[saket77]

Only 2 pages in the thread as of now. Sums up the interest of 'car enthusiasts' for a Honda CS.
For me, this will be my pick across the segment. A proper CVT and a 4 cylinder engine is enough to sway the decision in its favour. Aesthetically it appears good too. Haven't driven the Honda iVTEC NA 1.2 engine ever but if it draws any of its characteristics with its elder sibling 1.5 NA iVTEC then it should be fine engine.

[Sri0030]

Originally Posted by saket77

Only 2 pages in the thread as of now. Sums up the interest of 'car enthusiasts' for a Honda CS.

Seriously no one is interested in Honda anymore. Coz people having high expectations from them & they are constantly failing to meet these.

When it comes to new amaze, It's a very boring vehicle by 2024 standards. Only suitable for someone who just wants a 4 cylinder+CVT combo and nothing else.

Cons:
- No new engine & transmission options (a 1.0 turbo MT & AT would have given it an edge over competitors).
- No new colour options (even their obsidian blue is not a new colour actually, it's only new for amaze).
- Poor NVH and fit-finish of materials (known issue in Honda).
- The same elevate interior (which is already medicore).
- The same elevate front profile.
- The same city 5G rear profile.
- More or less the same amaze 2G side profile.
- The same alloy wheels from city 5G pre-facelift version.
- The key fob (even the key fob is same across all the Honda models from past 10 years)
- Missing features (sunroof, leather wrapped steering wheel, leather upholstery, 360 degree cam, adjustable rear head rest and so on)

In comparison, A 2023 I20 ASTA-O facelift (which is based on 3rd Gen of I20, launched way back in 2020) is having additional features like height adjustable seat belts, adjustable rear head rests, sliding arm rest, fully digital speedometer, 10.25" HD head unit, cooled glove box, auto folding orvm with welcome function and puddle lamps, idle start/stop, sunroof with voice commands, interior ambient lighting, leather touches on door pads and seats, leather steering, 16" alloy wheels, USB-C charging ports, tilt + telescopic steering and many more.

[Sri0030]

Originally Posted by saket77

Haven't driven the Honda iVTEC NA 1.2 engine ever but if it draws any of its characteristics with its elder sibling 1.5 NA iVTEC then it should be fine engine.

Never ever expect the "vtec kicked in yo" kinda performance from a 1.2 ivtec, It's a very lethargic engine with poor low end performance.

[DicKy]

Originally Posted by Sri0030

Never ever expect the "vtec kicked in yo" kinda performance from a 1.2 ivtec, It's a very lethargic engine with poor low end performance.

The engines may rev to glory without lose in performance, but don't expect the old school 'vtec kicked in yo' from modern Honda engines.

It is just like how turbo boost used to kick in wildly in older cars, while they are smoothened out and driveable in newer cars, to the point one can't say if it is on turbo boost or not. The 1st gen Honda City Vtec could be the only Indian Honda which had the old school 'vtec kicked in yo' feel. Rest all have vtec or i-vtec but they are smoothened out for more low rev driveability and emissions.

[sjain2054]

My Uncle's (Tauji - Father's elder brother) new Honda Amaze buying journey -

Background:
He is 76 years old and he has a 17 year old Wagon R. He lives in Jaipur. 98% of the time, the car is used within the city. The car is driven by him and he does not have a driver.

Requirements:
1. A reliable, automatic city runabout
2. Safe car
3. Something that sits high so that ingress etc is easy.
4. Budget was 16-17 lakhs.
5. A petrol car only. "Battery waali gaadi" aka EV was completely ruled out.
6. NA engine only because of pure city use and need of low maintenance

Cars shortlisted:
1. Hyundai Exter
2. Maruti Brezza
3. Maruti Fronx/Toyota Taisor
4. Honda Amaze
5. Maruti Dzire
6. Maruti Jimny
7. Honda Elevate

The test drive journey and finalizing a car
1. Hyundai Exter
2. Maruti Brezza
6. Maruti Jimny
7. Honda Elevate

Exter was the first car to be test driven. He realized that his wife and him had trouble "climbing" into the car. He also did not like how the dashboard and bonnet "were too high" and he could not see the road in front with as much clarity as the Wagon R. This learning was extrapolated to other "SUVs" or "high sitting cars" like Brezza, Elevate and Jimny and they were ruled out.

3. Maruti Fronx/Toyota Taisor

These cars were ruled out even before the test drive because their NA engine variants do not have any features that one needs in todays world.

4. Honda Amaze
5. Maruti Dzire

It came down to these two cars. Dzire was a car that he "always loved". Amaze was a car he was keen to explore because he has "driven a Maruti all my life". The first step was to go through the downloaded and printed car brochures. He saw that Amaze has the Lane Watch camera and Adaptive cruise control and a host of other safety features aka ADAS. This, in addition with the beautiful 1.2 NA engine and CVT, sealed the deal right then and there.

He went to test drive the car and immediately decided on paying the booking amount and closing the deal. What were the main selling points -
1. Lane Watch camera - if you press the button and switch the camera on, it remains on for the rest of the drive. If you use the reverse camera, it goes off and then comes back on again automatically when you shift to Drive. Therefore, lane watch camera is not only for using when turning left. This is a boon for him.
2. Ingress etc was the same as his 17 year old Wagon R. It is not too low like most sedans and not too high like micro and compact SUVs of today (This is said in context to him and not a general statement)
3. The beautiful CVT experience
4. Amaze is a sedan and therefore a "proper car". "Actual cars have always been sedans and hatchbacks are 'choti gaadi' and 'SUVs' are for a specific purpose and too big."

He went for ZX variant. The sales guy dissuaded him telling him that if 98% of the time the car is for city use then please do not go for ADAS. But his thinking was that "in the 2% of the time the car goes on highways if ADAS saves my life even once then the 1.2 lakhs extra is worth it for me." And, he was comfortable in knowing that some features he will have to switch off every time he starts the car. Which ones to switch off every time after starting the car? That he will decide after a month of driving and experiencing it. Fair enough, I say.

Now, with this, he could have thrown in i20 CVT in to the consideration (like someone compared i20 and Amaze in a post above) but he was clear on what he wanted.

My point is, every car offers something that makes sense to someone or the other. When people decide on cars, they look at them in their own unique way and habits/requirements. Imagine that a 6 feet tall 76 year old and his wife of 5 feet say Amaze is easier to get in and out of for them than the Exter. On our TBHP forum, we make universal statements that high cars are better for seniors. Not always. Also, among tens of features Dzire or i20 or Exter or Amaze might have, the 1 single thing that sold the car to him was the Lane Watch camera. And it makes so much sense.

On TBHP, in one of my posts, I gave the new Amaze the thumbs down because I did not want the old 1.2L iVTEC engine. But for someone else, its the perfect engine.

PS: I have used too many double inverted commas only to quote my Uncle's words.

[carhead]

During Test Drive of the Manual & CVT versions I could clearly hear a more throaty exhaust noise akin to a header. I own a 2G CVT and felt the difference.

Interestingly no one has mentioned this on earlier posts. Wonder why!

[MJ23]

Originally Posted by professortarzan

I would happily trade a digital tachometer, wireless charger, ADAS for the above mentioned points. And I did. I eventually got a Glanza where all these points are addressed.

Congratulations! Great that you went for Toyota Glanza.
Only Toyota is at par with Honda when it comes to long term reliability and fuss free ownership!

[Bhuvan]

At first glance it appeared to be City. (Dashcam video screenshot, hence the inferior quality)

And my friend's reaction was similar.

[iVishIDrive]

First-time fresh car buyer here. All my other cars were used cars. Booked ZX CVT blue. I actually I like both blue and red but I went with blue because it's a new addition in this gen. They have given delivery timeline as January 2nd week to Jan last week. Now I got a call from the dealership saying a red colour is available for immediate delivery.

1. Should I take this and get it 2025 registered? What difference will it make? Or should I wait for a 2025 manufactured one?
2. They said no discounts available when I booked. Is there any chance of getting a discount for the December car?
3. Is there anything I should confirm with the dealer before deciding?

[V0id2003]

Hi all,
My friend has been facing fluctuating idle RPM on his 1.2 VTEC. It only happens on a cold start and settles between 700-800 rpm after warming up. He hasn't noticed this fluctuating behaviour before in his 5 years of ownership. We got the throttlebody & airfilter cleaned today morning but this behaviour is still there on cold starts.

I am not that concerned since I used to experience the same behaviour on my Duster 1.5 CVT. I have attached the video for reference. Is this something to be concerned about or is it just the ECU trying to finetune the air fuel mixture.

https://streamable.com/2qjppq

[vikasb]

My friend was looking for new Honda Amaze ZX CVT.
He ended up buying Honda City V CVT.
As per him Honda Amaze ZX CVT is 12.6 LPA on road and Honda City V CVT is close to 14 LPA on road after discounts. Feature list is similar. Why not buy Honda city for 1.5 Lacs more?

[saket77]

Originally Posted by iVishIDrive

First-time fresh car buyer here. All my other cars were used cars. Booked ZX CVT blue. I actually I like both blue and red but I went with blue because it's a new addition in this gen. They have given delivery timeline as January 2nd week to Jan last week. Now I got a call from the dealership saying a red colour is available for immediate delivery.

1. Should I take this and get it 2025 registered? What difference will it make? Or should I wait for a 2025 manufactured one?
2. They said no discounts available when I booked. Is there any chance of getting a discount for the December car?
3. Is there anything I should confirm with the dealer before deciding?

My advice will be to wait and get the color of your choice. If you opt for the currently available red car, it will become a 2024 'model' for all practical purposes in future as it will be registered in 2024 only. If you get your blue car in 2025, then even if it is a MY24 car, still, because it will be registered in 2025 & carry this date in the RC, it will be called a 2025 model. This shall help in case of resale etc.
Regarding discounts, it may be a tough one to crack for a freshly launched car, so I am not sure. You may push the dealer for some accessories from their side.

[carhead]

Originally Posted by MJ23

Congratulations! Great that you went for Toyota Glanza.
Only Toyota is at par with Honda when it comes to long term reliability and fuss free ownership!

No offence please. Since the reference is to Glanza(a rebadged Baleno), shouldn't equal credit be given to Maruti Suzuki if not more compared to Toyota?)

[carhead]

Originally Posted by vikasb

My friend was looking for new Honda Amaze ZX CVT.
He ended up buying Honda City V CVT.
As per him Honda Amaze ZX CVT is 12.6 LPA on road and Honda City V CVT is close to 14 LPA on road after discounts. Feature list is similar. Why not buy Honda city for 1.5 Lacs more?

Good observation!

Although the City is a far better car, The only possible reasons:

1. 11% hike is still a steep price increase for 4m segment buyer
2. Many prefer 4m for the smaller footprint
3. Features-No lane watch, wireless charger

[carhead]

Originally Posted by saket77

Only 2 pages in the thread as of now. Sums up the interest of 'car enthusiasts' for a Honda CS.
For me, this will be my pick across the segment. A proper CVT and a 4 cylinder engine is enough to sway the decision in its favour. Aesthetically it appears good too. Haven't driven the Honda iVTEC NA 1.2 engine ever but if it draws any of its characteristics with its elder sibling 1.5 NA iVTEC then it should be fine engine.

Absolutely true. Seems Compact Sedan segment is no longer igniting interest in the Indian consumers mind. 2 pages only!

On a separate note, the 3G Amaze seems adequately spec'd other than lack of 360 degree camera and (useless/potential maintenance hassle) sunroof.

In NCR seems the dealers are not passing any discounts. Interestingly 2G clearance sales can fetch 1 lac + discounts