[Babayaga_g007]

Originally Posted by kgt.v8

How was the quality of 360-degree camera and cameras mounted on the ORVMs? I am asking because the 360-degree camera on XUV700 does not have a lot of clarity and video looks somewhat pixelated and leaves wanting for more as compared to 360-degree camera on Creta/Seltos?

I did take a td of the ax5l, the camera quality is definitely a lot better than the xuv700. Even the sales rep was surprised with the quality

[im_revhead]

As per the brochure, Mahindra offers 3 years of free RSA. Then, is there a need to still add on RSA to the insurance?

[backtochennai]

Originally Posted by im_revhead

As per the brochure, Mahindra offers 3 years of free RSA. Then, is there a need to still add on RSA to the insurance?

I am confused by RSA as well as there has been conflicting details from dealership and what I see in my Mahindra App/ With you Hamesha.

I can see my RSA is valid for 3 years but I do not see any option in the WYH while in the mobile app I get an notification 'No scheme available for entered inputs'.

Can someone please provide some inputs on how the RSA works and does it require additional purchase?

[Stormbringer]

Originally Posted by 3XOfirstcar

Is there any way, Team Bhp forum or we members can collectively ask Mahindra to address the Apple car play issue, their website still says 3XO has applecar play, while we are waiting for it since launch.
I had mailed customercare at mahindra, they looped in my SA and she replied saying we have no provision for AppleCar Play yet. This was for AX5 AT.

It’s devious to loop in the SA. The software comes from OEM. Why would the dealership have an update on this?

Based on suggestions from some of the BHPians in this thread, I messaged in the WA group created by my dealer. Surprisingly, the reply came from a Mahindra contact saying it’s expected in November.

I’d love to know if there’s a way for us to collectively reach out to OEM as well.

[backtochennai]

Originally Posted by Fravia

Congratulations. Did you get an estimate of the mileage?

Hope this helps. MID shows mileage to be 11.9. I have driven around 1300 kms which consists of 800 (Highway) + 500 (City).

[Stormbringer]

Did any of the 3XO owners from Bangalore get the parcel tray? I’ve been following up with PPS Kanakapura Rd for the past 2 months and they always say it is not yet available. If you were able to buy it from another dealer in the city, I’ll be happy to check with them.

[ashkamath]

Originally Posted by Stormbringer

Did any of the 3XO owners from Bangalore get the parcel tray? I’ve been following up with PPS Kanakapura Rd for the past 2 months and they always say it is not yet available. If you were able to buy it from another dealer in the city, I’ll be happy to check with them.

There's an interesting story behind the 3XO parcel tray.

Has anyone noticed that Mahindra XUV 3XO Brochure and all Auto portals mention that 3XO has a boot space of 364 liters.

Now this volume of 364 liters boot space is the volume of space available in the enclosure from the boot bed to the roof behind the rear seat and boot door.

Conventionally speaking, boot space is calculated as volume from boot bed to the rear seat height or technically upto rear parcel tray.

So, the volume between the rear parcel tray to boot bed is the actual boot space that's mentioned in all most all the cars

The reason again is the boot space of a sedan. The boot of a sedan is say from the boot roof (almost the height of rear parcel tray in the car) to boot bed. There's no other possibilities there

We all know that 3XO has a very small boot. The volume of boot space from parcel tray level to boot bed in this car is 295 Liters. This is just a shade more than Maruti Swift boot space and 3XO is in the sub 4 mtr compact SUV space while Swift is a small hatchback.

So, Mahindra had to do something about it.

Imagine if Mahindra provided a parcel tray on 3XO. They would be forced to consider the boot space as 295 ltr as per convention.

So, what did they do? They just removed the parcel tray as standard OEM feature in all 3XO variants, right from MX1 to AX7L. Some could ask, if Mahindra could give a panaromic sunroof and auto dimming headlight and rain sensing wipers and 4 disc brakes, ACC and a plethora of features, what stopped them to provide a puny parcel tray costing a thousand rupees?

Well, without the parcel tray as an original accessory (though purchasable from them as extra accessory) , Mahindra now can successfully claim that 3XO has a reasonably larger boot space of 364 liters (from roof to floor in boot area) instead of conventional 295 liters.

Mahindra think tank is clever. No one really looks deep into these things. They know it and they know how to make their 3XO look better (On brochure, I mean)

[WinterDust]

Originally Posted by ashkamath

Now this volume of 364 liters boot space is the volume of space available in the enclosure from the boot bed to the roof behind the rear seat and boot door.

This is according to ISO V215 specifications and they mention it in the brochure. I believe this is a right move and Mahindra should have done it in XUV300 also because when compared to Nexon, the boot space difference is huge on paper as Nexon is using ISO V215 to measure boot space since always. Mahindra only started doing it from 3XO.

While doing specs comparison, at least now people are comparing apple to apple and not apple to oranges.

Originally Posted by Fravia

Did you get an estimate of the mileage?

I got 14kmpl in TGDI manual across 2 separate trips of ~300km. 30km was city ride and 120km was highway. I also calculated the mileage manually and is was very close to what I was getting in the instrument cluster.

[ashkamath]

Originally Posted by WinterDust

This is according to ISO V215 specifications and they mention it in the brochure. I believe this is a right move and Mahindra should have done it in XUV300 also because when compared to Nexon, the boot space difference is huge on paper as Nexon is using ISO V215 to measure boot space since always. Mahindra only started doing it from 3XO.

While doing specs comparison, at least now people are comparing apple to apple and not apple to oranges.

This is interesting. I just noticed that TATA Safari uses multimedia ISO Standards for their various variants & seaters such as ISO V211, ISO V212, ISO V214, & ISO V215.
So, within one model, they follow different standards based on their seating arrangements.

So, technically the car manufacturer can use the standard that suits them the most and discard other standards.

I wonder what ISO standards, the Sedans follow. They don't seem to have much wriggle room here.

Is there anywhere I can read all these different standards & understand them better? Is any pdf download available?

[WinterDust]

Originally Posted by ashkamath

Is there anywhere I can read all these different standards & understand them better? Is any pdf download available?

I found this: https://www.wapcar.my/carpedia/lugga...me-of-a-car-10

[ashkamath]

Originally Posted by WinterDust

I found this: https://www.wapcar.my/carpedia/lugga...me-of-a-car-10

Thanks. I found it quite helpful and informative. I appreciate your time and effort to search & post the link to the article.

From the article I gather,

<Quote>
V214 is a five-seater model with folding rear seat backrests, with a maximum loading height of the roof space;

V215 is a five-seater model without folding seat backs, and the loading height is the roof of the trunk space;
<Unquote>

Mahindra XUV 3XO comes with foldable rear seat backrest right? If that's correct, then the standard should be V214 instead of V215?

[WinterDust]

Originally Posted by ashkamath

Mahindra XUV 3XO comes with foldable rear seat backrest right? If that's correct, then the standard should be V214 instead of V215?

Yup, 60:40 split. Don't know why they used V215 then. If someone here knows the in and out of boot space measurement, please shed some light.

[MadrasMechanic]

Hi all,

Recently, after 7 years of happy smiles on my Figo Sport Diesel, have to change to an automatic, as my wife could no longer handle the love required to live with the Figo's clutch. And so the hunt began! we started looking for reliable Automatics in the compact SUV space, and the 3XO stood out specifically the TGDi configuration.

I took a Test drive of the 1.2 TCMPFi (AX5 Manual) and 1.2 TGDi (AX7L AT) over the past few days.

Initial Impressions are that the power difference between the two engines is noticeable and the shifts in the reliable TC unit were smooth with linear force on the accelerator. Under normal driving conditions, I felt the power delivery in the TGDi was not jarringly punchy in the mid-range like some other Turbo Petrols, and the lag was not that noticeable. My wife drove the TGDi and she didn't notice the turbo lag at all, she also quite enjoyed the drive considering she was used to the Figo's heavy clutch.

One thing I disliked was the absence of paddle shifters and that the Manual Mode in the Automatic is pretty bland and responses were OK at best. The transmission would not let me downshift unless it reached a particular speed as another member mentioned. In my case, I tried to downshift from 2nd to 1st gear at 26, but it didn't let me downshift till the speed came down to around 18kmph.

After going through the TDs of other cars in this segment, we decided to proceed with the 3XO. Now here comes my confusion.

While going through the thread, some people mentioned the 3XO needs RON95 Fuel. With some googling, I saw that this was the case for most Direct Injection engines because of carbon deposit accumulation with regular petrol.

When I asked the SA, he mentioned that the TGDi has been around for some time now, and no one has complained about problems because of using regular petrol. He also mentioned that their training also didn't mention about RON95 requirement and even our demo vehicles use the regular petrol only. I checked with the Owners Manual link that was shared in the thread, and I compared it by reading the owner's manual in other Turbo Petrol cars.

While other manufacturers also recommend RON95, they also mention the minimum RON91 must be used.

Screenshot of 3XO's fuel requirement mentioned in the owner's manual:


Here is the VW Virtus 1.5 TSI's fuel requirement as per the owner's manual:


Now my doubt is whether the fuel requirement is for both turbo petrol engines in the 3XO or if Mahindra is just wording the requirements vaguely so that they don't get caught for emission norms.

I'm curious what the Turbo Petrol owners here, have been fuelling with. Happy to hear your thoughts!

Cheers!

[ashkamath]

Originally Posted by MadrasMechanic

After going through the TDs of other cars in this segment, we decided to proceed with the 3XO. Now here comes my confusion.

While going through the thread, some people mentioned the 3XO needs RON95 Fuel. With some googling, I saw that this was the case for most Direct Injection engines because of carbon deposit accumulation with regular petrol.

When I asked the SA, he mentioned that the TGDi has been around for some time now, and no one has complained about problems because of using regular petrol. He also mentioned that their training also didn't mention about RON95.

Now my doubt is whether the fuel requirement is for both turbo petrol engines in the 3XO or if Mahindra is just wording the requirements vaguely so that they don't get caught for emission norms.

I had raised this RON95 fuel matter more than once in this thread.

The carbon deposit accumulation in engine with regular petrol could be attributed to substandard fuel (below manufacturer's recommendations) does not burn sufficiently (incomplete combustion) in the combustion chamber, which leads to create carbon deposits on the combustion chamber, piston ring groove, spark plug and intake valve back. This carbon deposit develops, corrosion and wear severity within the engine.

I believe RON95 has additives to prevent exactly the same. However carbon cleaning can be done at regular intervals to counter this situation for a small amount and get the engine back in shape.

My other concern is with Ethanol Blending with petrol. I read that as of June /July 2024, 12.7% Ethanol blending has been achieved and the goal is 20% Ethanol blending by 2025. Ethanol is hygroscopic (absorbs moisture) and that's not good for a high compression Turbo engine. It seems like Govt policies (of ethanol blending) and manufacturers (more Turbo engines) are going exactly opposite direction in this regard.

Infact I read on the inside of fuel cap of a car ( IIRC it must be Hyundai Venue or Kia Sonet, not sure though) that Not more than 10% Ethanol blended fuel must be used.

As of now, there are no problems. But with the increased Ethanol blending and with a sub-par RON91 regular petrol, the problem could get exacerbated in future. Again these are all ifs and buts. The present generation engines are built very robust and the advanced technology adopted could well keep these engines good and performing well for a long period of time.

Another POV is that most manufacturers are bringing out smaller Turbo petrol engines for the obvious reason of size and power advantage and at some point they would have thought what we are discussing here now and have plans to sort it out. I believe the engineers at these car companies are definitely smart blokes and know what they are doing.

I inquired with my neighbour, who owns a Turbo petrol XUV300 since last 4 years and clocked a mileage of 60,000 Kms. He was clueless about the RON95 fuel requirement. He said he uses normal petrol and his car is doing fine. Further, he had no idea how the Turbo worked and was quite satisfied with the power & Torque delivery. That's the case with most of the car owners today.

There's a thread in this forum about Hyundai Turbo cars failing abruptly and the travails that followed. It must be a couple of years old thread. We don't know how many of those car Turbo failures were due to sub-par fuel quality.

I wouldn't bother asking these questions with the SA, technicians at Mahindra workshop or Managers at the showroom, as invariably I get a blank look or it's brushed aside as inconsequential and with the standard reply. "Nothing has gone wrong as of date. All our Turbo engine cars are running fine and customers are very happy. We use regular petrol and all is well". The question has to be tweeted to right people, the Mahindra engineers instead of the SAs here. They are the right people to answer this query.

Anyways, I have booked a 3XO and when it arrives, I have decided to fill her with RON95 every 3rd fill (while first 2 fills will be regular petrol, perhaps with some additives added or none). So for every 2 regular petrol filling, the 3rd filling will be RON95. That's my plan as of now.. Let's see, how things pan out

[rhk_3XO]

Originally Posted by Fravia

Congratulations. Did you get an estimate of the mileage?

Thank you!
I got an average mileage of around 12 KMPL even though it was a highway. I think it has to do with those frequent diversions, slow-moving patches and the 9 KM jungle safari in between.

The road from Chennai-Kaveripakkam toll was bad anyway but now there are diversions on the road from Ranipet-Chittoor, especially in those areas where the upcoming expressway cuts across the existing highway (which is also under construction)