[W.A.G.7]

Why do I get the déjà vu feeling that they are going to mess up the pricing big time and ultimately this will be a huge sales dud? Of course I would be more than happy if I am proved wrong. I was really hoping I could consider replacing my EcoSport with the Elevate, but now it looks like I am better off holding onto my EcoSport for another five years!

[venus1975]

Originally Posted by varunswnt

After watching V, VX and ZX walkaround videos
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Sunglass holder - VX and ZX

Where did you find the Sunglass holder? I didn't see one in the roof: https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attac...nterior_36.jpg

[ani_meher]

When I sat on the driver's seat, I felt that while the car is high off the ground, my legs were at a similar 45 degree angle reaching out to the pedals as they are in a sedan. Somehow, it feels that City was hacked up so the seating position remained similar to a sedan, and not to a chair like one, as we expect from an SUV.

[skarthiksr]

Originally Posted by motographer

3. Driver seat travel is definitely less and felt cramped in its most rear position even for someone like me who's 5'11". My knee was touching the lower extent of dashboard.

I too have the same observation. Unless I push the seat a bit too behind, I am finding that my right knee is hitting the bottom of the steering wheel/dash when I move my foot from accelerator pedal to brake pedal(CVT). There seems to a bit of larger protrusion under the steering in Elevate and it comes straight along the brake pedal. I sat on the City and did not feel this knee issue. I couldn't check multiple times as the cars were not parked next to each other. So, wanted to know if this is a common observation for many(The knee hitting the dash) or only a few like me find it so. May be I should reduce the seat height along with tilt/telescopic adjustment and check again next time.

[Explorer...]

Originally Posted by baridbej

in the back seat of a polo and the lack of receiving the AC air while on trips in summers.

My disappointment took me to Skoda showroom nearby to reaffirm whether VAG is the one that I should continue using or stick to while upgrading. Sitting inside the Kushaq, made me realise that even though this is VAG India 2.0 but still far better than the Honda in terms of build quality, paint and finish.

I am in the same boat as you. Planning to move up from a hatch.
Are you sure VAGs have decent throw of air upto the back seat (even if assisted by rear vents)?
I am in Delhi, so my concern is bigger than yours in this regard.
Can't imagine being in a car where back seat travel is the least comfortable, where my two girls will spend quite a bit of time.

[varunswnt]

Originally Posted by venus1975

Where did you find the Sunglass holder? I didn't see one in the roof: https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attac...nterior_36.jpg

Thank you for bringing out the error.
I've updated the post with the correct information.

[TJ02]

Originally Posted by Explorer...

I am in the same boat as you. Planning to move up from a hatch.
Are you sure VAGs have decent throw of air upto the back seat (even if assisted by rear vents)?
I am in Delhi, so my concern is bigger than yours in this regard.

Yes my friend is using 1.0 AT for the last 1.5 years in Delhi, no issues with the AC.

[Behemoth]

I finally got a chance to see the Honda Elevate at the Frontier Honda showroom on Sohna road in Gurgaon today.
Contrary to other users, my impressions of the car are quite good. I found the interiors quite nice looking and spacious. The car on display was a Blue version and it looks really nice in that colour. The infotainment and Driver information system are also simple and nice.
Here are some pics of the car I took.













To me it seems like a feature rich car (in comparison to my Gen 1 Jeep Compass )

I found the build quality at par with the segment, if not better. The interiors are also much better than its competitors like the Kushaq, Taigun, Grand Vitara and the Hyryder.

After seeing the car in person. I have booked the Elevate in ZX CVT and have also cancelled my Hycross booking (after waiting over 9 months for delivery!). To me the Hycross ZX which now costs 34.4 lacs in Gurgaon on road makes no sense (we don't need another 7 seater as we already have Hector Plus too). The Honda elevate should be a good 13-14 lacs cheaper on road and actually has better interiors than the Hycross (I checked both vehicles again to confirm).
I also measured the Elevate boot space (using physical dimension measurement ) and found the usable boot space to be 354 L (Below parcel shelf), which is much better than the Seltos, Creta and my Compass).
So for now have decided to go ahead with the Elevate. But price announcement is expected on Sep 4th and the service advisor is expecting an on road price of 19lacs for the top end Zx cvt version, which will be good value.
The car while not outstanding in any specific area, will be good in most areas and is a practical choice.

[furyrider]

Checked the Elevate last weekend. While the features looks disappointing on paper, the vehicle turned out to be good.

Since there are a lot of reviews posted here already, I would like to provide the perspective of my cousin who is looking to upgrade from an elite i20 (in no particular order).
1. Sheet metal seems to be at par with other Honda vehicles or even the competition. However, when my cousin rested his palm on the bonnet, I could not help but notice the flex on the bonnet. Build seems to be decent otherwise. Also, the panel gaps are not consistent at some places. The bumper of the TD vehicle seems to be misaligned at the left - I am guessing this is a one-off situation since the TD vehicle seems to be well put together.
2. The choice of material of the front black grill seems to be from a segment below. While it looks okay from a distance, it does not look that great upon closer inspection.
3. All 4 wheels have plastic cladding
4. While my cousin is still scratching his head if he likes the dashboard or not, I found it to be typical Honda - may be not as good as a Kia or Hyundai, but close.
5. Sunroof is tiny. Neither the driver notices it nor the rear passengers. It seems to be put in place just for the sake of it (Can't really blame Honda here, they gave what the general population wanted).
6. I am 5'8'' with normal build, and the seats seemed comfy for me (both front and rear, more on this later). Leg room with the driver's seat set to my usual position is more than adequate.
7. Boot is practical. However, there is a loading lip and given the GC of the car, it might take some effort to load it.
8. Display vehicle was Blue, which I felt to be okay. The White TD vehicle looked good in comparison (subjective, I know). SA says Red is the best of the lot. I would refrain from commenting on this until I see one in person.

Coming to the test drive experience. When we checked the car on a Saturday, the SA said he cannot arrange for a TD that day since there are a lot of people waiting in line already (turns out he is right, people were literally trying to get into the car as soon as another customer returned from TD). He did however mention that he would happily arrange one for us on a weekday. As promised, he called yesterday asking if we could drop by the showroom for a TD. The TD vehicle was a white ZX manual. Here are our observations:
1. Clutch is super light. I thought I felt this way because I am used to driving a MT Diesel. My cousin felt the same. Even the gear shifts are one finger light. My cousin mentioned that the Elevate felt more refined compared to his i20.
2. Suspension seems pretty well calibrated. You could sail over small potholes without an issue. We encountered a bad patch which we took slow. No thuds or other noises. The suspension silently worked its magic in the background.
3. TD was within moderate to dense city traffic, so, we could not really test high speed stability or pick-up. However, the vehicle felt very easy to manoeuvre in the city. With 3 persons on board, the power on offer was adequate. My cousin was of the opinion that the pick-up and general drivability is marginally better when compared to his petrol i20. Power on offer might not be class leading, but it felt adequate for regular city usage.
4. Coming to the seats, while they felt comfy when I first sat on them, the side bolstering turned out to be too soft when taking turns. I mean I was not being tossed around but felt that the side bolstering should've been a bit stiff. Rear felt okay though I would've liked a bit of under thigh support.
5. AC felt good. Since the car was continuously being used for TDs, the cabin was already cool when we got in. So, I cannot really say if it cools down the cabin quickly or not, but it did maintain comfortable temperature throughout the TD.
6. Body roll is evident on sharp turns. This is expected anyway given the ground clearance.
7. Thankfully, Honda ditched the old touchscreen. The new ICE felt light years ahead compared to the old one in the City. I cannot really comment on the stock audio system since we turned off the Radio as soon as we got in since we wanted to keep an ear out for refinement and general NVH. Happy to report that the NVH within the city limits we drove in was decent. There were no squeaks, rattles or abnormal noises.
8. Visibility is good all round. The flat bonnet helps judging gaps. I did not notice the lane watch camera's feed until I took the back seat. If someone is going for a lower variant, I don't think they would miss it.

SA says on-road (Hyderabad) for ZX and VX CVT is around 18L and for VX to be around 16-16.5L. CVT is expected to command a premium of around 1.3L over MT. Although the official prices are not out yet, he seemed pretty confident about it. They have a few vehicles in their yard ready for delivery (which they intend to do after the price announcement). However, they can only show them to the customers who booked the vehicle so that they could finalise on a colour of their choice.

Conclusion:
Honda seems to have put some effort into this vehicle. While I too felt that Honda launched it a couple of years too late, I seem to have changed my opinion after trying out the vehicle in flesh. If someone is looking for no-nonsense vehicle for pottering around city and for occasional highway drives, this should be a strong contender. I agree that there are some missing features, but when I got to experience the vehicle firsthand, I really could not find any flaws to point at. Sure, I could nitpick, but no vehicle is perfect. This is a jack of all trades king of none sort of vehicle. I really hope Honda prices this one right. If I were to pick a 1.5 NA between Seltos, Creta and Elevate, I would go with the Elevate. Somehow, this vehicle seems more practical to me. Even my cousin who is torn between Seltos and Elevate is leaning towards the Elevate. However, he is smitten by that 1.5 turbo in the Seltos. He is still unable to choose an engine option. If he wants that turbo (which I could sense is what will happen), Seltos it is. If not, he intends to book the Elevate.

For those interested, the dealership is Pride Honda, Allwyn X roads. They have TD available as well. There seems to be discounts on the City now. Although the SA did not disclose the exact amount, he did mention that we could negotiate the price if we were interested in the City and the discount should be a "good amount".

Apologies for not taking any pictures. There were a lot of families checking out the vehicle and I did not want to make them uncomfortable by pointing a camera at their face.

[skarthiksr]

I noticed this in my yesterday's visit to Honda. In City e:HEV ZX Honda Sensing, there used to be a dedicated "safety support switch" with which one can quickly turn off Automatic Emergency braking, i.e CMBS. From our 2022 forum review, this is how it used to be (The button diagonally below traction control):



But looks like Honda has removed this physical button altogether from all models(Petrol City, e:HEV) including Elevate.



This is pretty disappointing because one might be driving with CMBS turned on and when you enter a high traffic zone, you probably would want to quickly disable CMBS and a dedicated switch makes it very easy. Another unfortunate thing is that this control is not available in the touch screen unit as well and hence one need to be turn this off only using steering wheel controls.

[Shreyans_Jain]

Originally Posted by skarthiksr

I noticed this in my yesterday's visit to Honda. In City e:HEV ZX Honda Sensing, there used to be a dedicated "safety support switch" with which one can quickly turn off Automatic Emergency braking, i.e CMBS. From our 2022 forum review, this is how it used to be (The button diagonally below traction control):

But looks like Honda has removed this physical button altogether from all models(Petrol City, e:HEV) including Elevate.

This is pretty disappointing because one might be driving with CMBS turned on and when you enter a high traffic zone, you probably would want to quickly disable CMBS and a dedicated switch makes it very easy. Another unfortunate thing is that this control is not available in the touch screen unit as well and hence one need to be turn this off only using steering wheel controls.

Yes, Honda is not providing the auto braking disable button anymore. This silent deletion is a bummer and a huge nuisance while driving around in city traffic. The setting to disable it lies buried deep inside the menus. It’s not easy to access, certainly not on the move. And the worst part is that the damn thing automatically switches on every time the car restarts. Doesn’t stay disabled.

This stupid cost cutting move is a big reason to not opt for the ADAS equipped ZX variant of Elevate. Don’t think it can be coded out easily either.

[venus1975]

Originally Posted by Shreyans_Jain

Yes, Honda is not providing the auto braking disable button anymore. This silent deletion is a bummer and a huge nuisance while driving around in city traffic.

From this video, it doesn't seem that auto braking will be activated in city traffic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLsVfXIKwkc

[Shreyans_Jain]

Originally Posted by venus1975

From this video, it doesn't seem that auto braking will be activated in city traffic: https://www.Youtube.com/watch?v=PLsVfXIKwkc

We have a 2023 facelift ZX model City in the extended family. The auto braking is a huge nuisance, especially because the car in question is driven almost exclusively in stop-go city traffic conditions. My cousin is really pissed that he didn’t realise there is no direct button to turn off the auto braking. This button is present in his other car, MG Astor.

[SoumenD]

Originally Posted by UD17

+1.

But if the price is set right (Aggressive), Knowing the no nonsense nature of Honda cars, Elevate can really eat up lot of NA engines sales from competition and from the sibling City.

+1. If this comes under 16.5L for top end ZX-CVT, the Honda will do decent numbers.

Originally Posted by Shreyans_Jain

We have a 2023 facelift ZX model City in the extended family. The auto braking is a huge nuisance, especially because the car in question is driven almost exclusively in stop-go city traffic conditions. My cousin is really pissed that he didn’t realise there is no direct button to turn off the auto braking. This button is present in his other car, MG Astor.

Oh man, this is exactly what my problem is with ADAS in our traffic. More chances of getting rear-ended. I was hopeful sunroof and ADAS would be restricted to ZX CVT variant only and rest of the things can be had in VX CVT but looking at the VX walkaround videos, that bland steering wheel(right side) is such an eyesore. Even my 2019 VX CVT Jazz has cruise control, its sad a 2023 Honda Elevate VX CVT doesn't.

I hope there's option to turn off ADAS if someone wishes to?

[pannags]

Originally Posted by Shreyans_Jain

We have a 2023 facelift ZX model City in the extended family. The auto braking is a huge nuisance, especially because the car in question is driven almost exclusively in stop-go city traffic conditions. My cousin is really pissed that he didn’t realise there is no direct button to turn off the auto braking. This button is present in his other car, MG Astor.

Have tried this in the city, along with other ADAS features. Frankly, apart from adaptive cruise control, I did not find much use for other sensing features. Perhaps, auto braking and lane keep would come of use on highways, but nothing that will significantly improve safety.

I'm surprised to hear that auto braking cannot be in-memory disabled! I understood that the ADAS suite itself can be disabled and does not spin up on starting the vehicle.