[pannags]

The more I read and watch the online reviews, the more I seem to like this well engineered, practical, no-nonsense car. Here are just a few things that in my opinion will make the package complete. Rest all stuff is just good to have and totally livable without.

• One - Blacken out the chrome part above the front grille and the handles

• Two - Install a 3-point seat belt for the center passenger. Inspiration, BHPian @Goandiaries:

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/road-...ml#post5096884 (XUV300: I converted the lap-belt to a *safer* 3-point seatbelt!)

• Three - Retrofit front parking sensors and, optionally, a dashcam

Pic source: Google

[SoumenD]

Originally Posted by Ritzvxi

I am also curious to know why is Honda doing all the media drives in the manual transmission model? I think they have a very sorted CVT which appeals more to the urban population (Honda's home pitch).

Nop there are many reviews available for CVT as well. Here's one for example. Switch to 12.2 timeline where he is driving and talking about the CVT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5-EstZZUn8

Even this Autocar review has the CVT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQKS3lhWOZ8

[evilminstrel]

Originally Posted by amalji

Radar has repeatedly been proven to be unreliable. And that's the reason why even Tesla is moving away from it. It means you'll get lesser capabilities. But it also reduces the chances of a fatal mistake in judgement.

Completely agree with you. The RADAR based ADAS in modern cars is nothing more than gimmick. Lots of noise and irritant to drivers. In any case these guys in video are mistaken by saying that RADAR based ADAS are better for lane changing situations. Camera based ADAS is known for lane changing capabilities and visual interpretation much more than RADAR based. Consider RADAR based system as caveman- strong and capable, and Camera based system as urban man- weaker, but much more intelligent and sophisticated.

[07CR]

Originally Posted by SoumenD

https://www.Youtube.com/watch?v=l5-EstZZUn8

Thanks for this. As per overdrive, Elevate is a good car, if they price the top end ZX CVT at max of 15L ex showroom. If Honda does price it at a max of 15L ex showroom that would undercut the Seltos IVT HTX by a healthy 1.7L, and it will make buyers consider the Elevate strongly. Hope sense prevails, and it's priced at the same mark! At those prices, I would happily be in a position to choose Elevate over any of its current rivals

[TheRealityLemon]

Originally Posted by Caffeinated

Agree. It doesn't look suited to a 15 L car.

While we are there, the CVT gear stick also looks extremely bare-bones. I mean, just look at Elevate's and Creta CVT's gear knob side-by-side and you would be aghast.

No sir. You can't say that. Remember this is a no nonsense car. All these aesthetic and luxury features are for the nonsense cars only.

[evilminstrel]

Originally Posted by 07CR

Thanks for this. As per overdrive, Elevate is a good car, if they price the top end ZX CVT at max of 15L ex showroom. If Honda does price it at a max of 15L ex showroom that would undercut the Seltos IVT HTX by a healthy 1.7L, and it will make buyers consider the Elevate strongly. Hope sense prevails, and it's priced at the same mark! At those prices, I would happily be in a position to choose Elevate over any of its current rivals

Doesn't it say 12 to 17 Lakhs (ex-showroom) price bracket is the sweet spot? Where do you get 15 Lakh figure?

By the way Autocar has given all the reason to buy it. And I am glad it resonates with people waiting for a car with core values in this segment.

Folks who simply love the basics of a car (or a Car) would totally go for it, and I bet you've got the hang of that already. You see, "sense" can be seen in all sorts of groovy ways, man.

Godspeed to Honda!

[07CR]

Originally Posted by evilminstrel

Doesn't it say 12 to 17 Lakhs (ex-showroom) price bracket is the sweet spot? Where do you get 15 Lakh figure?

Hope the screenshot along with captions answers your question.

Originally Posted by evilminstrel

By the way Overdrive has given all the reason to buy it. And I am glad it resonates with people waiting for a car with core values in this segment.

Indeed but with the aforementioned price tag. If it was only about core values, all of us would be plying our trade in open go karts. I certainly would be surely in contention to buy one at 15L ex showroom, a lakh and half more and there are certainly better alternatives for me.

[John316_WRC]

Originally Posted by GuChDa

What's the definition of market ?...Your and mine choice doesn't make sense when the goals for any business is profit making.

Really now, that's your explanation? Are you saying to make profits some manufacturers can sell inferior built cars to us Indians?

By the same standards why don't you say, Indians deserve Hybrids and Turbos as well?

Definitely Honda should have given us options when it comes to the engines. Honda missed a trick here.

Why are you stuck at the structure aspect alone when it comes to Elevate?

I'm stuck at the structure aspect because just in order to pack the cars with features, compromise on safety should never be an option. Something which Honda (Tata, M&M) don't do.

If you go by the time and distance covered and displayed while driving it doesn't average over 70 kmph.

That's probably an average speed for the test which is not slow by any means considering Indian road conditions.

You can either post your own experience soon which I would consider more reliable while driving the car at 100 kmph and getting a FE of 18 kmpl.

The NA engines can realistically manage about 16 kmpl at such speeds. 18kmpl will be asking too much from any 1.5 NA engine. I have already posted what figures I get in my previous posts.

[ron178]

Originally Posted by pannags

• Two - Install a 3-point seat belt for the center passenger. Inspiration, BHPian @Goandiaries:

This was possible because the XUV300 was briefly sold with a three-point seatbelt for the rear centre seat for some variants. The Elevate does not have this on any variant so it is unlikely that Honda have produced the required parts. Honda's global SUVs like the HR-V e:HEV have a more complicated make-your-own-seatbelt with the upper anchorage in the roof (like the Hyryder). Frankly I find it hard to believe that a manufacturer like Honda, who take pride in their safety, would launch a brand new premium product that does not offer all its occupants the opportunity to even restrain themselves properly.

I can live with the 1.5L i-VTEC, and Honda's CVT from what I hear is not as bad as some others. But the lapbelt, lack of curtain airbags in the middle variant, and the ugly keyhole on the door are almost deal-breakers for me, and if it weren't for the infotainment system I still see little reason I would buy this over a City (I will admit I have a soft corner for sedans).

What might work out well for the Elevate is that the Citroën C3 Aircross launches very soon after. That might actually make the Elevate look good - if Honda prices it right.

[amalji]

Originally Posted by 07CR

Please watch the video at least. Nowhere has it been compared with Tesla's ADAS system (Pretty sure neither can we compare the ADAS of a Tesla with Honda's City/Elevate). The video makers have been comparing the Honda's Camera based ADAS with their experience of using the same with the City and Elevate. This has been compared with Seltos's ADAS which they claim to be the best calibrated system in this segment (TBhp's review of Seltos concurs the same).

The fact remains that when RADAR and camera sends you conflicting information, Tesla based on all their R & D and experience decided that it's safer to trust the camera and hence took the call that having two source of truths can be a safety hazard. They ended up disabling the radar hardware on their cars despite the car being equipped with the technology. It's not about what we or any random reviewer 'feel' about the tech. Ofcourse radar can 'feel' good due to its distance measurement accuracy and its non dependence on ambient lighting and weather. But, if it can be inaccurate with its judgement ( Object detection ) at times and cannot be trusted, it's a safety hazard. Even a wrong emergency braking due to radar will result in a vehicle rear ending on you.

When Tesla disabled radars on their ADAS enabled cars, users did feel that their ADAS became inferior. But, that was an informed call by Tesla taken in the interest of safety despite it 'feeling' inferior. Their latest vehicles has completely avoided the RADAR hardware for this reason. Reference link

And if my memory is correct, Honda uses ADAS from MobilEye, an Intel company and they are the major competitor to Tesla's ADAS.

MobilEye used to be the company that provided the technology for Tesla’s early Autopilot, but they pulled out when an Autopilot accident killed the driver, and because they knew Tesla wanted to build their own system.

[evilminstrel]

Originally Posted by 07CR

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Hope the screenshot along with captions answers your question.

Oh, was looking at the wrong video. Anyway Autocar says it 12-17 Lakhs bracket. So it is just words against words.

Originally Posted by 07CR

Indeed but with the aforementioned price tag. If it was only about core values, all of us would be plying our trade in open go karts.

Oh, of course not! Why settle for the thrill of "plying your trade on open karts" when you can luxuriate in the glory of 3/2-star rated smartphone-controlled indestructible wonders?

[beez]

Originally Posted by wheelguy

Driving sensibly and carefully won't help if other motorists on the road are idiots. It only helps if every driver on the road is a careful driver and that can never happen.

Active safety in most cases prevents you from doing accidents while passive safety helps you when accident happens. There's a difference in that.

I couldn't agree more!

Here we are talking about features like radar-based monitoring of rear and lane watch and all those funky stuff. What I cannot fathom is how good all these are when something actually comes and rear ends you at great speed while you being stationary at a signal or at the end of a traffic build-up. The car cannot fly anyway! And we are talking about India where you see many take the wrong side deliberately and then prefer to drive on the fast lane in the direction of oncoming traffic (which is their keep left on that road!).

Safety features are like drugs or other treatment. Some are vaccines that prevent you from falling ill, and some are treatment that you take when you are ill. You can try not to catch a cold or even a dangerous infection and you can even avoid the vaccine. But once you get it, you will need the best available treatment whatsoever.

As luck would have it, someone might have driven an Omni for 100 years without any accident, whereas someone else might have met with an accident in a Kushaq. Question is, do I need to take the chance and test my luck?

I may buy an Elevate or Taigun or Seltos or Grand Vitara based on what my priorities and budget are (I am in the market for one). My humble request is to please avoid underplaying the importance of a stable safe car in the current times if you are driving in India, that too on a forum like TeamBHP.

[GuChDa]

Originally Posted by John316_WRC

Really now, that's your explanation? Are you saying to make profits some manufacturers can sell inferior built cars to us Indians?
Definitely Honda should have given us options when it comes to the engines. Honda missed a trick here.
I'm stuck at the structure aspect because just in order to pack the cars with features, compromise on safety should never be an option. Something which Honda (Tata, M&M) don't do.

I have driven most of the Hondas abroad including their latest offerings and I can very well relate to what they are giving to Indian customers vis a vis global customers. And mind you they are quite expensive there too.

I prefer not to take this discussion any further. You seem to have fallen in love with Elevate. Wishing you happy and safe driving.

[Flash777]

Originally Posted by 07CR

IMO, this is also one more evidence of how the even the ADAS is another half hearted attempt from Honda's end.

With the terribly low FE number of Elevate, the capacity atleast should have been a 50-55L.

While the points put across by Zig Wheels are well appreciated, there are 2 things at play here:

1. City ADAS has been tested to be working really well and Auto X in fact have actually tested it and showed it on Video rather than just talk by ZW guys. Yes, there could be limitations, but trying to negate ADAS Level 2 of Elevate as worthless is not fair. In fact City has even outperformed Hyundai Ioniq 5 and XUV 700 in many situations.

https://youtu.be/To3dVeEXhkk

2. Even if we want to compare ADAS, kindly note that Elevate shall be the most affordable SUV with ADAS Level 2 system at 20 Lakhs On Road and you want to belittle it by comparing it to something like Seltos which had ADAS at 5 lakhs over! I would rather have a reasonably good level of ADAS in a 20 Lakh car rather than not have it at all.

3. What's with your claim of Terrible FE when most of the reviews have given it between 12-18 in varied driving conditions in a Brand New Test vehicle? Trust you aren't going by the laughable ARAI numbers.

What is a usually terrible FE is the one that we get with Hyundai and KIA petrols in the SUV segment. Honda's engines have always been the most frugal and best of segment in FE and Elevate wouldn't be any different.

[Formula1]

Best car in the segment (if it's 4+ star). Is there a variant without a sunroof?

Honda should have killed City completely and launched more 'premium' variants for Elevate with all the useless features. It's got the looks to beat any other car in the segment, albeit different. Sadly for them, they're playing it safe.

Someone at Honda is holding onto the City nostalgia. Its fan following is long gone. Those left are the kind who would happily move to something like the Elevate.

A premium Elevate variant (20+ lakh) could have been the foundation stone to take on Toyota in 30+ lakh and beyond. City now is just a bottleneck.