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[dhanushs]

Originally Posted by shankar.balan

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And basis my experience it works very well indeed. Removes the lag and makes the throttle much more responsive than before. Irons out the typical flat spot which causes the momentary delay between one’s ‘throttle stomp’ and the reaction of the vehicle to that ‘stomp’.....

. I know.. manufacturers have a lot of limitations while developing pedal maps, and products likes these bypass those infavour of the end user.. However, my comment was not pointing to the ineffectiveness of the product but to the fact that just a pedal map change can offset the bigger capacity turbo power.

[shankar.balan]

Originally Posted by dhanushs

. I know.. manufacturers have a lot of limitations while developing pedal maps, and products likes these bypass those infavour of the end user.. However, my comment was not pointing to the ineffectiveness of the product but to the fact that just a pedal map change can offset the bigger capacity turbo power.

I guess manufacturers have to meet all those emission and FE and other regulatory norms.

However if one adds this EVCX9 to the big turbo power as I have to my Thar Petrol, it is like adding Booster Juice to the throttle input. Beautifully smooth and linear power delivery.

Like Superman and his Kryptonite Capsules, Or like Super Goof and his Super Goobers Or even Asterix and Getafix’s Magic Potion.

[Neil Roy]

Originally Posted by PYSO

Jimny has a higher power to weight ratio than Thar. But it's let down by its laggy throttle response, most likely set like that by Suzuki to meet European/Australian emission norms.
Install a Throttle Controller in the Jimny, and it will run circles around the Thar.

Originally Posted by dhanushs

Damn this would be a good ad for the Throttle controller guys.. Install it in your 1.5 NA engine and run circles around 2.0 turbo petrols..

Whilst the Throttle Controller makes the Jimny go relatively fast, I wouldn't compare it to running circles around the Thar because I have driven the Thar Petrol and it is super fast. If we were to put the same throttle controller in the Thar, then it's advantage to Thar on speeds alone. When handling is compromised, any speed feels fast and that is very obvious in the Thar. In contrast, the Jimny is a more complete package it terms of comfort, handling and speed. A long drive of more than 8 hours in the Jimny and the Thar will clearly indicate the winner here
Can it compete with the pseudo SUV or crossovers in the Indian market? Hell, no. But it is a true blue SUV with all the creature comforts which punches way above it's weight with the more established SUV in the international market. In that aspect it is definitely VFM and I doubt if we'll see many Jimnys in the used market once the launch frenzy settles. The Thar is a different story though. Olx is full of used Thars within 3 years itself.

[PYSO]

Originally Posted by dhanushs

Damn this would be a good ad for the Throttle controller guys.. Install it in your 1.5 NA engine and run circles around 2.0 turbo petrols..

I think we need to give a heads up to those clueless people who have spent lacks on bolt on turbo kits thinking, you need more fuel, more air and more combustion for more power.. to install a throttle controller..

You ignore basic facts like Jimny has a higher power to weight ratio than Thar petrol. Once you fix the throttle response, then these basic facts start playing out.

And in case you are wondering - the Jimny with a 1.5 litre engine will also run circles around buses with 10 litre engines.

Originally Posted by jkrishnakj

The Jimmy can be a second car. It can be a third. It can surely be the Primary car too. It somehow has this ability to be either and still keep you happy.

The cars in my garage are a XL6, Ford Fiesta, VW Polo and a Jimny. My kids used to refuse to travel in the Polo rear seats, because they found it uncomfortable. They were ok with traveling in the Fiesta, but preferred to travel in XL6 which is a supremely comfortable car for passengers. But since buying the Jimny - the XL6 is almost entirely lying unused. My kids and wife and myself strongly prefer to go everywhere in the Jimny. Draw whatever conclusions you want about whether Jimny can be a primary car for a small family.

[dearchichi]

Originally Posted by shankar.balan

However if one adds this EVCX9 to the big turbo power as I have to my Thar Petrol, it is like adding Booster Juice to the throttle input. Beautifully smooth and linear power delivery.

If this unit has not been tested for its operation with vehicles by manufacturers, how reliant can we be on it? Wouldn't it be dangerous if one becomes too dependent on it in certain situations like overtaking? We don't know it's conditions for failure, behaviour while it fails etc. Isn't it too big a risk to use this active component?

[PYSO]

Originally Posted by dearchichi

If this unit has not been tested for its operation with vehicles by manufacturers, how reliant can we be on it? Wouldn't it be dangerous if one becomes too dependent on it in certain situations like overtaking? We don't know it's conditions for failure, behaviour while it fails etc. Isn't it too big a risk to use this active component?

Tens of thousands of cars have installed these across the world and hundreds of millions of kms have been driven using these. If serious issues were there, online forums would have been flooded with them. So far i have not seen any issues reported in various online forums on throttle controllers. Buy one from a reputed brand if you plan to get one.

Automotive / electronics engineers will understand that it's a simple variable potentiometer - extremely simple electronic circuit which is omnipresent in all kinds of electronic devices we see around. Billions of these have been manufactured reliably and used in daily use electronic devices across the world.

[dearchichi]

Originally Posted by PYSO

Tens of thousands of cars have installed these across the world and hundreds of millions of kms have been driven using these

Thanks for the response.

If this were the case, and the device relatively failsafe with immediate and desirable improvement in performance, why wouldn't they be available as an OEM option (either factory fitted or as an accessory) that could be enabled when needed?

Also, based on the circumstances of an accident, can insurance companies cite the involvement of this unit and deny claims (to first or third parties) irrespective of its contribution to the cause?

[dhanushs]

Originally Posted by PYSO

You ignore basic facts like Jimny has a higher power to weight ratio than Thar petrol. Once you fix the throttle response, then these basic facts start playing out.

And in case you are wondering - the Jimny with a 1.5 litre engine will also run circles around buses with 10 litre engines.

Well, rough calculations show ~86hp/tonne for the Jimny and the Thar. Assuming the Jimny is ~104bhp and 1200kgs and the Thar is ~150bhp and 1750kgs. Please let me know what is the fact I'm missing out.

Also, before taking this discussion any further, may I ask, have you driven a Thar Petrol? Taken it on the highway may be?

P.S - This is not a Thar vs Jimny. This is just me wondering how a pedal map can compensate for real fuel and air.

[PYSO]

Originally Posted by dearchichi

If this were the case, and the device relatively failsafe with immediate and desirable improvement in performance, why wouldn't they be available as an OEM option (either factory fitted or as an accessory) that could be enabled when needed?

OEMs are forced to dumb down the throttle response to meet emission norms. If OEMs start supplying Throttle Controllers as accessory - they will have major issues from regulators

Originally Posted by dhanushs

Well.. rough calculations show ~86hp/tonne for the Jimny and the Thar.. Assuming the Jimny is ~104bhp and 1200kgs and the Thar is ~150bhp and 1750kgs. Please let me know what is the fact I'm missing out.

Also, before taking this discussion any further, may i ask.. Have you driven a Thar Petrol? Taken it on the highway may be?

This is just me wondering how a pedal map can compensate for real fuel and air.

Ok. As per the numbers you have shared - Thar Petrol and Jimny have exactly the same power to weight ratio.

Yes, I have driven Thar Petrol AT - and I am not the least impressed. It bounces around, and starts feeling unstable above 80 kmph - both of these contribute to feeling that you are going very fast, when you are actually only going moderately fast.

Have you driven a Jimny with its throttle controller set to highest performance mode? Give it a try.

Any amount of fuel and air wont change the fact that the throttle response is dumbed down. Even if you increase the engine power and torque, the throttle response is still dumbed down - and that will change only by modifying the throttle response.

[dhanushs]

Originally Posted by PYSO

... It bounces around, and starts feeling unstable above 80 kmph - both of these contribute to feeling that you are going very fast, when you are actually only going moderately fast.

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I'm sorry, i'm trying to stay out of the discussion but cant help come back. And it's not about the engine power where a throttle controller has made the Jimny run circles around the Thar petrol.

But do you think the Jimny handles great above 80?

One thing I really liked about the Jimny was its absolutely wonderful ride. And I personally think Maruti has done a wonderful job catering perfectly to what the vehicle can deliver. Here I'm seeing things go above and beyond. Maybe I'm just not able to notice things as well.

Originally Posted by PYSO

OEMs are forced to dumb down the throttle response to meet emission norms. If OEMs start supplying Throttle Controllers as accessory - they will have major issues from regulators

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BTW, it's not only emissions. They are just a small part of why throttle response isn't "Sporty". Just think of it that OEMs sell the car to
1. Cater a large audience, not just sporty ones.
2. Reliability and longevity (think of at least 150,000kms)
3. Comfort and driveability
4. Adaptability to different terrain in different gearing
and many more.

[PYSO]

Originally Posted by dhanushs

.... but... do you think the Jimny handles great above 80?

Yes, it does. And at much higher speeds too. You should try it, and see how far it can go and still handle well - I have tried, so I know.

Throttle controller has various modes, including specialised modes for off-roading, slushy situations, etc. So it's not something that only makes the car more sporty or high performance. Much of this perception gap is because people haven't experienced it yet.

[Neil Roy]

Originally Posted by dhanushs

Well.. rough calculations show ~86hp/tonne for the Jimny and the Thar.. Assuming the Jimny is ~104bhp and 1200kgs and the Thar is ~150bhp and 1750kgs. Please let me know what is the fact I'm missing out.

Also, before taking this discussion any further, may i ask.. Have you driven a Thar Petrol? Taken it on the highway may be?

P.S - This is not a Thar vs Jimny.. This is just me wondering how a pedal map can compensate for real fuel and air.

You are 100% right on this one. It is not a Thar vs Jimny fight per se. When I first read about throttle controllers on this thread itself, I didnt give it much of a second thought. Once I bought the Jimny and took it for a highway drive, I realised it's biggest inadequacy.... Acceleration. My first goto was greddy bolt on turbo kit. The second thought process was supercharging. In both cases, the air intake was the basic key and with that thought flow, i explored the option of K&N Filters. I had used K&N in my cruze and say what you will, I find that power comes with a compromise of muck after the air filter. Hence, dropped both these options and looked elsewhere. A straight through exhaust pipe was the most easiest and cheapest to come to mind, but the poor city mileage made me shy away. Only at this point did I seriously explore the throttle controller. I was also an infidel non believer like you and thought that pressing the accelerator is just a mechanical thing. But, Desperate times called for desperate measures. After spending upwards of 17 lacs, I was looking like a proper jackass and willing to try anything to make the jimny go quicker. I did a lot of research (read obsessive, maniacal browsing) and thought that it was worth a shot. This is a decision that I dont regret.
Now that the emotional rants are out of the way, a throttle controller sends the electrical signal to the ECU quicker than the OE setup does. If, it was such an easy peasy job, why didn't the manufacturer do it himself, one might ask. I can only surmise that maybe they were operating on a very safe bandwidth or there were emission constraints and hence the manufacturer didn't want to fiddle too much. During my so called research, I found that these throttle controllers are a rage in Australia and South Africa where the Jimny sells very well. I also learnt that these things have been in the market for quite a while and I haven't read anything adverse about it anywhere. The way I see it, just like upgrading my halogen to LED bulbs, I'm upgrading the electrical system of acceleration. Both the bulbs may be 50 watts but the lumens differ. That's the closest analogy that I can think of. It is just a clip on device and doesn't foul or jeapordise the warranty. The only thing that you need is an open mind to try and explore this device..... or you can buy the Jimny and be forced to think out of the box.

We all know that if push comes to shove, the Thar will easily attain 150 KMPH and maintain that too, which a Jimny may not. Even in that instance I would blame the tranny more than the engine though. But, if it's a long distance drive, it's not just the engine that counts but also the handling and comfort . In that area the Jimny definitely trumps the Thar, hands down.
And BTW, Jimny is a hardcore off-roader which can reasonably do well on road. So, modifying air intake or a remap is not the way to go as it severely affects the reliability factor.(My personal opinion)

[ShivC]

Originally Posted by ShivC

I have installed Ultimate 9 EVCX. It really does what it is supposed to...the throttle lag in the Jimny has vanished ...before installing the EVCX while climbing some flyovers I sometimes wanted to jump off and push the Jimny up in pure frustration.

Now it feels like a proper responsive vehicle with EVCX delivering 8 Driving modes with 32 levels of adjustability and a responsive app where you can change modes on the fly - works well in IOS ....I think this is the first addition you should do in case you feel the Jimny lacks power.

As one someone who bough the first EVCX sold for a Jimny in India way back in July – I just would never want to roll back to the OEM setup. My daily drive is a 520D (just for prospective) and the throttle lag in the Jimny when I would initially take the wheel was just pure frustrating and annoying in comparison (one of the 3 major gripes I had with my sunshine smiles vehicle – more on this under)- “before installing the EVCX while climbing some flyovers I sometimes wanted to jump off and push the Jimny up in pure frustration” – is something straight from the heart. The pedal at low RPM’s has a mind of its own (I have the auto) and is like an errant child who’s mind is made up not to – if you know what I mean. The climbs in low rpm on inclines, the overtakes was just pure agony until EVCX was installed. Now it performs well in most situations – and for someone who is familiar with the driving modes in the EVCX– I use the Adapt Mode only on city and highway driving now.

Have friends in Australia who recommended this product after many years of using throttle controllers and I now realise why the throttle controller is on the high on the first mods list in Australia as well as in South Africa. Also doing about 80K in 3 years of ownership would not raise any eyebrows there – so the usage is high in most cases.

Bottom Line : I am really one happy customer of a sunshine vehicle which is spreading more joy now thanks to the EVCX

Originally Posted by ecosport rules

Sharing a friend's hilarious take on his Jimny.

"I recently embarked on an epic journey of automotive absurdity when I became the proud owner of a yellow Jimny 5-door.

Took delivery on June 21st with little idea on what I was buying. Prior to taking delivery (without as much as a test drive) much was spent test driving on Youtube and reading Jimny Forums. In fact being in the initial lot of deliveries – there as nothing called user feedback.

Did it meet my expectations - yes. Fell in love with the car from day one – but like all loves there are some quirks hard to ignore - Throttle lag (covered above), sound system and the suspension being the most major ones..

Originally Posted by ShivC

Yellow Jimny : Sound Audio Upgrade - "Living Life on the Sunny Side: A Yellow Jimny 5-Door Ownership Adventure - Part 2" (Part 1 written by me has been posted in thread #1388 by "Ecosport Rules" earlier).

You're cruising down the open road in your trusty little Jimny, and suddenly you realize that the universe is conspiring to make your driving experience epic. You decide it's time for an audio upgrade because, let's be honest, the stock speakers in the Jimny are about as exciting as watching paint dry.

This was another major gripe with the Jimny. Much as I would listen to other owners majority of who were happy with the OEM – something did not sound right…… After upgrading everything sounds right – and this without a visit to the ENT for an ear check up….. The sound is very good, no comparison with the OEM which is dull and drab. This upgrade made it vibrant and nice. A must do for all music lovers and ones that want to hear the boss right on a conference call....

Originally Posted by ShivC

What I was looking for : An aftermarket suspension for the Jimny to help improve its overall ride quality , handling & off-road performance.

Installed ToghDog as suspension upgrade was one of the mods high on my list with the Jimny. It now rides better – with no bottoming out on speed breakers and traveling on gravel roads is much more stable and smoother even at high speeds. High speed cornering is now confidence inspiring. The 40 mm lift makes it that much more capable as an off roader and the damping on rough roads is palpable. And this upgrade in the face of most Jimny owners and a few Thar owners telling me that the OEM Suspension was sterling.

And the vehicle is now no longer the diminutive Jimny – it’s a tougher taller Jimny. Does it ride like a dream ...well yes but a 4X4 dream....

Bottom line: the Jimmy is a vehicle that MSIL has given us for more smiles per mile. Whatever mods felt right necessary for me have been done and so it should be for other Jimny owners. This is a vehicle that can be driven stock or modded as per individual wants and tastes.

Any regrets in doing this and many other mods…emphatically NO.

Am I enjoying the Jimny more with the mods– absolutely YES.

The debate on throttle controller vs stock, suspension upgrade vs stock, speakers upgrade vs stock and many more will always be debatable and rightly so …but in the end it’s what you want out of the vehicle that matters most.

[Rahul Lal]

Till now I was quite satisfied with the engine performance after changing NGK spark plugs & switching to K&N air filter.
However after reading reviews of Neil Roy, Guru & Shankar Balan, I decided to further improve acceleration by adding throttle controller. Thanks.
So bought a evcX throttle controller. I found buying directly from the manufacturer - Ultimate9 Australia was cheaper than the special price offered by Tapasvi Racing. Price at checkout covered the shipping & custom duty. They were very quick in dispatching through DHL express. Hassle free delivery in 3-4 days.
Now after installing TC, the throttle pedal gives a soft & sponge feeling. Remarkable difference in acceleration. It’s just like driving a turbo engine. I found Adaptive mode to be the best for daily use.