[GTX+]

Originally Posted by Col Mehta

We aren’t a big fan of turbo DCT. Even though it is a ‘technically’ superior combo, is laggy and jerky in city traffic conditions, but we are ready to consider it if the rest of the things work out.

In last 5 months, I have driven my GTX+ petrol DCT in all sorts of traffic, short drives & long drives and have not experienced a single jerk.

As an aside....

There however is 1 issue which I have experienced (only) in Sports mode a few times now. If one is driving at decent high speed (or is accelerating), and if you need to suddenly slow down, there is a lag and the gear does not shift down immediately or stay (momentarily) on the same gear, on the contrary it shifts up expecting that we were going to continue to increase the speed before eventually shifting down. All of this happens within 3-4 seconds.

The result is similar to when in manual, we keep the clutch depressed and push the accelerator, there is a sudden rise in RPM.

A driver is not expecting this kind of response on braking and can be caught unawares, get distracted and can lead to an accident. The first time it happened to me, I was distracted and didn't know how/why that happened. Thankfully there was no traffic and I was slowing down to take a turn.

[GTX+]

Originally Posted by Aviator_guy

Also to add that if any accidental repair is needed then the investment on ppf is down the drain. But to each his own

That is another (strong) reason why some people go for ceramic coating. The cost of coating is substantially less than that of PPF.

[Col Mehta]

Thank you everyone for the pointers on the matte PPF.

I think from the financial standpoint, PPF indeed is an expensive solution to maintain and protect the paint work. This is particularly true for a regular glossy paint, but for a matte finish, it’s very much a good option for a couple of reasons.

1. Ease of maintenance - Okay, how many of us have time and energy to involve in rigorous routine of washing and cleaning the matte paint which needs special care? Things like two bucket method sound great, but is it doable for everyone on a daily/regular basis? How many of us are willing to risk it by giving the car to the regular car cleaning guy with that abrasive cloth that will damage the matte finish a lot sooner than you expect. And how many of us have the luxury of covered parking where there are no external factors ready to damage the matte finish - bird droppings, dogs jumping and scratching etc.

Not too many I would assume.

That’s where, IMHO, PPF is essential for a matte paint. Once done, you dont really have to worry about a lot of maintenance headaches which come with a matte finish. But for a regular glossy paint finish, I wouldn’t bother applying any PPF as it’s a lot easier to upkeep and get it corrected.

2. Paint protection - Yes, many would argue that PPF will protect only against minor scratches, chips and swirl marks, but that’s quite enough as most of the times that’s what you get - minor damages which will (hopefully) be taken care of by the PPF. Any major damage will always need repaint/repair/replacement which is fine. The only downside, as I said earlier, is the financial hit. But you are not going to spend another lakh for applying PPF on the damaged panel, but only a fraction of it - which is still very much a financial liability but who doesn’t want to keep their car in pristine condition especially when you have got yourself that beautiful matte paint. And as Mr Anderson aptly put, you know what you are getting into when you get a matte paint car.

Unfortunately though, a lot of consumers accidentally buy matte paint cars and later realize their mistake as they just dont have the knowledge of how to maintain it or have the time or resources to do it. And they end up spending more money in keeping it together, sometimes repainting which can be expensive too. A matte PPF, even though an expensive solution at the start, will make sense to a lot of these guys and eventually save time and efforts which cannot always be quantified in monetary terms.

All these things make me believe that a matte PPF is almost imperative when you have a matte paint. But for someone, who has time and resources to upkeep it, it will not make sense, which is absolutely fine. And thats why I'm very much interested to know from the Xline owners how they are able to cope up with the matte paint in general.

[Mr Anderson]

Originally Posted by blogslogger

I would like to address a few misconceptions.

Ofcourse you can clean and shampoo a matte car. But what detailing also involves is paint correction that removes superficial scratches and swirl marks that are often confined to the paint's clear coat. Buffing, rubbing and polishing are important parts of detailing process that bring out the lost shine of the car and that have been done since the time cars came into existence. These procedures cannot be done in a matte paint. It's these same processes that remove a layer of the clear coat. So in essence, you cannot remove even a superficial scratch/swirl marks from matte paint like you can in a glossy paint. You'd have to redo the entire panel.

Yes ppf cannot protect against deep scratches but that was never the purpose of ppf. It's sole purpose is to protect from minor superficial scratches, swirl marks, rock chips and keep the sheen of the original paint intact. The car, especially a darker coloured one, never looks old.

I almost invested 3 months to carefully study things that can be done to protect a matte paint and nothing other than ppf fitted the requirement. It was a tough decision to invest the amount I invested but now when I look back at my car that still looks like it came out the showroom and the ease of maintenance and protection against general wear and tear (not deep scratches), it was worth it.

Most of my travel is on an under-construction road mostly behind big buses so you can imagine the risk of rock chips and I have yet to see one. When I come back home there is a thick layer of dust that covers my entire car which can be cleaned with water and microfibre cloth easily without any risks of swirl marks. For a month after purchase of my car I didn't dare to take it out for work out of fear until ppf was applied. For this sole reason itself personally my decision for ppf was worth it.

[SeniorC]

Not once in my six months of driving my GTX+ DCT Petrol, I have experienced any jerks from the gearbox both in city drive as well as on highways. As far as dark interiors of GTX+, even I was concerned, and I had initially booked Xline only for the green/ grey interiors. But considering the hassle of maintenance of matte finish even after putting the PPF (had a quote from Detailing Bull for Rs 1.25 lakh), I quickly changed my booking to GTX+. Now peace of mind for getting the car detailed or polished or repaired or whatever. By the way, we didn't even notice the "dark" interiors at all from day one. And cleaning them is so easy.

Anyway, every one has own personal preferences and respect that. Thought I will share my experience so far.

[07CR]

Originally Posted by SeniorC

Not once in my six months of driving my GTX+ DCT Petrol, I have experienced any jerks from the gearbox both in city drive as well as on highways. As far as dark interiors of GTX+, even I was concerned, and I had initially booked Xline only for the green/ grey interiors. But considering the hassle of maintenance of matte finish even after putting the PPF (had a quote from Detailing Bull for Rs 1.25 lakh), I quickly changed my booking to GTX+. Now peace of mind for getting the car detailed or polished or repaired or whatever. By the way, we didn't even notice the "dark" interiors at all from day one. And cleaning them is so easy.

I agree on both points. I too have same thoughts on exterior maintenance, gearbox and interiors. The dark interiors infact feel more inviting and sort of give a premium vibe, especially at night.

[1:1]

Originally Posted by captsguha

Mixed feelings about the performance without an amp. While some tracks seems too heavybon the base with too much mid range, played Hotel California, Hell Freezes Over version over YT music and it sound pretty decent (midrange -8)

Apparently the amp is now tucked into the boot next to the SUB.
But yes the amplification isn't same as the first version. Give the system some time once the burn in is done with (say about 50+hours) system will sound well enough. Till then play with the EQ it will help get the best out of your system.
My settings are
Highs +6
Mids +4
Low +4/5

[captsguha]

@1:1 - Thanks so much for the revelation. So surprised that the local Kia personnel have no clue at all.

[rayjaycleoful]

Originally Posted by Flasshhhh

The car is looking beautiful. How frequently do you use wax?

I put it ~twice a month.
Here is the link
Specially for black cars. Cleaning is taken care of by my car cleaner with a damp cloth or by me with a Jopasu duster

[vijay.s]

Hi all,

Sorry for the long post!

I have been contemplating buying the seltos top-end GTX+ DCT automatic. I believe it offers more bang for the buck when compared to the Hyundai Creta. However, I am conflicted in my mind about the following points and request feedback from members here

1. Since, I am only looking at the top-end, I can get even the Diesel automatic at the same price as the DCT automatic. My driving would be limited to home-to-office commutes (~30 Km) per day, and some weekend drives to mall, shopping etc, and occassional visits to blore once/twice a year. All put together, in a year, I don't see more than 8000 km on the odo. Given these numbers, I have read enough to say it warrants a petrol but given the fuel economy of the petrol DCT, I am wondering If I should consider a diesel

2. Regarding the DPF issues - Can we avoid it if I take the vehicle once every two weeks or so for a stroll on the express way just to get the diesel particular matter burnt out by running at 60 kmph?

3. Given that there is an organic compound getting added to Diesel to make it more env. friendly, Is it the case that it causes nausea for people in a diesel car?

4. I already have a booking for the newly launched Creta facelift 2024 and the sales advisor is not able to provide a timeline by when he can deliver the car since I don't want a black or a white color. Seems like these are the only 2 colors being predominantly released to the showroom. I had booked the car very early in Jan 2024 but still no idea on when the car would be deliver. Plus the version I booked was an IVT since I thought that would suffice my purpose. However, on driving the seltos DCT, I found the IVT on creta a little bit laggy. Should I instead change my booking to Creta DCT or go with Seltos DCT itself?

Thanks

[07CR]

Originally Posted by vijay.s

1. Since, I am only looking at the top-end, I can get even the Diesel automatic at the same price as the DCT automatic. My driving would be limited to home-to-office commutes (~30 Km) per day, and some weekend drives to mall, shopping etc, and occassional visits to blore once/twice a year. All put together, in a year, I don't see more than 8000 km on the odo. Given these numbers, I have read enough to say it warrants a petrol but given the fuel economy of the petrol DCT, I am wondering If I should consider a diesel

2. Regarding the DPF issues - Can we avoid it if I take the vehicle once every two weeks or so for a stroll on the express way just to get the diesel particular matter burnt out by running at 60 kmph?

3. Given that there is an organic compound getting added to Diesel to make it more env. friendly, Is it the case that it causes nausea for people in a diesel car?

4. I already have a booking for the newly launched Creta facelift 2024 and the sales advisor is not able to provide a timeline by when he can deliver the car since I don't want a black or a white color. Seems like these are the only 2 colors being predominantly released to the showroom. I had booked the car very early in Jan 2024 but still no idea on when the car would be deliver. Plus the version I booked was an IVT since I thought that would suffice my purpose. However, on driving the seltos DCT, I found the IVT on creta a little bit laggy. Should I instead change my booking to Creta DCT or go with Seltos DCT itself?

Thanks

1) For an annual running of 8000 KM, for 10 year usage, the per month petrol cost would be- 6409 Rs. (Petrol Pune price- 105.8, mileage considered 11, a little on lower side, mine delivers 12-13 for mixed conditions consistently).

For Diesel same would be 4119 Rs. ( Diesel price-92.68, mileage- 15 kmpl). Net difference would be 2300~ per month. Considering the diesel's maintenance would be somewhat higher, and the dpf issues and the future of Diesel is in jeopardy. The diesel's resale will also be lower in future, once NGT like bans are extended to other states. The amount of fun the turbo petrol would generate is priceless! Better NVH, seamless DCT shifts are other cherry's on cake. Considering all this, the 2300 incremental cost for a turbo petrol seems quite miniscule to me.

2) DPF was one major headache for my driving style, which might involve frequent small runs. Hence I avoided that. If toyota is not able to perfect the DPF issues, this thing should never have been implemented in cars!

3) No idea on this.

4) Since you already have made up the mind for Seltos considering it's better value over Creta, why reconsider?

[vijay.s]

Originally Posted by 07CR

1) For an annual running of 8000 KM, for 10 year usage, the per month petrol cost would be- 6409 Rs. (Petrol Pune price- 105.8, mileage considered 11, a little on lower side, mine delivers 12-13 for mixed conditions consistently).

For Diesel same would be 4119 Rs. ( Diesel price-92.68, mileage- 15 kmpl). Net difference would be 2300~ per month. Considering the diesel's maintenance would be somewhat higher, and the dpf issues and the future of Diesel is in jeopardy. The diesel's resale will also be lower in future, once NGT like bans are extended to other states. The amount of fun the turbo petrol would generate is priceless! Better NVH, seamless DCT shifts are other cherry's on cake. Considering all this, the 2300 incremental cost for a turbo petrol seems quite miniscule to me.

2) DPF was one major headache for my driving style, which might involve frequent small runs. Hence I avoided that. If toyota is not able to perfect the DPF issues, this thing should never have been implemented in cars!

3) No idea on this.

4) Since you already have made up the mind for Seltos considering it's better value over Creta, why reconsider?

Thanks 07CR for your feedback!

Main contention is for the following reasons:

1. Whether its safe to go with proven IVT(CVT) technology or choose DCT as many forum members have expressed concerns about transmission heating up in stop-go traffic! Plus the sales advisor at Hyundai has been kind of pushing me towards choosing a IVT for my usage as he feels it more than suffices my needs. I don't know if this is because they aren't getting any Creta with DCT transmission.

2. Whether the resale value will be affected considering hyundai is more a well known brand in India?

3. Strong emphasis on build quality in their facelift car when compared to Seltos. Of course, nothing is proven till the safety ratings are out but given the recent success with Verna, I am slightly biased that maybe Creta might get the much need safety ratings. More so, when I checked the facelifted creta in person in the showroom, it seemed to give the reassuring thud. Perhaps I may be wrong here too!

[Flasshhhh]

Originally Posted by vijay.s

Hi all,

Sorry for the long post!

I have been contemplating buying the seltos top-end GTX+ DCT automatic. I believe it offers more bang for the buck when compared to the Hyundai Creta. However, I am conflicted in my mind about the following points and request feedback from members here

1. Since, I am only looking at the top-end, I can get even the Diesel automatic at the same price as the DCT automatic. My driving would be limited to home-to-office commutes (~30 Km) per day, and some weekend drives to mall, shopping etc, and occassional visits to blore once/twice a year. All put together, in a year, I don't see more than 8000 km on the odo. Given these numbers, I have read enough to say it warrants a petrol but given the fuel economy of the petrol DCT, I am wondering If I should consider a diesel

2. Regarding the DPF issues - Can we avoid it if I take the vehicle once every two weeks or so for a stroll on the express way just to get the diesel particular matter burnt out by running at 60 kmph?

3. Given that there is an organic compound getting added to Diesel to make it more env. friendly, Is it the case that it causes nausea for people in a diesel car?

4. I already have a booking for the newly launched Creta facelift 2024 and the sales advisor is not able to provide a timeline by when he can deliver the car since I don't want a black or a white color. Seems like these are the only 2 colors being predominantly released to the showroom. I had booked the car very early in Jan 2024 but still no idea on when the car would be deliver. Plus the version I booked was an IVT since I thought that would suffice my purpose. However, on driving the seltos DCT, I found the IVT on creta a little bit laggy. Should I instead change my booking to Creta DCT or go with Seltos DCT itself?

Thanks

I was also in the same dilemma 4 months back. But went ahead with DCT for my peace of mind.

1. More important thing than distance(~30kms) is your driving behavior. Whether you are going for office, mall or anywhere, If you are driving at 30-40kmph at low rpms, due to traffic and all, or if getting stuck in bumper traffic frequently, then DPF issues will arise. More the "low speed" for high intervals, more the DPF issues.

2. To perform passive regen(which occurs automatically if you have highway drives at 60-70kmph at 2000-2500rpm), you need to drive the car for 50-60mins. OR you can have active regen which takes approx 30mins. and will consume extra fuel.
So, if your sole purpose to drive on express way is to have passive regen, indirectly you are wasting your fuel/money and same in case of active regen which requires fuel.
Add to that additional diesel maintenance and a constant worry of DPF clogging in the mind.

3. Never heard of any health issue from my friends who own diesel cars.

4. If you liked DCT, you should change your booking for sure. Whether Creta or Seltos is your personal choice.
I loved Seltos both its exteriors and interiors as compared to creta. Hence, my only options were HTX+ iMT and DCT(HTX+,GTX+). Took test drives, liked DCT, finalized it, and currently after 50 days and approx 500kms(only infrequent city driving till now), loving DCT. Getting approx 11KMPL and yes, there is a couple secs lag in first 2 gears. But, no jerks at all. DCT is definitely more responsive and fun to drive.
Also, If you use Auto start/stop and Autohold properly, DCT will definitely have a good life.

[Col Mehta]

Originally Posted by vijay.s

Hi all,

Sorry for the long post!

I have been contemplating buying the seltos top-end GTX+ DCT automatic. I believe it offers more bang for the buck when compared to the Hyundai Creta. However, I am conflicted in my mind about the following points and request feedback from members here.

Originally Posted by vijay.s

1. Whether its safe to go with proven IVT(CVT) technology or choose DCT as many forum members have expressed concerns about transmission heating up in stop-go traffic! Plus the sales advisor at Hyundai has been kind of pushing me towards choosing a IVT for my usage as he feels it more than suffices my needs. I don't know if this is because they aren't getting any Creta with DCT transmission.

2. Whether the resale value will be affected considering hyundai is more a well known brand in India?

3. Strong emphasis on build quality in their facelift car when compared to Seltos. Of course, nothing is proven till the safety ratings are out but given the recent success with Verna, I am slightly biased that maybe Creta might get the much need safety ratings. More so, when I checked the facelifted creta in person in the showroom, it seemed to give the reassuring thud. Perhaps I may be wrong here too!

Hello - If your primary usage is going to be within the city, there is nothing better than IVT. It's smooth, lag free, jerk free and easy to maintain in the longer run. Use the Sport mode with paddle shifts and you would like it on the highways also. Believe me, it's not a slouch when you know how to play with the power band. Of course, not as good as turbo DCTs on open roads, but then DCTs aren't that great in the city traffic conditions. Not entirely sure about their reliability, but there is always a risk with these complex turbo motors and DCTs are prone to overheating (some might say they are not due to ISG/Auto Hold which I would consider only with a pinch of salt - I would like to believe it but only when I see a supporting published documentation, until then, I wouldn't rely on what I read online). You need to be super careful how you drive it in stop and go traffic, unlike TCs and CVT/IVTs which are just far superior in those conditions. We are also contemplating Xline which comes with DCT and are a little nervous when it comes to its long-term reliability.

I will not recommend diesel as they come with DPF headaches. Plus yearly run of mere 8k just does not demand for it. You would be better off with either the Creta SXO IVT (if you are okay with its underwhelming interior) which comes with all bells and whistles, has excellent ride/seat comfort, better resale, service network and extended warranty coverage (7 years) or the Seltos DCT (if you like it better and are okay with all black interior) which has more usable features.

From safety POV, both KIA and Hyundai claim that they have made improvements, but until these two cars are crash tested, it's hard to say which one is better in that regard. And you are correct in your observation - the doors on the FL Creta do have more weight in comparison, but then it's not necessarily conclusive.

Difficult spot to be in - good luck!

[MalnadMansha]

Does anybody know when the next facelift for Seltos is due? I am considering upgrading from my 2017 City soon, but there are no issues with the car whatsoever. I am thinking about changing to an automatic after daily standstill traffic at the infamous Marathahalli Bridge in Bangalore! I am not in a hurry, so can wait for the next facelift, if there is going to be one this year. But if there may be no major facelift happening anytime soon, then I can think about upgrading soon as well.