[GTlists_3131]

Originally Posted by @ppy.tbhp

Hello GTlists_3131, did the ASC actually scan the car for the engine light the first time and every time after that?

The code has been scanned and it is the same O2 sensor error that is found in the history every single time. Yes it has been intermittent and comes on at times when I start the car. It stays for a day or half and disappears again after 2-3 engine start ups.

It has been causing a weird sound from the engine whenever I accelerate and during the most recent error I noticed the car being lethargic to accelerate and increased vibrations on idling. I could feel heavy vibrations with my hands on the steering, something that I haven't experienced before.

I have been told by someone that they experienced the same issue and it was diagnosed to be a faulty fuel injector. I have communicated the same to the ASC and am yet to hear from them.

KIA IND has currently acknowledged the issue and I got a call from the previous ASC, PPS KIA assuring me that they would coordinate with Naara KIA and resolve any issues at the earliest.

[@ppy.tbhp]

Originally Posted by GTlists_3131

The code has been scanned and it is the same O2 sensor error that is found in the history every single time. Yes it has been intermittent and comes on at times when I start the car. It stays for a day or half and disappears again after 2-3 engine start ups. It has been causing a weird sound from the engine whenever I accelerate and during the most recent error I noticed the car being lethargic to accelerate and increased vibrations on idling. I could feel heavy vibrations with my hands on the steering, something that I haven't experienced before.

GTlists_3131, that makes sense. If the O2 sensor's heater circuit is malfunctioning, or broken, it can definitely mess with fuel injection and cause all these issues at cold engine startups. Since the sensor helps regulate the air-fuel mixture, any fault in it can lead to rough idling, vibrations, sluggish acceleration, and even weird engine sounds. Also, since you’re noticing the issue mainly when starting the car, it’s worth checking if the heater circuit is broken. The O2 sensor needs to be preheated on cold startups, and if that’s not happening, it could be throwing off the air-fuel mixture until the engine warms up. Since the issue is intermittent, it would be a good idea to check the wiring harness for any rodent damage. If there’s a chewed or partially broken wire, it could be causing electrical issues and messing up the O2 sensor readings.

I have been told by someone that they experienced the same issue and it was diagnosed to be a faulty fuel injector. I have communicated the same to the ASC and am yet to hear from them.

If the fuel injector is clogged or leaking, it’s definitely going to mess with the air-fuel ratio, which can cause all sorts of issues—rough idling, hesitation, and even those vibrations you mentioned. When that happens, the O2 sensor readings will be all over the place, making things even worse.

[abhi3284]

Had a quick query regarding UV Cut Glass that's provided in Seltos GT Line variant. I am feeling too much heat when parked under the Sun due to which i am unsure if it is UV Cut Glass or not. I had also read there was a brief period when KIA has discontinued providing UV Cut Glass on GT Line and then started providing it again. Mine is a Nov-Dec 2023 Mfg Seltos.

Is there any way to identify if the Glass is indeed UV Cut, apart from checking the Tint Color. Any way of finding from the Saint Gobain Sekurit Print on the Window Glass? I saw in few other Cars, there is a Transparency % printed, but i do not see it in my Car.

Sharing a Pic of my Window Glass. Could anyone owning GT Line check the Saint Gobain Print on the Window Glass and confirm how it looks like.

Thanks.

[carhead]

Whats the reason for lower sales of Seltos vs Creta?
Seltos '23 facelift does 5-6K whereas Creta '24 facelift does 17K

They are both on same platforms. Is there a variant gap?

[Emvi]

Originally Posted by carhead

Whats the reason for lower sales of Seltos vs Creta?
Seltos '23 facelift does 5-6K whereas Creta '24 facelift does 17K

They are both on same platforms. Is there a variant gap?

I can think of the following reasons:

• The Creta is so popular that people shopping in its price segment just can’t overlook the car. Additionally, the Creta is undoubtedly one of the most sought-after cars in the used car market as well.
  
• In terms of after-sales service and overall reach, Kia lags far behind in comparison.
  
• Brand acceptability could be another factor.

[blogslogger]

Originally Posted by bharathdonti

I completely agree with your perspective. After covering around 33,000 km, I believe I will start changing the engine oil every 5,000 km for peace of mind. Additionally, once the warranty period is over, I definitely want to switch to thicker oils. Although I haven't researched which oil to use yet, I will begin looking into it as the time approaches.

Although it is a personal opinion, please do stick to recommend oil change intervals. From a performance perspective, there is no advantage to change change oils so quickly. From an environmental perspective as well, engine oils are generally discarded improperly so extending their life as long as possible helps.

Besides, engines are very hardy. There are cases of engines running 60k kms without an oil change. So a few thousand kms doesn't hurt.

Changing the spec of oils is also not recommended as new engines are built to a lot tighter tolerance and can't take too much deviation.

[bharathdonti]

Originally Posted by abhi3284

Sharing a Pic of my Window Glass. Could anyone owning GT Line check the Saint Gobain Print on the Window Glass and confirm how it looks like.

Thanks.

This is how it appears on my GTX. However, this isn't the OEM windshield; I had to replace the original one due to a crack.

[parimal]

Originally Posted by carhead

Whats the reason for lower sales of Seltos vs Creta?
Seltos '23 facelift does 5-6K whereas Creta '24 facelift does 17K

They are both on same platforms. Is there a variant gap?

Check this link from Autocar which mentions why Creta is zooming ahead of Seltos by a mile

Reason 1
2019 : Kia was launched with excellent diesel engines much better than the Creta, 2024. Diesel sales have fizzled out in the Indian automobile market and so has Seltos.

Reason 2

Hyundai is dumping its engines to Kia and these engines have failed to excite customers.

Reason 3

Rigid selection of features and gearbox in the different models eg no manual in top end GTX model and offering less discounts compared to other brands.

There are many more reasons. It is better to see the entire podcast and also look forward to catching some exciting scoops for the next 18 months from Hormaz on Kia’s plans in India.

https://youtu.be/8ZSf4jgew4A?si=Q2E7e_7ulW_glK-2

[07CR]

Originally Posted by carhead

Whats the reason for lower sales of Seltos vs Creta?
Seltos '23 facelift does 5-6K whereas Creta '24 facelift does 17K

They are both on same platforms. Is there a variant gap?

Reach of Hyundai vs Kia is one of the biggest reasons! For instance there are 10 Hyundai dealers in Pune city. Kia is at a meagre 3. As per Cardekho, Hyundai has a whopping 1464 Hyundai showrooms in India compared to Kia's meagre 320.This analysis of mine actually shows the seltos being the 2nd best seller in the segment, when you count the number of cars sold per dealership (Creta ranks 3rd) (C2 Segment SUV Sales per dealership)

One of my relatives who lives in Mirajgaon (hinterlands) didn't even know about a car called Seltos and bought the Creta. Upon seeing my Seltos he didn't even know about it and had slight buyer's remorse when he understood both cars costed practically the same. I am sure there are many such other cases.

Another reason is Kia is currently operating at near 100% capacity, with a spike in capacity, the numbers should improve.

That said, Kia has also hit themselves in the foot by not providing Manual in the top variant like Hyundai does, and also not providing the IVT in higher variants.

[bharathdonti]

Originally Posted by Col Mehta

Going forward though, we want to change the engine oil every 5k kms keeping oil dilution in mind, however, he advised against it (I think we would still want to change it early for our mental peace).

Yesterday, I went to the KIA service centre to have my engine bay and air filter cleaned. Too much dust has accumulated, and during regular service intervals, a polish is applied to the engine bay, which causes the dust to stick. That's why I needed to get it washed.

While I was there, I spoke with the service manager about changing the oil every 5,000 km. He mentioned that my warranty would remain valid as long as I don't miss the yearly service or the 10,000 km service interval (whichever comes first). He also pointed out that changing the oil every 5,000 km isn't necessary, as KIA wouldn't have recommended the 10,000 km service interval if they hadn't done their R&D

That said, it's ultimately up to the owner's discretion whether to change the engine oil at earlier intervals at their own expense. I’m still waiting for a quotation on how much it would cost to change the oil every 5,000 km.

[Col Mehta]

Originally Posted by bharathdonti

I spoke with the service manager about changing the oil every 5,000 km. He mentioned that my warranty would remain valid as long as I don't miss the yearly service or the 10,000 km service interval (whichever comes first). He also pointed out that changing the oil every 5,000 km isn't necessary, as KIA wouldn't have recommended the 10,000 km service interval if they hadn't done their R&D

That said, it's ultimately up to the owner's discretion whether to change the engine oil at earlier intervals at their own expense. I’m still waiting for a quotation on how much it would cost to change the oil every 5,000 km.

I feel changing the oil every 5k kms should keep the engine in good health keeping oil dilution in mind. Maybe not 100% needed, but wouldn't hurt either. The oil change should be ~ 2,500 INR (including filter and other consumables). Here is the bill copy from our recent (2nd) service at 8.5k kms:

[SeniorC]

Originally Posted by bharathdonti

That said, it's ultimately up to the owner's discretion whether to change the engine oil at earlier intervals at their own expense. I’m still waiting for a quotation on how much it would cost to change the oil every 5,000 km.

Modern car engines are built for very high tolerance limits. Similar for engine oils which are much better engineered than say in 1970s. If the manufacturer recommends to change every 10,000 kms, rest assured, this will include a fair factor of safety. So changing engine oils earlier would be a waste. Even if the cost for oil change a car owner would be minimal, perhaps much less than a tank refill of fuel.

[TorkBHP]

BHPians

Need expert views
During a random check on KIA connect app I noticed that the fault diagnostic section is showing Engine oil, fuel filter, Oil filter, tire rotation & wheel alignment as abnormal (rest of the parameters are showing normal).
I have serviced the car at pre defined intervals, despite that what could be the reason to get such diagnostic results?

[@ppy.tbhp]

Originally Posted by TorkBHP

BHPians

Need expert views
During a random check on KIA connect app I noticed that the fault diagnostic section is showing Engine oil, fuel filter, Oil filter, tire rotation & wheel alignment as abnormal (rest of the parameters are showing normal).
I have serviced the car at pre defined intervals, despite that what could be the reason to get such diagnostic results?

Hello TorkBHP, The KIA Connect app has a Maintenance Alert section where you can manually reset all these service intervals. Sometimes, even after a proper service, the app doesn’t recognize it until you update it yourself. Just hop into the maintenance alert section and reset the ones for Engine Oil, Fuel Filter, Oil Filter, Tire Rotation, and Wheel Alignment and others—that should clear up those ‘abnormal’ warnings. I’m attaching a screenshot so you know exactly where to go. Stay on top of your car maintenance game—no one likes surprise issues on the road! Let me know if you need any help.

[abhi3284]

Am writing this Post to share my feelings and disappointment with the Mileage i am getting in my Seltos GT Line Turbo Petrol variant.


Few things to clear off:

- I always do a Full-tank till Auto Cut-off and fill Indian Oil XP95 from the same Fuel station.
- Being WFH, my monthly running is not a lot. Around 400 Kms on average, if no long trips or outstation visits. So, mostly it is just 1 Full Tank Fuel-up per month. My running can be split as 75:25 for City:Highway
- I mostly drive with a light foot. I sometimes wish to drive spiritedly, but the thought of low Mileage does not allow me to do so. Hence, unable to enjoy the Turbo capabilities.
- Majority of my Drive is in Normal Mode with Auto Hold and Auto Start On.


While the ARAI claimed Mileage is 17.9 kmpl, i barely touch Double Digits in my City runs (moderate traffic) when measured via Auto cut-off to Auto cut-off method. It hovers between 8 - 9 kmpl, while the MID would show 10-11 kmpl. If there is some Highway run in the mix along with majority city run, it would bump up to 10-11 kmpl. On a couple of full outstation Highway runs, i have got 13.93 kmpl on my Goa Trip, which is the Max Mileage i have got so far. On a recent Highway Trip to Mumbai via the Expressway, it returned 11.85 kmpl. The lowest FE on a Full Tank i have got is 7.22 kmpl. I definitely expected slightly better numbers. More like 11-12 kmpl for City runs and 15-16 kmpl for Highway runs. Coming from a Diesel and always seeing 18 kmpl in City and 22-23 kmpl in Highways, this Hurts real bad.


I just got the 1 Yr. Service with Oil change done last month and was really hoping for some improvement in Mileage, but the recent Mumbai run has dispelled that as it returned just 11.85 kmpl. I also somehow feel the Mileage has dropped after the 2nd Service. Reason i say that is when i start the Car and get going from my Apartment, i see the real time mileage showing 4-5 kmpl and it slowly builds up to 8-9 kmpl.


Another observation is when i do my Fuel fill-ups till Auto cut-off, the DTE is always around 812 Km, but the actual Kms i get on a Full tank is far from that. Its around 400 Kms on a pure City run and ~ 550 Kms on a Highway run. Again, a longer duration between my 2 fill-ups might also be contributing towards lesser DTE and lower FE numbers. Not sure about that.


Am curious to know what DTE numbers do other GT Line Turbo Petrol owners see for a Full tank and what you actually get.
Is my FE numbers too low or Am i just being a bit too greedy and my expectations are out of line?
Any other Tips or Tricks would be appreciated.


Sharing few snaps from the Fuel Tracking App i use to track the numbers.