[TorkBHP]

Originally Posted by abhi3284

Had already spoken with nearby Tyre Shop and arranged for Conti UC6 Tyres for swap after Delivery. Got it done.

Conti UC6 price: 12,500 /-
JK UC Royale Buyback: 5500 /-
Difference per Tyre: 7000 /-
Total Cost for Tyre Swap: 28,250 /- including Balancing Weight charges.

Congratulations!
Happy mile munching in your Hulk
Had you considered Yokohama?
If yes, which variant?
Did you notice a change in the ride quality after the tyre switch?
Which location are you based out of?

[TorkBHP]

Experts - need guidance
I want a diesel automatic loaded with features hence almost finalised on the seltos gtx plus (D AT) but in my TD I noticed the evident stiffness of the suspension (ride quality) and the interiors looked less spacious for a car costing upwards of 22 lacs. Also I'm not sure about the after sales service of Kia.
I've been using a creta for the last 7 years so the obvious questions popping into my mind are
1. Will the family (rear benchers) be happy in this car - is there a solution to address the stiffness of ride quality?
2. Is there any other alternative car offering all the features that a seltos does?
3. Is KIA ASS comparable to hyundai?

[Aviator_guy]

Originally Posted by TorkBHP

Experts - need guidance
I want a diesel automatic loaded with features hence almost finalised on the seltos gtx plus (D AT) but in my TD I noticed the evident stiffness of the suspension (ride quality) and the interiors looked less spacious for a car costing upwards of 22 lacs. Also I'm not sure about the after sales service of Kia.
I've been using a creta for the last 7 years so the obvious questions popping into my mind are
1. Will the family (rear benchers) be happy in this car - is there a solution to address the stiffness of ride quality?
2. Is there any other alternative car offering all the features that a seltos does?
3. Is KIA ASS comparable to hyundai?

We have both Creta and Seltos (petrol automatic) in the family so can share some perspective.

1. Rear bench width difference is marginal but we find Creta rear bench more comfortable for 3 passengers. If you already have Creta, not sure if you would get a feel of a bigger car in Seltos. About the suspension, Hyundai keeps it more of softer side which does great job in city and potholes ridden roads. Earlier Seltos used to have quite stiff suspension but now they have made it more compliant so difference may not be significant in terms of ride quality. But do test drive with family so you all can judge the comfort. You are used to Creta and hence the ride quality difference may be more noticeable to you instantly.

2. 20-30 lacs segment is super hot right now but at the lower end, it is very difficult to beat the Korean twins. Not sure if you have considered Alcazar or Carens but they can be other options for you. If you have budget then XUV7OO could be a worthy contender. VW twins would feel like a downgrade after owning Creta in terms of space and size. Same thing for Maruti / Toyota twins. Since you are interested in Diesel AT variants, choices are limited to Koreans / Mahindra. Won't recommend Tata due to poor after sales and QC issues.

3. Kia service has been good here in Bangalore and I believe, service levels are comparable to Hyundai in Tier1 cities. Haven't come across much negative criticism in the forum either so that's a good sign. Do check the availability of service centres in your vicinity.

[Behemoth]

Originally Posted by Aviator_guy

Could you please share where did you buy it from? Is there a direct link you could share?

Hi
I bought them from Genome directly - the person's name is Dnyashewar (he is the owner) - you can find his contact details on Insta if you search for their handle "Genomecaraccessories"
Though I have his number, it is not allowed to share mobile numbers on Team Bhp.

The lights costed me 7500 delivered to me at Gurgaon from Pune and reached me in 3 days through courier.

The connector you will need to buy seperately and it looks like this. It is called as a KUM auto connector

[jacob.thomas]

Hi All,

I had a few queries regarding the 1.5TGDi DCT

1) When you engage AutoHold, if I come to a halt and autohold gets engaged, is the gearbox in neutral or 1st gear?

2) What happens when Autohold and Idle Stop Go (ISG) both are switched on? If the engine restarts (say to switch on the AC so as to maintain cabin temperature), is the engine in neutral or 1st gear?

3) Is the DCT gearbox of the 1st gen and the facelift Seltos the same?

[bharathdonti]

Today, I observed that with two adults and a child in the rear seats, along with luggage in the trunk, there's minimal space remaining between the tire and the body cladding. These are 18-inch wheels. The suspension tends to bottom out on rough roads

[bharathdonti]

Originally Posted by jacob.thomas

Hi All,

I had a few queries regarding the 1.5TGDi DCT

1) When you engage AutoHold, if I come to a halt and autohold gets engaged, is the gearbox in neutral or 1st gear?

2) What happens when Autohold and Idle Stop Go (ISG) both are switched on? If the engine restarts (say to switch on the AC so as to maintain cabin temperature), is the engine in neutral or 1st gear?

Mine is a Diesel AT

1) when at halt, it's in 1st gear unless you shift the gear to neutral

2) the same is when autohold and ISG are turned on

[bharathdonti]

Originally Posted by TorkBHP

1. Will the family (rear benchers) be happy in this car - is there a solution to address the stiffness of ride quality?

The suspension is noticeably firmer. Having transitioned from the S Cross, I find the Seltos ride (with 18-inch wheels) quite rigid. Adjusting tire pressure significantly contributes to improving comfort for passengers in the rear seats. I don't see any viable alternatives.

[Col Mehta]

Originally Posted by jacob.thomas

Hi All,

I had a few queries regarding the 1.5TGDi DCT

1) When you engage AutoHold, if I come to a halt and autohold gets engaged, is the gearbox in neutral or 1st gear?

2) What happens when Autohold and Idle Stop Go (ISG) both are switched on? If the engine restarts (say to switch on the AC so as to maintain cabin temperature), is the engine in neutral or 1st gear?

3) Is the DCT gearbox of the 1st gen and the facelift Seltos the same?

Auto hold does not make your car shift to neutral or safeguard your gearbox. Some will tell you it does - please ask them how with supporting facts. I would also be interested to understand it and be happy to be proved wrong. So what all auto hold does is, it holds your car while still in gear and you not having to keep your foot on the brakes. It’s very convenient, but at the same time, it’s not recommended to use auto hold plus D mode for a long duration. It’s like the car is trying to move since it’s in D mode, but the auto hold function keeps applying breaks to make it stop. As a good practice, wait time over 20-30 seconds should make you switch to neutral (with auto hold on/off - doesn’t matter). This has been confirmed by multiple senior technicians at Hyundai.

Can’t say about ISG and the DSG gearbox generation though (but do keep in mind that DSG will remain prone to failure regardless of generations).

[blogslogger]

Originally Posted by Col Mehta

Auto hold does not make your car shift to neutral or safeguard your gearbox. Some will tell you it does - please ask them how with supporting facts.

Auto Hold is not as simple as the car applying the handbrake. It is activated by the ECU. The last know brake pressure is communicated to the ECU and it disengages the clutch so that the gears don't spin along with the engine. Modern transmissions have inputs from ABS Module, Speed Sensors and Brake Switch. So when ABS detects no slip, Speed is zero and Brake Switch is active, the clutch disengages. This is the reason why when ABS sensors fail, EPB and Auto Hold functions are finnicky. Also, when the accelerator is pressed to disengage Auto Hold, a slight jerk is felt. This is the clutch engaging.

The activation of Auto Hold in traffic is one of the first considerations in the design, and it is well thought out. So please do not worry about changing the gear to N when Auto hold is active. It won't be harmful to the car.
I'm attaching one of the patents of Auto Hold and its operation.

https://data.epo.org/publication-ser...5659&iFormat=0

[Col Mehta]

Originally Posted by blogslogger

Auto Hold is not as simple as the car applying the handbrake. It is activated by the ECU. The last know brake pressure is communicated to the ECU and it disengages the clutch so that the gears don't spin along with the engine. Modern transmissions have inputs from ABS Module, Speed Sensors and Brake Switch. So when ABS detects no slip, Speed is zero and Brake Switch is active, the clutch disengages. This is the reason why when ABS sensors fail, EPB and Auto Hold functions are finnicky. Also, when the accelerator is pressed to disengage Auto Hold, a slight jerk is felt. This is the clutch engaging.

The activation of Auto Hold in traffic is one of the first considerations in the design, and it is well thought out. So please do not worry about changing the gear to N when Auto hold is active. It won't be harmful to the car.
I'm attaching one of the patents of Auto Hold and its operation.

https://data.epo.org/publication-ser...5659&iFormat=0

This is helpful, thank you. I suppose there are various theories flying around when it comes to auto hold. Technicians at Hyundai are very confident when they say it does not do anything other than applying brakes to “hold” the vehicle while the transmission is still in drive mode hence putting strain on the system.

Btw, I couldn’t find any information in the provided link on whether or not auto hold disengages the clutch. Did I miss it? Can you point me towards it?

Thank you again. That’s the beauty of this forum - you learn something new everyday!

[xotiq]

Originally Posted by TorkBHP

Experts - need guidance
I want a diesel automatic loaded with features hence almost finalised on the seltos gtx plus (D AT) but in my TD I noticed the evident stiffness of the suspension (ride quality) and the interiors looked less spacious for a car costing upwards of 22 lacs. Also I'm not sure about the after sales service of Kia.
I've been using a creta for the last 7 years so the obvious questions popping into my mind are
1. Will the family (rear benchers) be happy in this car - is there a solution to address the stiffness of ride quality?
2. Is there any other alternative car offering all the features that a seltos does?
3. Is KIA ASS comparable to hyundai?

The firmness in the ride - there is no getting away from that. Tyres with higher sidewall might help a little, so does lower psi. If the roads are good, then the firmness is not an issue either at front or rear. One thing is that due to the inherent firmness, people get 'tossed' around a bit if you don't go easy on the hump/pothole etc. Apart from this, the Seltos Diesel Automatic is a gem. Good mileage, handling, refinement.

Thankful to have options at home, and for above road conditions, we use the Verna (new Turbo) and as long as you are careful with ground clearance, the ride is way better and supple, at the cost of mileage.

[blogslogger]

Originally Posted by Col Mehta

Btw, I couldn’t find any information in the provided link on whether or not auto hold disengages the clutch. Did I miss it? Can you point me towards it?

T

The article I linked has only a summary of the patent. I should have the copy somewhere but could not locate it.

A few more sources are

https://www.seat.com/car-terms/a/auto-hold-function
https://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/for...h-85642-2.html
https://www.mytiguan.com/threads/doe...utohold.33273/

And our very own: https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/road-...feature-2.html (Auto Hold: Most convenient yet neglected feature!)

[TorkBHP]

Originally Posted by bharathdonti

The suspension is noticeably firmer. Having transitioned from the S Cross, I find the Seltos ride (with 18-inch wheels) quite rigid. Adjusting tire pressure significantly contributes to improving comfort for passengers in the rear seats. I don't see any viable alternatives.

Is the rigidness to the extent of avoiding this car completely (as I'm yet to take the plunge)
Also saw the pics you posted of suspension bottoming out which has really put me into a doubt if this car is the right choice from a comfort perspective.
Would a change in tyres make the ride more comfortable?
Is there an indication on the tyre of the fkex / rigidity it has? If yes, what is it for jk tyre royale

[blogslogger]

Originally Posted by TorkBHP

Is the rigidness to the extent of avoiding this car completely (as I'm yet to take the plunge)
Also saw the pics you posted of suspension bottoming out which has really put me into a doubt if this car is the right choice from a comfort perspective.
Would a change in tyres make the ride more comfortable?
Is there an indication on the tyre of the fkex / rigidity it has? If yes, what is it for jk tyre royale

The ride is firm but supple. It is subjective but it is certainly not a deal breaker. You can ask the SA to reduce the Tyre Pressure to 32 PSI in the test drive vehicle and see the difference. It is almost as comfortable as previous gen Creta.

We have had long road trips with 5 people and luggage over broken patches of roads and even non existent roads. Not once did it bottom out. So do not worry about it.