[cool_dube]

Originally Posted by gsferrari

I would prefer a TCS, speed-independent, override switch to turn it off on demand in 2h as well as 4h. TCS on gravel/sand trails in 4H is not ideal. If there are uphill/downhill gradients I wouldn't want power getting cut without my input.

TCS on/off toggle switch is available on most cars today, including the Jimny (please see the second switch here).

[Samurai]

Sorry, I was driving since morning. Catching up with all the messages now.

Originally Posted by dhanushs

I think they are referring to tractive force, whenever traction is mentioned.

Yes, you are right. That is an engineering definition, which is confusing, especially when the commonly used meaning is different.

Originally Posted by Turbanator

Correct, I think he is going with the literal meaning of Traction.

Originally Posted by Baristyro

What I feel is happening here is that Samurai is sticking to the first definition while Suzuki might be meaning to convey information using the second definition.

Obviously... I always use the common English definition of traction while describing offroad techniques. Turns out Suzuki is using the engineering definition, which has the opposite effect here.

Traction (English) is the grip on the road surface. When I saw "No Traction", I read it as no grip, which means tyre is spinning.

Traction (Engineering) is the force required to pull an object over a surface. Here "No Traction" means it isn't getting enough torque, which means tyre is not spinning. This can happen if the other wheel is spinning.

While Suzuki brochure is technically correct, I wish they used more descriptive words than "No Traction" which can be easily mistaken for "No Grip".

[gsferrari]

Originally Posted by cool_dube

TCS on/off toggle switch is available on most cars today, including the Jimny (please see the second switch here).

It is linked to speed. Above a certain speed it will kick back in regardless of switch use.

Originally Posted by Himalayan_Ice

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Early times still. But I'll still put my money on the car being available at more rational pricing in a couple of years.

Unlikely. Cars will only get more expensive over time, not less.

Guys, I booked and WAITED for the JIMNY for six months before the price launch

as did many of us here as well.

I believe that by not addressing the price and customer service attitude of MSIL, we are letting paid hacks, bloggers and corporate implants hijack the conversation on to a different tangent.

The problem with conspiracy theories is that the believer stops focusing on what should be important to him/her and gets sidetracked by imagination and speculation.

Nobody likes the pricing. Those who have come to terms with it are just moving on either by cancelling or continuing with their bookings.

It will also do the industry disservice when quality products become an indulgence and the majority market is reduced to products that offer bare minimums in terms of features.

"Feelings" don't drive an industry. Hard cash and bottomline is everything. The cars are still selling and the exponential inflation boggles the mind. Are salaries also increasing with similar trajectories? When a Wagon R nudges 10L rupees you have to question the value of the currency. It is very quickly turning into toilet paper. Great for a "make in India" export centric market.

Also, this whole "booking without pricing/details and then waiting" business is absolutely horrible.

I don't think anybody likes this. Even for Maruti it must be disconcerting if 30K bookings turned to 20K cancellations on the day of the price announcement. I don't think that's what happened but what if that had happened? The low volume of production and long waiting times is there so the factory can absorb these potential shocks. If it doesn't happen, the brand value is perceived to be higher as it "appears" there is high demand for the product.

In both cases the manufacturer wins.

I would request the admins / mods to mark the profiles of members who work in in the industry / with industry related content generators, so there can be, for a layman like me, a clearer picture about opinions that are shaped by interests other than pay-checks.

So you would automatically perceive a message posted by someone tagged as an employee (direct or indirect) of MSIL as dishonest?

Just trying to understand where you stand on this. Had Behram Dhabhar sir been around this discussion would have taken a very interesting direction.

[Sankar]

Originally Posted by Turbanator

Absolutely, I skipped most of the things. The dealership is insisting on these and the mats. I think should be ok, else will peel off.

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The lower door trims does help to break the slab side profile and gels well with the grey wheel arches while also being functional providing protection to the lower door panels.

[nettooran]

Originally Posted by SUVolens

A general awareness message to the Jimny buying community here - please be aware of NEXA dealerships’ extortionist attitude for customers lining up to take delivery of their vehicles and by all means resist it so that this doesn’t become a norm like most other things in our country. I will elaborate.

Unsurprisingly, the two elements in the quotation that I immediately baulked at - insurance premium that was twice that of a Policy Bazaar quote for the same model (I had already done my homework) and a ‘compulsory’ accessory package.
Cheers

This is a practice for long. One of my friend got his Toyota Hyryder booking delivered in a month ( the modus operandi was the same. He was asked to take the the full accessory packahe and showroom insurance) . He went ahead and took the offer. He now rides a hyryder with a roof rack that you see on mumbai kali pili. looks teriible. He says he paid for it so, will not take it down.

[aravind422]

Originally Posted by Samurai

I wish they used more descriptive words than "No Traction" which can be easily mistaken for "No Grip".

Even though (in the user's manual), the quality of Japanese to English translation is pathetic, in this context, traction and grip are exactly the same, no traction DOES mean no grip.

The term 'Traction Control' refers to the technology used to control the amount of grip a tyre has on the road or sand or ice. A vehicle loses grip when any one wheel begins to slip. This happens because the differential sends 100% of the power to the spinning wheel. Earlier (1990s/2000s), traction control would kick in and actually reduce the amount of power sent to the wheels and momentarily stop wheel spin (thereby restoring grip/traction on that axle). Unfortunately, this also meant a momentary loss of power.

Modern vehicles may or may not reduce the power output to stop wheel spin. However, they heavily rely on ESP or electronic stability program to brake the spinning wheel (and again, send power to the wheel with more grip). This is exactly the same thing that the Jimny's brake lock differential does.

Guys, it's the same ABS sensor that makes all this possible. One electronic component or part, and so many fancy terms to advertise a vehicle.

A bit off topic here.

This BLD/B-LSD was here even earlier. Remember the real Hummer (the HMMWV-H1)? The USA used it in every battlefield they entered. That monster had a technology called ABM (Accelerator Brake Modulation). Here too, a sensor detects spin and the ECU slams the brakes, transferring power to the wheel with more contact to the ground.

Now, inspite of all these different terms and techniques, nothing comes even remotely close to a proper full-fledged differential lock when your AT's and MT's begin to lose grip in the slush or the rocks.

[Iconoclast]

Originally Posted by SUVolens

Previously, invoking Mr. Anurag Mathur, the then MD of Ford India, seems to have set right some nuisances experienced with Ford.

If my memory serves me right; isn't this Anurag Mehrotra?

[Himalayan_Ice]

Originally Posted by gsferrari

Unlikely. Cars will only get more expensive over time, not less.

Yes. That's why I used the word rational. Almost everything gets expensive but a 5% increase vs a 20% increase when inflation is at a 10% has two very different meanings in terms of increase. Relative Vs. Absolute.

Originally Posted by gsferrari

as did many of us here as well.

The point was to underscore my intent and not serve as a comparison to what anyone else did.

Originally Posted by gsferrari

The problem with conspiracy theories is that the believer stops focusing on what should be important to him/her and gets sidetracked by imagination and speculation.

I have worked in marketing and communications and thankfully aware of seeding, astroturfing and community management. If anyone believes that corporate giants aren't actively managing online chatter, I would consider them blissfully unaware at best.

Originally Posted by gsferrari

Nobody likes the pricing. Those who have come to terms with it are just moving on either by cancelling or continuing with their bookings.

Which I did and got another car. However if there is a point of view that I want to express I don't think anyone rational would ask me to "shut up and move on". We see enough throttling of opinion nowadays to have another space where you'll be cowered into silence. Let's not go there.

Originally Posted by gsferrari

"Feelings" don't drive an industry. Hard cash and bottomline is everything. The cars are still selling and the exponential inflation boggles the mind. Are salaries also increasing with similar trajectories? When a Wagon R nudges 10L rupees you have to question the value of the currency. It is very quickly turning into toilet paper. Great for a "make in India" export centric market.

I agree with currency devaluation but are automotive prices mirroring inflation trends? In absence of hard data, it's your word against mine so debating this would be useless. I will hold on the my opinion that cars are priced ridiculously right now.

I've worked in real estate for a bit and was able to witness the crash and burn of the industry after the 2008-2013 bull run. I see signs of plateauing growth and even degrowth in the auto industry. Won't be as spectacular. But the signs are all there. (Again, it's an outsider's view, and if I were so brilliant I'd already have an SL. I don't.)

Originally Posted by gsferrari

I don't think anybody likes this. Even for Maruti it must be disconcerting if 30K bookings turned to 20K cancellations on the day of the price announcement. I don't think that's what happened but what if that had happened? The low volume of production and long waiting times is there so the factory can absorb these potential shocks. If it doesn't happen, the brand value is perceived to be higher as it "appears" there is high demand for the product. In both cases the manufacturer wins.

Fool me once...
Strictly speaking for myself.

Originally Posted by gsferrari

So you would automatically perceive a message posted by someone tagged as an employee (direct or indirect) of MSIL as dishonest?

Dishonest is not the word I will use. Influenced? Absolutely. Coloured? Yes.

It'd be naive to not expect otherwise.

Exceptions will exist, but we don't navigate by exceptions.

Originally Posted by gsferrari

Just trying to understand where you stand on this. Had Behram Dhabhar sir been around this discussion would have taken a very interesting direction.

I think I have made my stand amply clear.

Also, this could potentially turn into needless needling while a certain gent in his faux camping jacket will be grinning at the amount of chatter being generated for his product.

If I may suggest chatting about this over frothy beverages if you're around these parts?

I keep coming back to this thread because, and I don't know why, I feel like having been taken for a ride by MSIL. Which has had the same reaction of hitting a huge pothole on one of our highways. I should have expected it, but it pisses me off regardless.

This far and no further. Unless I buy this car in the future, I swear off this thread here.

[Turbanator]

Insurance breakup.

The dealership has added a couple of useless benefits like a return to invoice and engine protection (I usually skip) and forgot to ask for a breakup. But they passed NCB without any issues. If done directly with New India, maybe a couple of thousand less. It took a while to complete the documentation, so if everything goes fine, the delivery should happen tomorrow.

I am sharing this for the benefit of other potential customers.

[volkman10]

Originally Posted by Turbanator

-- the delivery should happen tomorrow.

Congratulations and eagerly awaiting your impressions on the Jimny.

[Vid6639]

Originally Posted by Turbanator

It took a while to complete the documentation, so if everything goes fine, the delivery should happen tomorrow.

I am sharing this for the benefit of other potential customers.

What tyres have you upsized to?

[SUVolens]

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

If my memory serves me right; isn't this Anurag Mehrotra?

My bad. Mehrotra.

[Samurai]

Originally Posted by aravind422

The term 'Traction Control' refers to the technology used to control the amount of grip a tyre has on the road or sand or ice.

How do you control the amount of grip a tyre has on the road?

Originally Posted by aravind422

A vehicle loses grip when any one wheel begins to slip. This happens because the differential sends 100% of the power to the spinning wheel.

Sorry, this is all very confusing. When you say vehicle loses grip, you mean the wheel loses grip? Yes, then the wheel begins to spin. However, you say it happens because the differential sends 100% of the power to the spinning wheel? The 100% torque transfer to any one wheel can only happen in fully locked differential, and it goes to the wheel with grip. The wheel without grip doesn't get any torque in a fully lock differential.

You can refer to the link provided by Turbanator here, it gives very clear descriptions of different kind of differentials.

We have a separate thread for this discussion, please continue there if you are interested to discuss this further.

[SnakemanJohny]

Originally Posted by sumeethaldankar

Does the instrument cluster have the option to show the engine temperature, or is it missing on the Jimny? Why can't Maruti simply have the temperature gauge since it is so important?

I too feel that the temperature gauge is too important to be replaced simply by a warning light, that may get lost in the jungle and may escape notice.

I would have liked analog temp and fuel gauges under the tacho and speedo -- many cars follow that pattern.

[Turbanator]

Originally Posted by Vid6639

What tyres have you upsized to?

215x75x15- Yokos. The dealer replaced himself and asked for 20K, which looks reasonable. 235 would have been about 30K, but I think it will be overkill.