[TorkBHP]

Originally Posted by shamanth

The issue is with GTX models of Both Kia Seltos and Hyundai Creta where Bose systems are installed, lower model has wireless AA/CP since they don't have Bose system.
Missing this important feature to accommodate crapy Bose system looks unwise.

I think it's due to the inbuilt navigation and not due to Bose sound system

[Black Panther]

Originally Posted by shamanth

The issue is with GTX models of Both Kia Seltos and Hyundai Creta where Bose systems are installed, lower model has wireless AA/CP since they don't have Bose system.
Missing this important feature to accommodate crapy Bose system looks unwise.

Having a Bose system and not getting a wireless AA/CP are not related at all. The lack of wireless capability is more of a hardware limitation on 10.25 screens, is what I heard.

[shamanth]

Originally Posted by TorkBHP

I think it's due to the inbuilt navigation and not due to Bose sound system

No, that's a sales persons excuse, when you ask sales person why we don't have Wireless, what is the use of wireless charging. They all respond, you have inbuilt maps so we don't need maps from Google/Apple. When you again question him, anyways i wont use half baked inbuilt maps, and there are many music apps and other apps we use from AA/CP not just maps, they don't have answer. Same thing with Hyundai Creta and Verna, ones with Bose don't have AA/CP wireless.

Originally Posted by Black Panther

Having a Bose system and not getting a wireless AA/CP are not related at all. The lack of wireless capability is more of a hardware limitation on 10.25 screens, is what I heard.

Similarly one of the guy told me, its due to Bose system we don't have license/integration for Bose system to use AA/CP wireless..

[Aviator_guy]

Originally Posted by Black Panther

Having a Bose system and not getting a wireless AA/CP are not related at all. The lack of wireless capability is more of a hardware limitation on 10.25 screens, is what I heard.

That seems correct.

Originally Posted by shamanth

Similarly one of the guy told me, its due to Bose system we don't have license/integration for Bose system to use AA/CP wireless..

Nothing to do with Bose system. 10.25" screens in Hyundai / Kia (with or without Bose system) don't have wireless capability. I have to make do with wireless adapter to convert wired AA/CP to wireless for my Creta SX IVT model which doesn't have Bose system.

[Flasshhhh]

Originally Posted by Nrulz

This is my long awaited first team-bhp car buying experience. Excited: pardon my long post.


However, VIN indicated that this is October manufactured, against sales person mentioning it as December model. During test drive sales person mentioned a discount of 70k for 2023 model and before stockyard visit we negotiated to 90k. Since we found an October model we requested for a final discount of 1lakh. (Thanks to team-bhp again @Flasshhhh your posts on negotiation skills really helped us). I have several others to thank on the Seltos facelift thread, who answered every query; we did ready vehicle ownership threads of every other vehicle considered. so this Thank You list will be never ending.

I feel honored to be of help.
And Hearty Congratulations! The car is looking lovely.
Also, its an October one so you will have the benefit of One touch Up and Down feature which is missing in mine.

And the way you described your experience was great. Loved reading every bit of it. And would love to hear more of your drive experiences on this platform.

[vijay.s]

Hi all,

I just spoke to the dealer with whom I had booked the Seltos top end GTX plus. Since, the car wasn't available in free stock, I had booked the car and sales advisor confirmed that the vehicle is in transit.

Today, when I checked if the vehicle has reached their stockyard, he said yes, but was mentioning that some of the vehicles in transit have been billed based on new prices. I am not sure why only a few of them would be billed based on the new price. I didn't believe and told him that the new prices were advertised to be in effect only from 1'st Apr but he didn't have any reply to this question.

Is this some kind of tactic being played out by showroom folks? I am ready to take the delivery before the price change but somehow he seems to indicate that their invoice is already reflecting the new prices. Is this possible? The Seltos GTX plus is 300/- short of 20L ex-showroom price after which the tax rates go up by 1%. If the ex-showroom price increase above 20L, then that itself is a straight 20K Impact on the on-road price.

Thanks

[ashvek3141]

Originally Posted by vijay.s

I just spoke to the dealer with whom I had booked the Seltos top end GTX plus. Since, the car wasn't available in free stock, I had booked the car and sales advisor confirmed that the vehicle is in transit.

Today, when I checked if the vehicle has reached their stockyard, he said yes, but was mentioning that some of the vehicles in transit have been billed based on new prices. I am not sure why only a few of them would be billed based on the new price. I didn't believe and told him that the new prices were advertised to be in effect only from 1'st Apr but he didn't have any reply to this question.

Is this some kind of tactic being played out by showroom folks? I am ready to take the delivery before the price change but somehow he seems to indicate that their invoice is already reflecting the new prices. Is this possible? The Seltos GTX plus is 300/- short of 20L ex-showroom price after which the tax rates go up by 1%. If the ex-showroom price increase above 20L, then that itself is a straight 20K Impact on the on-road price.

This for sure is a malpractice by Kia and the dealers alike.

I too have a booking of the Sonet D AT for this month and was promised that the car should be here before the month end.

But since the news of the price hike , I have been chasing the dealer and what I hear are only excuses ; primarily that they haven’t received any dispatch confirmation for this week.

One can clearly sense the hidden agenda behind this. Sad that Kia is resorting to such tactics.

It’s well deserved for them that they lag behind their cousin Hyundai , in terms of car-to-car sales.

[Nrulz]

Originally Posted by jacob.thomas

Congrats on your new ride! Could you please share a few photos of the dual layer mat and the key cover?

Thank You. Please find few images below. Hope it helps.

Front driver side - Coverage for dead pedal and opening at fuel switch is useful


Front passenger side


Rear full view


Center is covered


Key cover


comparison top view


comparison side view

[arcanec]

Originally Posted by shamanth

Similarly one of the guy told me, its due to Bose system we don't have license/integration for Bose system to use AA/CP wireless..

Bose and lack of wireless AA/CP are unrelated; as is the size of the screen. It's got to do with the maps capability of the inbuilt Navigation software. This has been a topic globally for Kia/Hyundai cars and at the end of 2023, Hyundai Motor Group cars in Europe have started receiving firmware updates that enable wireless AA/CP.

Excerpt from an article on sammobile about this:

The infotainment systems with inbuilt navigation feature the hardware required for offering wireless connectivity to Android Auto and Apple CarPlay. In spite of that, Hyundai and Kia don’t offer the feature. According to a few reports, it has something to do with which maps platform the physical button for navigation opens on the infotainment system.

Source: https://www.sammobile.com/news/hyund...arplay-update/

My read of this is: in order to offer wireless AA/CP, Google/Apple insist on being the default map that opens when a user hits the Map button. Whereas Hyundai and Kia have agreements in place with the maps providers that power their inbuilt maps. In this conflict of interest between Big Tech and Big Auto, it's the end-customer who's stuck.

As the lower end trims for both manufacturers do not come with inbuilt navigation, they escape this.

[shamanth]

Originally Posted by arcanec

This has been a topic globally for Kia/Hyundai cars and at the end of 2023, Hyundai Motor Group cars in Europe have started receiving firmware updates that enable wireless AA/CP.

That's great news then, Hope they roll-out this in India too.

Even though I have the Carlink wireless dongle, its not a good integration compared to manufacturers integration and errors, loved it when I was driving VW T-Cross(Tiguan) was pretty seamless.

[bharathdonti]

Originally Posted by TorkBHP

24.5 kmpl is outstanding stuff for a 150+ kms distance (That too with considerable load)
You are the FE guru
My car will shortly be due for the first service, so hoping the average will get a small lift (what was your experience post first servicing?).
Would be happy to hear some more details on driving style / tips to achieve such good mileage.

I couldn't see much difference in the mileage increase after the first service. It's the same as how I felt after the first service—nothing noticeable.

I could only achieve up to 23km/l. This was the only drive where I could achieve something beyond 24km/l, and I can attribute that only to less traffic on the highway.

I usually do that once I get to the speed of 85 to 90 km/h. I keep cruising at the same speed by continuously keeping a light foot on the accelerator and never breaking hard. If I foresee something, I reduce the speed naturally and apply brakes a lot more only if needed.

[bharathdonti]

Originally Posted by vijay.s

In one of the Youtube videos from Karthikeya, he seemed to mention that the suspension particularly on diesel top end variant was extremely stiff and was not that bad in the petrol GTX plus variant. Do you also notice the suspension to be very firm? Apart from reducing the tyre pressue, have you made any other changes?

Keeping the tyre pressure at 31psi (cold tyre) has made a lot of difference in how the car drives compared to 33psi and beyond. Apart from the tyre pressure, I haven't made any changes to the suspension. And yes, the suspension is stiffer when I compare this with my previous car, the S Cross

Originally Posted by vijay.s

Also, I usually travel not more than 8500 km/year and I know it warrants a petrol engine but I know that the DCT transmission is not going to be frugal and will be a gas guzzler. Would you recommend taking the diesel variant If I take the vehicle for a short spin over the weekends to avoid the DPF issues?

Since you can go for a short spin over the weekends to avoid DPF issues, I would surely suggest going for diesel.

[arcanec]

Originally Posted by shamanth

That's great news then, Hope they roll-out this in India too.

I wouldn't count on it. Forums across USA/Canada indicate this isn't on the cards for those markets, and they're far more consumer-friendly than India. Assuming it even does get mandated in India, the likelihood of Hyundai/Kia then rolling it out to existing models is a whole other battle.

[abhi3284]

Originally Posted by sunilarkt

Electrical and electronic repairs are very expensive (if they occur and your warranty claim is denied). I wouldn't take the risk with such a complex car with so many sensors and tech. I would just go ahead with a 12V socket. It comes down to your risk appetite.

Originally Posted by Aviator_guy

Usually service center don't endorse outside dashcam or anything to do with wiring/installation. They will only try to scare you so that they can sell what they have.

However, if you are unsure, then for now you go with 12v socket option. In future, if you feel strong need for parking surveillance then you can think of hardwiring. I am happy with 12v socket for my dashcam as I only need footage during drive and not looking for parking surveillance. But many folks in this forum have done hard wiring so it should be a viable option otherwise we would have had a separate thread on warranty rejection due to hardwiring

Looks like that's what the SC guys are trying to do. Since you have the Dashcam connected to the 12V Socket, could you confirm if it drains the Battery when the Car is switched off or do you unplug it from the 12V Socket? I dont recall if it was you or someone else who had stated earlier that the Battery cuts off after a certain period of time. Parking surveillance would definitely be an added bonus, as i stay in an Apartment with Semi-covered Parking with the possible threat of kids lurking to cause any damage. Agree on your last statement but i feel the SC guys are just looking for an escape clause to reject any possible Electrical Warranty Claims stating Hardwiring being the cause.

Originally Posted by F1amit

I too had first 1 month service for my Seltos today and asked SA about dash cam hard wiring in Fuse Box. He also said it would impact warranty... So I asked him to reconfirm as Sales Advisor had shared different information with me at time of vehicle delivery (He basically mentioned as long as any wires are not cut, warranty would not be voided).
So service advisor connected me to his colleague and he too confirm about warranty being impacted in case hard wiring in fuse box.

To my surprise second SA told me that if dash cam is directly connected to battery then warranty would not be impacted.

I still could not understand how does coupler connection to Fuse box impacts warranty while direct connection to battery doesn't?

Exactly. They seem to be taking everyone for a ride and looking for an easy escape route to safeguard themselves. Btw, how are you proceeding ahead with Dashcam Installation, in case you are planning for it?
I have shot an E-mail to kiacare E-mail ID earlier today with the Dashcam query and asking for their take on Hardwiring from a Warranty perspective. I am not too hopeful of receiving a sensible response or any response for that matter, but hope to be proven wrong.

[Aviator_guy]

Originally Posted by abhi3284

Looks like that's what the SC guys are trying to do. Since you have the Dashcam connected to the 12V Socket, could you confirm if it drains the Battery when the Car is switched off or do you unplug it from the 12V Socket? I dont recall if it was you or someone else who had stated earlier that the Battery cuts off after a certain period of time. Parking surveillance would definitely be an added bonus, as i stay in an Apartment with Semi-covered Parking with the possible threat of kids lurking to cause any damage

12V socket gets switched off when the car is turned off (that's how it is in Kia and Hyundai) hence no need to worry about battery drain. However, it means that you can't use it for parking surveillance. Hardwiring is the only option. Hardwiring kit goes in the fuse box so there is no wire cut scenario. It also has auto cutoff feature when battery goes below a threshold. Please note that parking surveillance is usually time lapse video so it is not recording regular videos. Some dashcam only triggers parking videos when it detects any external impact on the car. Please check the features of the dashcam to ensure it meets your requirements.