[NiInJa]

Originally Posted by amandal1810

we always knew that the road noise is on the higher side, but we learnt to live with it. BUT, when we experienced the cabin quietness of my in-law's Kia Sonet while driving on the Delhi-Mumbai expressway, we realised the severity of the road noise issue in Elevate.

This has something to do with how our brains function, I forget the scientific term for it. Overtime, it automatically starts 'canceling' the noise from the car, so while its still there, it is not bothering, till you sit inside another car and realize how bad it is

This is one reason why I have decided to part ways with my Honda Jazz CVT soon. The car is brilliant for what it offers, if only the CVT whine and engine noise was better controlled. The use of aluminum engine and transmission case for the most part doesn't help its case either.

[Dsanji]

https://youtu.be/4VYt8zNKLs4?si=OYxboSYv0pudyNl7

So this channel has done NVH test of most cars of the Elevate segment. It says NVH but it seems it is noise test only at various speeds. And guess what almost in all speed buckets Elevate has done better than general perception. And at 100KMPH it is much better than Seltos and Creta in this test.
I think when people keep on reading same thing they get biased towards it. But a device capturing noise can't be biased.
Test at 1:07:15 on the video.
I have taken average NVH at all speeds and here how it is.
Rank : Car : NVH
1 Thar : 59.7
5 Elevate : 63.8
9 Creta : 64.7
10 Seltos : 65.4

[shan_ned]

Originally Posted by amandal1810

Well, I feel this is partially true. If you drive (or are a passenger in) a single car all the time (ie, the Honda Elevate), then the road noise might feel normal. We have driven 10500 kms in 1 year, and we always knew that the road noise is on the higher side, but we learnt to live with it. BUT, when we experienced the cabin quietness of my in-law's Kia Sonet while driving on the Delhi-Mumbai expressway, we realised the severity of the road noise issue in Elevate. Now we are seriously exploring sound dampening solutions.

This is my subjective opinion - Is the noise level so bad in Elevate ?. It is not bad at all. Yes, a good number of reviews had pointed out the noise level and they were sort of nitpicking. Yes, it is not a major issue which will bother us. Then, those comments have shapped our mind to think in a certain way (negatively) around the NVH performance of Elevate.

Let me give some more clarity on this. I do have a 2008 Marurti Swift (Petrol) car and crossed 80000 kms. I never had any NVH issues with it. On comparing Honda Elevate with it, neither me nor any of of the passengers (my family members) found any difference. There is one exception to the comparison. When I rev the motor close to 4000 RPM in both the cars, only then I can hear the difference audibly between the two with the Elevate's engine noise slightly more than that of the Swift. Again, this difference is not so big that it has bothered me or other passengers.

My suggestion to you is not to worry too much because it is the mind that is playing the game due to so many nitpicking comments on the NVH. If you still feel that the problem is bothering you, you can try sound dampening solutions.

Originally Posted by Dsanji

https://Youtu.be/4VYt8zNKLs4?si=OYxboSYv0pudyNl7

So this channel has done NVH test of most cars of the Elevate segment. It says NVH but it seems it is noise test only at various speeds. And guess what almost in all speed buckets Elevate has done better than general perception. And at 100KMPH it is much better than Seltos and Creta in this test.
I think when people keep on reading same thing they get biased towards it. But a device capturing noise can't be biased.
Test at 1:07:15 on the video.
I have taken average NVH at all speeds and here how it is.
Rank : Car : NVH
1 Thar : 59.7
5 Elevate : 63.8
9 Creta : 64.7
10 Seltos : 65.4

Thanks for sharing this YouTube link. I am not an expert to evaluate whether the methods used to measure the noise level were done in a proper scientific manner. Even if we assume the results were captured in a right way, it will still be a nitpicking act. The differences in the measured NVH levels may not be noticed easily unless someone tries hard to observe the difference. In short, those differences are not huge for us to worry.

[amandal1810]

Originally Posted by Dsanji

I think when people keep on reading same thing they get biased towards it. But a device capturing noise can't be biased.
Test at 1:07:15 on the video.
I have taken average NVH at all speeds and here how it is.
Rank : Car : NVH
1 Thar : 59.7
5 Elevate : 63.8
9 Creta : 64.7
10 Seltos : 65.4

Thanks for sharing this video and calculating the average decibels. Interestingly, if you look at the section marked "Honda Elevate Drive", starting at about 58:20, Rachit Hirani mentions that he feels road noise to be an issue with the Elevate. Conflicting information in the same video.

Originally Posted by shan_ned

My suggestion to you is not to worry too much because it is the mind that is playing the game due to so many nitpicking comments on the NVH. If you still feel that the problem is bothering you, you can try sound dampening solutions.

Completely agree with you on this part. Most reviews of Elevate talk about road noise issue in a negative light. And our brains develop a bias to assume it to be true. This seems to be a combination of "negativity bias" and "bandwagon effect".

Originally Posted by shan_ned

I am not an expert to evaluate whether the methods used to measure the noise level were done in a proper scientific manner. Even if we assume the results were captured in a right way, it will still be a nitpicking act. The differences in the measured NVH levels may not be noticed easily unless someone tries hard to observe the difference. In short, those differences are not huge for us to worry.

For what it's worth, a decibel meter can be assumed to be a more reliable and scientific way to measure road noise as compared to what the reviewer feels. Using this logic, our Elevate is quieter than a Seltos at 100 kmph.

[Circuit10]

Hi
I am getting my 3rd service done at 10k kms. Can someone please advise the cost of this service?
The SA is pushing me to take a contract worth 31000 in which this 10k service and 4 future services would be covered as follows -
20,000kms - major service
25,000kms - minor service
30,000kms - minor service
35,000kms - minor service

Do you’ll think it is worth spending this amount?

[saket77]

Originally Posted by Circuit10

Hi
I am getting my 3rd service done at 10k kms. Can someone please advise the cost of this service?
The SA is pushing me to take a contract worth 31000 in which this 10k service and 4 future services would be covered as follows -
20,000kms - major service
25,000kms - minor service
30,000kms - minor service
35,000kms - minor service

Do you’ll think it is worth spending this amount?

I don’t think it’s worth paying so much and upfront. And also you don’t need to bother about the fine prints and their terms and conditions for this contract. Honda connect app gives you a good service estimate of each service anytime you wish. If you check, you’ll see that it will come much less than 31K.

[Prash1407]

The 3rd service- 10,000 km or 1 year is free. Engine oil and drain plug gets replaced and the cost will come to around 2900.
Second, there is no service at 25k and 35k if you are following the 10,000 interval. Why is the SA mentioning this and pushing you?

The service intervals are mentioned in the Honda App and as Saket mentioned, the approximate cost too.

This could be from the Dealer because Honda has not mentioned or given this anywhere.

[Circuit10]

Yea I declined because I knew service is at 10k km gap, however as per SA he said it is better to get service done at 5k interval. I figured that he is short selling me his service. He gave a final quote of 28k with some freebies included such as waxing and polishing but I got a feeling he is taking me for a ride.
Thanks Prash and Saket for the heads up!

[carhead]

Originally Posted by Circuit10

Hi
I am getting my 3rd service done at 10k kms. Can someone please advise the cost of this service?
The SA is pushing me to take a contract worth 31000 in which this 10k service and 4 future services would be covered as follows -
20,000kms - major service
25,000kms - minor service
30,000kms - minor service
35,000kms - minor service

Do you’ll think it is worth spending this amount?

As far as I know, Honda doesn't offer any service package. While across models they give the best warranty, please seek written confirmation on service packs.
There is no such info on the website either

[ajmat]

As some of you know, I have moved on from an Audi Q3. A family emergency meant that we had to suddenly go to Chennai. For a change, we took the Elevate and we took the route near Chittoor. My wife uses this car and I use it only for quick in town forays.

The Audi of course is more superior in terms of ride quality, noise and comfort. The mid-range torque was missed. Anyway, after one year of ownership, I have the following points:

1. The Elevate does suffer from road noise
2. The CVT adds to the noise when getting up to speed. It was a little frustrating on between Ranipet and Chennai with the many slow downs due got diversions. It is not ideal for press-on driving but for cruising and driving in a chilled out manner it was great.
3. You don't have to think much when tackling the rough roads and that railway crossing before Ranipet
4. Getting to 80 km/h took a while compared to my other car which reaches in 5 sec. Needed getting used to that
5. The seats are a little too flat. I found the driving position pretty uncomfortable. It was becoming an issue until I found the steering adjustment lever tucked away and this improved things.
6. Fuel consumption was around the 15km/h - I am not a slow driver!
7. The ICE was decent but the Apple Car Play suddenly loses it after a while I am not sure if this is due to inability to regain connectivity or the system gets heated up. It takes a minute or two to connect whereas in my other car, it connects before I have even pressed the engine start.
8. The AC is most effective - my wife's only criteria
9. The Lane Assistant is a little painful considering our lanes are narrow, a small wander triggers the beeps
10. Adaptive cruise control was a blessing exiting Chennai but I did not trust it when approaching a slow vehicle in front

For 80% town use, it is ideal. Yes, a Taigun would have been more fun but the quality issues and weak AC might have wrecked my marriage. (my wife's friend bought one to supplant their Polo, they like it as it felt like the Polo but admit the quality and the AC aint upto the mark).

I am quite happy with the car for its purpose - vast space and easy for town and as a fall back option for long journeys.

[maheshsm12]

Originally Posted by carhead

As far as I know, Honda doesn't offer any service package. While across models they give the best warranty, please seek written confirmation on service packs.
There is no such info on the website either

Below is the service cost for Honda Elevate CVT in Bengaluru. Total service cost over 10yrs/1L kms is Rs. 81148/-
https://www.hondacarindia.com/honda-...of-maintenance

Period/Distance:Parts:Labour:Total
12mths/10k kms:3024::3024
24mths/20k kms:5160:4002:9162
36mths/30k kms:3420:2714:6134
48mths/40k kms:5160:4002:9162
60mths/50k kms:3024:2714:5738
72mths/60k kms:5556:4002:9558
84mths/70k kms:3024:2714:5738
96mths/80k kms:5160:4002:9162
108mths/90k kms:3420:2714:6134
120mths/1L kms:13334:4002:17336

[Circuit10]

Any thoughts of how I can get rid of these deep nicks because of impatient bike guys? It’s pretty deep as I could measure by putting my fingernails and the metal is being seen and felt!

[ApexAdventurer]

After taking a test drive of multiple cars - Fronx, Elevate, Creta, Venue, Sonet, Seltos, Hyryder etc, I have finally shortlisted two cars, ableit in different segments.

My Usage : 95% City travelling, in Bengaluru's back to back traffic. This would also be my only car.

1) Elevate - CVT - Either VX, or ZX : The biggest confusion to be, is the CMBS on the ZX model. Switching it off means doing that everytime prior to driving. Though enough has been said here, I'm still not sure, on how it would behave in back to back traffic, and I'm just not comfortable to give control to the car, especially, in city traffic.

2) Sonet - 7DCT - HTX - Looks a pretty decent, feature loaded car.

Question : Need some more first hand inputs/ experiences, on the CMBS, in bumper to bumber traffic. If I feel slightly more comfortable with the system, I would prefer Elevate ZX any day.

[ashokabs]

Originally Posted by SithDefender

I would go one step further and say music should be experienced in as quiet a cabin as possible for the best effect. Increasing volume is not the right solution. It is actually not difficult for Honda to provide better insulation to address this, but I have no clue why they won't do it !

Better insulation and other efforts to reduce NVH will increase the cost of the vehicle and it's weight. I guess Honda wanted a certain price range and mileage to have a competitive car. They are competing with existing manufacturers like Kia, Hyundai, Maruti etc and designing their cars accordingly. They are not doing anything revolutionary like in the 3rd Gen Honda City. Not standing out from the crowd except the external design.

[gopal.nishant89]

Question : Need some more first hand inputs/ experiences, on the CMBS, in bumper to bumber traffic. If I feel slightly more comfortable with the system, I would prefer Elevate ZX any day.

Hello,

I have a ZX CVT and drive in NCR traffic and I can understand the concern that is holding you back. I had the same when I took the test drive and experienced it for the first time so I will note my experience below.

I just leave it on by default and haven't switched it off till now. I have not found it to be intrusive in my 5k km driving in the past 4 and half months. That said, there are instances where it acts up but those are far and few because of my driving style.

Below is my driving style and how I have managed to keep these instances to minimum:

1. Drive with light foot. even while accelerating, accept the gearbox and engine to be what it is and gradually accelerate.
2. The system will avoid triggering the CMBS if it knows you have your leg on the breaks. This is crucial in bumper to bumper traffic.
3. The engine has enough power to lunge ahead with mild taps so just go easy. The moment you press hard and there is a car in the front, the system will activate. You can use the creep function of the CVT with light foot and you can avoid the situation most of the times.