[rroy92]

Originally Posted by ComboCutter

The head unit asking press OK button .... A workaround for short stop starts is putting the car in accessories mode...

In the head unit of Jazz 2019, it will still ask to press the ok button even when starting from accessory mode. The reason being, the head unit power cycles during the engine start. Is the elevate different?

[INDIAFIRST]

Happy Diwali in advance to fellow community members. While the much awaited TBHP model wise monthly car sales for Oct23 is yet to be published it is evident that Elevates Oct’23 sales is < 5593 (Reference)

My query: Why cant Honda increase Elevates output? There is waiting >2 months for most models. Or is this a strategic ploy. Honda VP Sales says daily capacity (all models incl exports) is 660. See timestamp 5:52 in the video below. This translates to approx 20,000 per month. Still their cumulative monthly sales is <10,000.What is the issue?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgy7ZQ68Oks

[myavu]

Originally Posted by INDIAFIRST

Generally interested how 'long' were your test drives- distance & duration wise?

One showroom provided the car for ~5 Kms and other for ~8 Kms. Both with internal congested roads and 2 KMs of Gurgaon Expressway. Former Signature Tower entry to IFFCO Chowk exit and later Service road entry towards IFFCO Chowk exit and good portion of MG Road till Guru Dronacharya metro station and back with good traffic. Second showroom test drive was basically for FIL to reinforce the decision since he felt car was huge comparing to his Figo 2010. (First Test Drive he was a front passenger when I was at the wheels).

Both test drives happened on Sundays that too late evening.

[UD17]

Originally Posted by INDIAFIRST

says daily capacity (all models incl. exports) is 660.

On some days they can hit these numbers and some days it would be much lower. That's where efficiency comes in to picture. Then there are other issues:

- Raw material shortages from suppliers
- Quality issues of incoming components from supplier
- Internal quality issues within the company
- Absentisum
-Vacation, Holidays and weekends

Realistically= 660 (cars/day)*25 (days)*.85 (85% efficiency- considering all above disruptive factors) = 14000 Cars/Month.

Then they have different models and different variants (Vehicle+ Engine) to balance out. Many times components (or subcomponents) are common across models/Variants, so any shortages or quality issues arising out of those components also impact the productivity.

[shibujp]

Got a chance to check out the Elevate a few days back. On display was the manual top spec version in Golden Brown Metallic. The colour looks quite good but kind of dulls the expanse of black grill and the fog light enclosures. I like the contrast better so perhaps a lighter colour. The overall design is non polarising, typical Honda India - elegant and classy. I actually loved the design of the Elevate in the launch pictures itself. The SUV may seem to have limited road presence externally but offers a completely different perspective behind the wheel. More of that later.

What I really like about Honda interiors is the seats especially in the City and now the Elevate. The way the seats are shaped, designed and contoured will make a car from the luxury stables proud. The rear has good legroom and the upward slanted floor is a very nice feature. However I was not to convinced about the H point and felt that the back rest could be a little more reclined. Didn’t spend too much time so it is just a quick inference. I loved the upholstery and there is always a certain class and finish to these kind of things in a Honda. The dashboard by current standards is a bit plain but the ergonomics are spot on. The gear knob in the manual though is that small golf ball like knob in the Honda. Something more substantial would have been good. 6 speed manual. Providing buttons for the HVAC control is a welcome comeback. I am not a fan of screens jutting out of the dash but that seems to be the order of the day. Did not spend much time on the screen so don’t know how slick it is. Boot space too was vey substantial and builds up from the Honda City.

The variant available for a test drive was the automatic. Visibility to very good all around. Inside behind the drivers seat the vehicle feels substantial. The upright bonnet means that the whole expanse of the bonnet is visible to you and it feel a much wider vehicle than it actually is. Gives you a feeling of piloting something pretty substantial. The automatic gear box was not very enthusiastic and my attempts to poke it into life by punching the accelerator only resulted in the typically rubber band effect and a free riving engine before it selected the right ratios. What is good though is that the paddle shifts are very helpful in smoothing out the shifts and are very intuitive to use. One thing though, I noticed that they don’t turn with the wheel so that caught me out a couple of times mid corner. If you dial back things a bit it does translate to a very smooth and efficient affair silently going about its business. The manual seems to be the drivers car as the automatic does not allow you to savor the famed 1.5L NA engine in its truest form.

Overall I liked the Elevate for what it offers. Is the 1.5 NA a bummer among the current crop of turbo charged petrols and what have you. Yes possibly but I now happily cavort around in a 1.5 litre NA Jimny and just love the experience. So performance will be anyway better. However before a final verdict I need to drive the MT as I feel that that will be the true driver’s variant. Features are not as plentiful and flamboyant as the competition but it does come with ADAS. However the feature of the camera view when you put in the indicators is implemented on the central screen rather than on the instrument cluster as in the Seltos which I felt was a bit of an anti pattern. Somehow it feels more intuitive to glance at your mirrors. Overall at 18 lakhs on road for the MT top spec in Trivandrum, I think it is one of the best value SUVs on the market today.

Drive on,
Shibu

[autonmus_drivr]

Pain in right calf, anyone?

Hi all, just finished a month ownership and first service. Overall, such a joy to drive. Finding every excuse the take the car out!

One challenge though.. have been noticing pain and stiffness in my right calf after a 45 min drive. Tried different seating positions but not a lot of difference. Anyone else faced this or any suggestions?

For context, I am 6'3" and have the seat at the lowest height and farthest away, steering at the up and pulled forward position.

[outdoorlover]

Originally Posted by autonmus_drivr

Pain in right calf, anyone?

Hi all, just finished a month ownership and first service. Overall, such a joy to drive. Finding every excuse the take the car out!

One challenge though.. have been noticing pain and stiffness in my right calf after a 45 min drive. Tried different seating positions but not a lot of difference. Anyone else faced this or any suggestions?

For context, I am 6'3" and have the seat at the lowest height and farthest away, steering at the up and pulled forward position.

The pain could stem from the fact that the bottom of your thigh wouldnt get much support as the driver's seat can't be pushed back much on the Elevate. Needs some ergonomy expert to look at and prescribe the best solution.

[specialist1968]

Originally Posted by autonmus_drivr

Pain in right calf, anyone?

.....................................

This was the fear I too had after sitting for some time in the front seat (I am 6ft tall). Elevate was ticking most other boxes. Had to drop without even a test drive as I was fearful of fatigue during long drives due to the seating position, elevated floor and the poor under thigh support (irrespective of a very good visually appealing seat). In comparison, a city (having the same front seat) and an amaze in the showroom felt much more comfortable, ergonomic and reassuring to sit. I wish they will replace the seat with a better one soon.

[pannags]

Originally Posted by autonmus_drivr

One challenge though.. have been noticing pain and stiffness in my right calf after a 45 min drive. Tried different seating positions but not a lot of difference. Anyone else faced this or any suggestions?

I don't want to sound discouraging, but this is the one reason I pulled back my booking. I'm 5' 10" ish and was struggling with finding a comfortable position that provides adequate thigh support. Don't get me wrong - I found the seat cushioning, lumbar and shoulder support, visibility etc. to be nearly perfect, but under thigh support was an issue everytime I drove the car

One thing you could try is using a slim custom cushion that tapers down the front of the seat. I had something like that on my Esteem many years ago.



Source: Amazon

Happy to hear that you're otherwise enjoying your car. Hope you find a solution to improve sitting comfort on long drives.

[SoumenD]

Originally Posted by INDIAFIRST

My query: Why cant Honda increase Elevates output? There is waiting >2 months for most models. Or is this a strategic ploy. Honda VP Sales says daily capacity (all models incl exports) is 660. See timestamp 5:52 in the video below. This translates to approx 20,000 per month. Still their cumulative monthly sales is <10,000.What is the issue?

No issue, their plant capacity is ~15000 per month. 10k for domestic & 5k export is max they can do IMO.



This has been discussed quite a few times but looks like Honda is happy with the capacity & eventual numbers for now.

[autonmus_drivr]

Originally Posted by outdoorlover

The pain could stem from the fact that the bottom of your thigh wouldnt get much support as the driver's seat can't be pushed back much on the Elevate.

Originally Posted by specialist1968

This was the fear I too had after sitting for some time in the front seat (I am 6ft tall).

Originally Posted by pannags

Don't get me wrong - I found the seat cushioning, lumbar and shoulder support, visibility etc. to be nearly perfect, but under thigh support was an issue everytime I drove the car

One thing you could try is using a slim custom cushion that tapers down the front of the seat. I had something like that on my Esteem many years ago.

Attachment 2529477

Source: Amazon

Thanks all.

My hypothesis is that the root cause may not be lack of under thigh support. It feels like the angle of the foot - heel to toe.. more steep than other cars.

So, wondering if any other Elevate users felt something similar.

The reason I think that, i suffer from lower under thigh in all my earlier / other cars, including i10, Ertiga and Swift.

[haridsv]

Originally Posted by haridsv

Bluetooth doesn't automatically reconnect.

An update on the BT reconnect. What I noticed is that it does reconnect to the last device, though I expected it to be quicker or at least give a visual indication that it is trying to connect, so I don't have any inconvenience in playing music/podcasts on a daily basis, but it still doesn't enable Android Auto. On the phone, I get the message to use the car display to setup Android Auto, but on the infotainment system, I have to go into the BT device settings and turn on Android Auto 1 or 2 times before it gets enabled and the view switches over. I haven't tried the USB connection to see if it works any better.

[ajmat]

Originally Posted by SoumenD

No issue, their plant capacity is ~15000 per month. 10k for domestic & 5k export is max they can do IMO.

A capacity of 15000 does not mean that they can actually do 15000

Different inputs dictate this

1. Machine capacity - May run at 85% to ensure consistency and optimum wear. Also give some buffer in the case of a stoppage. It may run at 75% but can ramp up to make up on lost profit
   
2. Manpower - Perhaps 3 shifts could achieve this. This would mean employing more people and hence fixed costs. This hampers flexibility if there is a downturn
   
3. Material- The supply chain need to match capacity

The Elevate may have a waitlist now but a year down the line, the initial demand will taper and match current capacity due to competition or saturated market.

[outdoorlover]

Originally Posted by specialist1968

This was the fear I too had after sitting for some time in the front seat (I am 6ft tall). Elevate was ticking most other boxes. Had to drop without even a test drive as I was fearful of fatigue during long drives due to the seating position, elevated floor and the poor under thigh support (irrespective of a very good visually appealing seat). In comparison, a city (having the same front seat) and an amaze in the showroom felt much more comfortable, ergonomic and reassuring to sit. I wish they will replace the seat with a better one soon.

The driver's seat in the City actually moves back much more than it does on the Elevate hence you didnt feel the lack of under-thigh support.

[driverdoc]

My Honda Elevate ZX CVT is scheduled for PDI today. Dealer Hallmark Honda, Navi Mumbai.
I've scheduled PDI through Zekardo, and informed the showroom manager of the same.
Shocked to hear him say that he has never heard of a customer doing a PDI, let alone a third party vendor like Zekardo. He said third party PDI is not allowed. They have done internal PDI, and have found no problems.
I had done PDI for my Hyundai Aura 2 years ago, and they were most welcoming of it.
Should I be worried in view of the reticence for PDI on part of the showroom?