[audioholic]

Fellow members, could anyone checking out the Kylaq please share whats the software version in the head unit? You can find it in the head unit settings and software information page. Your help will be much appreciated.

[carhead]

Originally Posted by Lovecars

Sorry but I feel that Kylaq is a jacked up Fabia. Now a days, companies are selling hatchback sized cars in the name of Suvs. We are now paying more money for almost the same car. I may be wrong but this is how I feel upon seeing this car in pictures.

Unfortunately this is reality. We crave pseudo onocoque SUVs with useless sun roof.

Having said that, Kylaq is not a hatchback. Driving dynamics and handling would be class leading.

[ShreeUKale]

I am still not able to understand why Kylaq is so criticised for offering less features compared to 3XO, Sonet, etc.

Their study has shown them that majority of people dont care/notice/want the critical or unique feature when they were made available on older Skoda/VW.

For Example, All 4 windows one touch up/down, Remote opening/closing of windows, Rear wipers from comfortline, High grade interior plastic and many more. Very few appreciated them.

I now just hope they don’t compromise on their USP’s.

It is the study that might have made them take the move to provide such features specific in top models for Kylaq.

They have started shaping based on the our market requirement and not the VAG way.

[horseblood]

So another opportunity to make themselves relevant in the Indian market has been tossed by Skoda with this crazy pricing. Apart from the base model, everything up seems overpriced and out of touch with market realities.

What happened to the 'passing-on-sub-4m-tax-benefits-to-the-customer' and the plan to have economies of scale to reduce component prices on other models (Kushaq, Slavia)? And the turnaround promises?

These 'volks' make themselves irrelevant with each passing day. Sad!

[Tanu3000]

Originally Posted by Pkumarblore

Thanks for the clarification. The reason why I asked is because the AT on my 2012 Petrol Rapid was a very lousy one, one of the most boring AT's to drive, maybe because it was mated to a very dull petrol engine. I dont know if VW/Skoda changed it later.

What engine does your 2012 Petrol Rapid have? Is it the 1.6MPI? Have you test driven their current range of TSI (1.0, 1.5, 2.0) engines?

I don't think the gearbox is the issue.

Cheers.

[Tanu3000]

I will take a slightly contrarian view on this thread. Yes, the Kylaq fails in many comparisons. Be it;

• Price vs features
• Price vs size
• Price vs VFM

It does not make any "RATIONAL" sense to select this car over the fully loaded/powerful/desirable XUV 3XO, the Uber smart Sonet, or the workhorse Nexon. We can all agree on this. VW/Skoda fanboys or not.

But, the beauty of the Indian Car Market is that we now have multiple car choices. What if a customer finds the XUV 3XO too flashy, the Sonet cramped, and the Nexon too common? What is the customer doesn't find Mahindra aspirational, doesn't trust KIA with safety, and hates the lack of attention to detail in Tata's cars. (No offense, to respective car owners intended !!). Without the Kylaq, this segment would miss out on such a customer. I agree there are not too many such people. The Kylaq is not going to set the sales charts on fire. We know that...

But the beauty is those few now have an option. Let's celebrate that. We should celebrate every type of customer being catered to. That shows the maturity of the Indian car market and I am proud of it. Jai Hind

P:S: This is personal for me. My wife is going to be upgrading from a 2021 Baleno to this car. I have tried pushing all the alternatives on her (Fronx/Sonet/3XO). She wouldn't touch any of them with a 10 foot pole

Live and let live folks.

[Pkumarblore]

Originally Posted by Tanu3000

What engine does your 2012 Petrol Rapid have? Is it the 1.6MPI? Have you test driven their current range of TSI (1.0, 1.5, 2.0) engines?

I don't think the gearbox is the issue.

Cheers.

Hi, it was the 1.6MPI. I sold the car after one year of ownership. The engine was very dull and unresponsive. I drove the 1.0 TSI Rapid MT when it was launched.That car was superb. I guess the AT was well mated to it as reviews were good.

[Tanu3000]

Originally Posted by Pkumarblore

Hi, it was the 1.6MPI. I sold the car after one year of ownership. The engine was very dull and unresponsive. I drove the 1.0 TSI Rapid MT when it was launched.That car was superb. I guess the AT was well mated to it as reviews were good.

I had test-driven the AT with the 1.0 TSI in the polo when it was still on sale 3 years back. Had a brilliant experience.

I had test-driven the same AT with the 1.0 TSI in the Taigun 2 years back. The performance was a bit muted. But I believe that was due to the weight of the car, rather than the AT gearbox.

P:S: For reference, I drive a Taigun 1.5 TSI DSG currently

Cheers.

[DicKy]

Originally Posted by volkman10

Skoda Kylaq launched in India with a starting price of...

So they are offering automatic in the Signature too?

Cool.

Signature automatic and pay extra RS.9k for the black colour. Perfect.

Ofcourse, missing rear wiper, rear view camera and hill hold (c'mon Skoda. Even the Alto AMT gets hill hold now). But 2 lakhs plus difference is too much for the Signature+. On the bright side no touch AC controls, no half hearted digital instrument cluster and overall less stuff to go wrong in the Signature.

[Lalvaz]

Originally Posted by ShreeUKale

I am still not able to understand why Kylaq is so criticised for offering less features compared to 3XO, Sonet, etc.

Their study has shown them that majority of people dont care/notice/want the critical or unique feature when they were made available on older Skoda/VW.

For Example, All 4 windows one touch up/down, Remote opening/closing of windows, Rear wipers from comfortline, High grade interior plastic and many more. Very few appreciated them.

I now just hope they don’t compromise on their USP’s.

It is the study that might have made them take the move to provide such features specific in top models for Kylaq.

Would you be so kind as to share this study for us to read? I thought that the VAG customers were discerning and opted for VAG cars because they appreciated the build quality, the driving dynamics and these features. Even the Team BHP reviews regularly highlighted some of these features. Now you're saying that their study revealed otherwise, so I would really like to read their study.

[ShreeUKale]

Originally Posted by Lalvaz

Even the Team BHP reviews regularly highlighted some of these features. Now you're saying that their study revealed otherwise, so I would really like to read their study.

Completely agree.
It is the Team BHP reviews which have made people(Non members mostly) aware and highlighted the uniqueness the VWG provided.
Zero doubt on that.

When asked in multiple showrooms the reason for eliminating the said features, the explanation I got is they want to focus more on the features which are popular in the segment/competition and therefore might do away with the ones which are less preferred by the Indian market.

[Lalvaz]

Originally Posted by ShreeUKale

Completely agree.
It is the Team BHP reviews which have made people(Non members mostly) aware and highlighted the uniqueness the VWG provided.
Zero doubt on that.

No, People have been buying cars even before they became members of Team BHP. A simple test drive shows the differences in VAG cars versus a Maruti or a Hyundai or even a Honda.

Originally Posted by ShreeUKale

When asked in multiple showrooms the reason for eliminating the said features, the explanation I got is they want to focus more on the features which are popular in the segment/competition and therefore might do away with the ones which are less preferred by the Indian market.

So are you now saying that there is no such "study". It was only hearsay from Skoda Showrooms. Well if thats the case, then I wouldn't give that too much importance. Showroom staff are known to lie in order to deflect criticism of missing features. Which VAG customer feels that the 2.0 cars are better built than the earlier iterations? And which VAG customer would prefer 2.0 over the earlier iteration? Not one customer in my opinion.

[ShreeUKale]

Originally Posted by Lalvaz

So are you now saying that there is no such "study". It was only hearsay from Skoda Showrooms. Well if thats the case, then I wouldn't give that too much importance. Showroom staff are known to lie in order to deflect criticism of missing features. Which VAG customer feels that the 2.0 cars are better built than the earlier iterations? And which VAG customer would prefer 2.0 over the earlier iteration? Not one customer in my opinion.

I agree the earlier iterations were way too superior in terms of built and handling. Some features were segment first, I still remember Fabia offered with soft touch materials for the dashboard
My brother-in-law owns Vento and we own i20 and Polo and when we compare the SAVW 2.0 cars with Polo and Vento, The later does not feel the same especially Interior fit and finish.
However, even with the 2.0 cars they drive a lot better than the competitors.

[sukrit7]

I was extremely excited about the Kylaq, but try as I might, the prices for this seem tough to justify. The variants under the signature + seem to miss out on many necessary features. I haven't driven either but the AX5L XUV3XO and the i20N Line N6 seem like tempting driver-oriented cars for similar prices or less. The Kylaq is likely to be a shade better but I find it tough to convince myself towards it.

May I add that Skoda's strategy is flabbergasting. No full-fledged media reviews, no cars available at the dealership either? Why go this route at all.

[Tanu3000]

Originally Posted by Lalvaz

Which VAG customer feels that the 2.0 cars are better built than the earlier iterations? And which VAG customer would prefer 2.0 over the earlier iteration? Not one customer in my opinion.

Hi Lalvaz,

I read your response to another post and thought you would really appreciate going through a slightly long post by me more than 2 years back, concerning VAG 2.0 cars.

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/offic...ml#post5599820 (Volkswagen Taigun Review)

Now regarding the omission of features in VAG2.0 cars, ShreeUKale is not wrong. There was a study done by Skoda/VW before the launch of their 2.0 cars. The study comprised focus groups and was just given an offhand mention by VW's brand director (Ashish Gupta) in one of his interviews at the launch of the Taigun. The results of these focus groups were never released to the general public.

Now I can give you my take on the missing features. I owned a PQ25 (Polo) for 7 years and currently own a MQB-AO-IN (Taigun GT+) for the last 2 years. I can give my usage for the missing features:

• All 4 windows up-down: Used 2-3 times in 7 years on my Polo
• Rear Wipers: Used a few times just because I have them, not because I need them

Now this "OBVIOUSLY" is not conclusive. But I am inclined to believe Ashish Gupta when they said they had focus group discussions regarding features.

Cheers.