
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17th April 2010, 21:24	#641
samsag12 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: City of Nawaabs Posts: 1,626 Thanked: 259 Times View My Garage	Sirji i have lost my car's manual. Its somewhere in the house itself but not getting time to find it. If anyone has the manual with diagram please post it for reference. Regarding the wire will inquire about it. Thanks for the support. Karthik bhai (funkykar) if you have the S1 manual do share the said pics.
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17th April 2010, 22:24	#642
CrackedHead BHPian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Seattle Posts: 585 Thanked: 81 Times	I came across a set of standard sized pistons today - these had grooves for 4 piston rings as opposed to the usual three. (two compression rings and two oil rings). Can someone tell me if these are any better/worse than the usual design that has three rings? I need parts for a re-bore job.
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25th April 2010, 08:08	#643
samsag12 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: City of Nawaabs Posts: 1,626 Thanked: 259 Times View My Garage	Can anybody shed some light on the exact dimensions of the PP S1 front windshield. If not the dimensions then is the padmini windshield a direct fit on S1 . I am getting a used one as a replacement as the present one has scratches gifted by the wiper arm, for Rs. 200. Should i go ahead and buy it.
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25th April 2010, 10:53	#644
DHABHAR.BEHRAM Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: MUMBAI Posts: 3,060 Thanked: 5,402 Times	Dear Samsag12 - Fiat 1100D, Premier President, Premier Padmini and Premier Padmini S1 windshield glass dimension is exactly same. The dies in this area were never changed. Best regards, Behram Dhabhar
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25th April 2010, 11:27	#645
samsag12 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: City of Nawaabs Posts: 1,626 Thanked: 259 Times View My Garage	Thanks a lot Dhabhar sir for clearing my doubt. BTW is 200Rs a fair price for the windshield?
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