[ajay_satpute]

Originally Posted by KarthikK

T-Jet comparison thoughts : 2011 Linea T-Jet+ v/s 2013 Linea T-Jet Emotion

Super stuff there!

I was waiting for your comparo like crazy. You have nailed it down perfectly dude. Thanks a ton.

Coming from a Tata Vista (1st batch), I can easily ignore the below par interior quality as long as the ride is heavenly. No offense meant, but I read posts from quite a few Verna owners that they got over the excitement of amazing interior quality in a few weeks after purchase due to poor handling.

Is the claimed FE same as the 2011 TJET? Do you think the changed dynamics (GC, steering, etc...) would a make difference to the FE? Stupid question may be, but still.

And lastly, your TJET+ looks absolutely stunning. Infact, yours looks like a 2013 car and the demo car looks 2 years old. You should write a book on decking up and maintaining cars.

Cheers !

[_raVan_]

Excellent comparison Karthikk, I must say your car looks splendid and has been maintained well

Originally Posted by KarthikK

Some myths to dispel :

- Spare wheel is not a steel wheel. It is very much the same sized Goodyear Eagle NCT5 205/55R16 with alloy wheel (same as the other 4 on the car).

I personally saw this in the 2013 TJet that the spare wheel is a steel wheel now and the SA confirmed it!

[WindRide]

KarthikK - wow what review! keep it up.
I bet it must be easier to deal with the huge turning radius, now that the steering is easier at low speed.

OT - how on earth do you maintain your beige floor mats. must be a royal pain the backside?

[thesilentone]

Passion, Passion & Passion is what I can feel in each of the lines that you write and the manner in which your cars are maintained and spruced up . Great going and keep it up.

[StarrySky]

Originally Posted by KarthikK

- Spare wheel is not a steel wheel. It is very much the same sized Goodyear Eagle NCT5 205/55R16 with alloy wheel (same as the other 4 on the car).

Originally Posted by _raVan_

I personally saw this in the 2013 TJet that the spare wheel is a steel wheel now and the SA confirmed it!

Is it so that the Dynamic variant which comes with 15" alloy wheels gets a steel spare wheel, whereas the Emotion variant which comes with 16" alloys gets an alloy spare wheel?

[vb-saan]

Thanks Karthik for the comparison! Very detailed and all aspects are well-covered.

Originally Posted by KarthikK

And here's the hypo-pigmented beige version of plastics in the 2013 T-Jet.

That’s indeed an eyesore!

Originally Posted by KarthikK

A wider view of the interiors: 2013 T-Jet. The bottom panel housing the gear and handbrake levers has now turned from black to beige

I feel the earlier black was better. This will be a nightmare to clean.

Originally Posted by KarthikK

Moving on, here's a picture of the 2011 T-Jet which had all 3 adjustable head restraints for the rear seat passengers
The 2013 version now ditches the centre passenger's headrest! Sun curtain is retained though.

That’s a bad omission IMO. I mean, how much of a cost saving that change will bring along?

And I find it appalling that all manufacturers go with a lap belt for the rear middle seat (for cars below the D-Segment)

Originally Posted by KarthikK

- Total warranty (OEM standard + extended) is now 3 + 2 years as opposed to 2 + 2 years which was the earlier norm.

This I believe is the longest available in India. Excellent indeed!

[_raVan_]

Originally Posted by StarrySky

Is it so that the Dynamic variant which comes with 15" alloy wheels get a steel spare wheel, whereas the Emotion variant which comes with 16" alloys get an alloy spare wheel?

Nope, the SA confirmed that it was the EMOTION variant. And I could see the rear curtains and the leather seats in it.

[julupani]

Originally Posted by StarrySky

Is it so that the Dynamic variant which comes with 15" alloy wheels get a steel spare wheel, whereas the Emotion variant which comes with 16" alloys get an alloy spare wheel?

I think this must be the case.

To provide a steel spare wheel for the Emotion variants would require them to procure some 16inch steel wheels. Remember the slightly different rolling circumference of the 15 inch wheel/tyre combo of the lower variants means that they cannot be used as a spare on Emotion variant.

Thus, rather than procuring extra 16inch steel wheels to provide as spare just for the Emotion variant, FIAT probably think providing a alloy spare wheel and charging the customer for it is a better arrangement.

Originally Posted by _raVan_

Nope, the SA confirmed that it was the EMOTION variant. And I could see the rear curtains and the leather seats in it.

Did you check the size of the tyres??

I ask because the 205/55 R16 configuration has a different circumference than the 195/60 R15 configuration of the lower variants.

[srinath34]

Originally Posted by KarthikK

T-Jet comparison thoughts : 2011 Linea T-Jet+ v/s 2013 Linea T-Jet Emotion

Wow Karthik!!! You must be given the title of "Comparo King" after this review. Amazing attention to detail.

Your views are now pushing me to TD the TJet as well. But the car is just too long for my requirement (> 4.5m)

But I may well just drive it till I wait for Ecosport details come out and then take a call.

Cheers

[nipcarlover]

Originally Posted by KarthikK

T-Jet comparison thoughts : 2011 Linea T-Jet+ v/s 2013 Linea T-Jet Emotion

Absolutely epic review man! Was looking forward to this quite eagerly. The detail you have gone to is absolutely awesome and I thoroughly enjoyed reading it.
I personally prefer the white door plastics/seats, but the lower end plastics and matting etc. should IMO have remained black, looks better and is easier to clean.
Your car looks absolutely fantastic, compared to the new T-Jet mainly because of 3M detailing but also the lower GC. Did you inquire about the cost of changing the 190 mm suspension to the 170 mm suspension? If not, please do so if possible .

[puchoo]

KarthikK , absolutely fantastic stuff , thanks for making the effort and i cannot tell you how much this helps.

I have booked the T-Jet as of yesterday!! An 8 month saga hopefully comes to an end for me.

1. I noticed the difference in the colors as well and the fact that it appeared t be lighter - pointed it out to my wife and the sales person as well. While the sales guy said it was the same my wife was not being able to make out too much of a difference. At any rate this is no deal breaker.

2. i double checked about the spare in the emotion and the SA said it was a steel wheel , clearly he is wrong and i will recheck with him

3. I am doing the maths of it all , but basically the car can come down to about 9.70 or so basis my estimate provided that one does the insurance themselves along with some few things here and there. Tremendous value at that price.

4. The rear - middle headrest has been removed but it still looks fine and for me for example it makes no difference given that there will be few situations where i am going to have a a fully loaded car.

5. the two front seats have been scooped out a bit at the rear to allow for some more leg room - not sure if this was there in the earlier one , i dont think it was. Makes very little difference.

[xaero]

Thanks Karthik for the awesome comparo. I just hope the localization of the Engine does not play a spoil sport in the long run (like it happened for the good old Kinetic Honda when the engine was locally manufactured 1993 onwards, long term quality took a hit).
I am not being skeptical here for the quality, it might be the same though.

And johy, even I did not get a remote control with my music system back in 2011, are you sure that it was there with the OEM music system fitted in the Linea, as I don't see any probable remote sensors also in the car.

[johy]

Originally Posted by xaero

And johy, even I did not get a remote control with my music system back in 2011, are you sure that it was there with the OEM music system fitted in the Linea, as I don't see any probable remote sensors also in the car.

Yes, the remote was there Xaero.



Here it is in a carwale review from 2010

@puchoo, may congrats on the booking; good choice.

[RX135]

2 cents from a fellow Fiat Owner:

Fiat never had so much of issue with most of their recent cars (Okay, Uno did have lot of quality glitches). The cars are mostly brilliant when evaluated just as a car and not along with brand/resale/ASS. The issue arises when it comes to their ASS and brand (and hence, resale).

I am sure new Linea T-Jet would be stonker of a car. A close friend owns Fiat Linea T-Jet+ and it is brilliant, just as my 8.5 year old Petra, which is as rock solid as it was when new.

But where is A/S/S? Where is the Brand? Fiat did good job of marketing Linea/Punto when launched and that resulted in decent numbers, if not setting sales charts on fire. But then, like in case of Palio, it also fizzled out over time. The A/S/S centers are reducing day by day with Tata-Fiat centers no more servicing Fiats. Parts availability is a pain since you have to rely on Fiat dealer, which are too few in numbers.

Unless Fiat does something dramatic to address these long standing pain areas, there is no hope even with best of the cars. It is not ironical that, half the cars in nation today run on Fiat engines, yet Fiat is not able to sell own cars.

[KarthikK]

Originally Posted by johy

Karthik,

I just wonder how the locally spun engine would compare to the videshi one?

Honestly I couldn't make out the difference, apart from the linear-ness prior to the turbo blast. But that could be because the car is still very new and hasn't yet got 'seasoned'.

Edit: As for the remote control for the music, the old T-Jet also came with a remote-controlled music system. I know many of us did not receive it (I did not), but I have seen pictures of the remote controller across some of the forums.

Yeah, true. If you hunt around in my ownership review thread, someone had posted pictures of some stickers (probably in the factory) mentioning some audio system remote. Why Fiat or the dealers seem to avoid giving that remote to customers is beyond my imagination. I wonder what they gain from that.

Originally Posted by ajay_satpute

Super stuff there!

I was waiting for your comparo like crazy. You have nailed it down perfectly dude. Thanks a ton.

Thanks a lot Ajay.

Is the claimed FE same as the 2011 TJET? Do you think the changed dynamics (GC, steering, etc...) would a make difference to the FE? Stupid question may be, but still.

I don't think that will affect anything on the fuel consumption front. I am no aerodynamic expert, but if my microscopic knowledge of the subject is anything to go by, the older version should be more fuel efficient since it sits lower to the ground and offers lower air resistance.

And lastly, your TJET+ looks absolutely stunning. Infact, yours looks like a 2013 car and the demo car looks 2 years old. You should write a book on decking up and maintaining cars.

Cheers !

There's a thread in the directory section where other members keep pulling my leg. That store does all the work, I just stand and watch

Originally Posted by _raVan_

I personally saw this in the 2013 TJet that the spare wheel is a steel wheel now and the SA confirmed it!

Originally Posted by StarrySky

Is it so that the Dynamic variant which comes with 15" alloy wheels gets a steel spare wheel, whereas the Emotion variant which comes with 16" alloys gets an alloy spare wheel?

Originally Posted by _raVan_

Nope, the SA confirmed that it was the EMOTION variant. And I could see the rear curtains and the leather seats in it.

Originally Posted by julupani

I think this must be the case.

To provide a steel spare wheel for the Emotion variants would require them to procure some 16inch steel wheels. Remember the slightly different rolling circumference of the 15 inch wheel/tyre combo of the lower variants means that they cannot be used as a spare on Emotion variant.

Thus, rather than procuring extra 16inch steel wheels to provide as spare just for the Emotion variant, FIAT probably think providing a alloy spare wheel and charging the customer for it is a better arrangement.

Did you check the size of the tyres??

I ask because the 205/55 R16 configuration has a different circumference than the 195/60 R15 configuration of the lower variants.

Folks, my apologies for the confusion caused. I just cross-checked with the showroom staff. The new t-Jet emotion does indeed come with 195/60R15 spare wheel. When I looked into the boot, the car was supposedly using some old spare wheel which was an alloy. Sorry for the slip-up. I stand corrected; I've reported my post to the moderators and the information will be corrected.

Originally Posted by WindRide

I bet it must be easier to deal with the huge turning radius, now that the steering is easier at low speed.

The steering is easier at low speeds now definitely. Not too convinced how that will affect the turning radius though. Turning radius in the city and traffic remains a negative point on the facelift, it is only the effort required which will be lesser now. Single maneuver U-turns remain almost impossible in the city.

OT - how on earth do you maintain your beige floor mats. must be a royal pain the backside?

I don't use this car daily, so it is manageable for me. If you're planning to buy these beige Kagus for daily use cars, I wouldn't recommend them to you for the very same reason that you mentioned - cleaning difficulty, plus the dirt stays in the 'tray' shaped mats until you clean them.

Originally Posted by vb-san

Thanks Karthik for the comparison! Very detailed and all aspects are well-covered.

Thanks a lot vb-san!

Originally Posted by srinath34

Your views are now pushing me to TD the TJet as well. But the car is just too long for my requirement (> 4.5m)

But I may well just drive it till I wait for Ecosport details come out and then take a call.

You wouldn't want to miss out on the fun anyway. Why not take a test drive, even if you aren't buying it? Petrol and the car both belong to the showroom. You can as well have some free fun for the heck of it. If you really like it, you can think of future plans later, hehe. (warning - I'm sure you cannot dislike it after a test drive)

Originally Posted by nipcarlover

Absolutely epic review man! Was looking forward to this quite eagerly. The detail you have gone to is absolutely awesome and I thoroughly enjoyed reading it.
I personally prefer the white door plastics/seats, but the lower end plastics and matting etc. should IMO have remained black, looks better and is easier to clean.

Thanks nipcarlover! I totally agree on the lower panels thing.

Your car looks absolutely fantastic, compared to the new T-Jet mainly because of 3M detailing but also the lower GC. Did you inquire about the cost of changing the 190 mm suspension to the 170 mm suspension? If not, please do so if possible .

I'll find out when I visit the service centre next. I am expecting something in the region of 20k or something, not sure.

Originally Posted by puchoo

KarthikK , absolutely fantastic stuff , thanks for making the effort and i cannot tell you how much this helps.

I have booked the T-Jet as of yesterday!! An 8 month saga hopefully comes to an end for me.

Congratulations puchoo! All the best for a long innings with the T-Jet!

1. I noticed the difference in the colors as well and the fact that it appeared t be lighter - pointed it out to my wife and the sales person as well. While the sales guy said it was the same my wife was not being able to make out too much of a difference. At any rate this is no deal breaker.

True. It is not a deal breaker. Both the colors look very nice (pre and post facelift interior)

2. i double checked about the spare in the emotion and the SA said it was a steel wheel , clearly he is wrong and i will recheck with him

Corrected the information in my review post. I stand corrected. The spare wheel is indeed a steel wheel of 195/60R15 size.

4. The rear - middle headrest has been removed but it still looks fine and for me for example it makes no difference given that there will be few situations where i am going to have a a fully loaded car.

Absolutely true. Come to think of it, I have never once used that 5th centre seat in my car, hehe.

5. the two front seats have been scooped out a bit at the rear to allow for some more leg room - not sure if this was there in the earlier one , i dont think it was. Makes very little difference.

Is that so? I didn't notice any difference in shape when I casually looked around in the cabin. Both versions looked same to me.