[PrideRed]

Originally Posted by Jaggu

I am reiterating again if they want to see killer volumes to this vehicle 1) they need to change the pitch. Focus on hilly regions across the country, yuppy guppy market has already bought or moved on. 2) Deliver the vehicle at 10-11 Lakhs for manual model On the road price. And 12-13 Lakhs for automatic.

Give lifetime free service to the ones who have already paid or refund 2-3 lakhs lol....

I don't know how actually Jimny is doing in the market, but the Size/Road presence and performance didn't go very well with targeted audience. That said, Suzuki knew this wont bring them volumes hence the premium pricing. When 1.2L Baleno AMT is retailing close to 12L, it will be very difficult to sell body on frame 4x4, 1.5L Jimny at that price point.

[Neil Roy]

Truth of the matter is that Jimny really need not sell big numbers in India. The demand for Jimny in the international market is crazy and the prices are quite high too. 5 door Jimny will definitely sell in the export market and once this stock clearance is over, prices are going to return back to where they were. As Maruti themselves said, Jimny is a niche product which need not have buyers in India. Lucky are the ones who have bought them for a specific purpose and the rest..... I feel sorry for them. Even now, I reiterate that in terms of comfort, utility and performance, the Jimny trumps the Thar hands down. But in our market size, engine power and macho looking is the name of the game in this segment. If we really have to compare the Thar with the Jimny, it has to be the petrol variant. In all honesty, the petrol Thar is more Jumpy, handles like a nightmare and has abysmal mileage. Yet the petrol 4WDAT variant is positioned at least a couple of lacs higher than the Zeta AT of the Jimny. Apples to apples comparison, the pricing is not that bad but the Thar has got market acceptance but Jimny is rejected. That's why I keep saying that the Indian market is a very different kettle. Jimny will become like gypsy and have a cult following but the last time I checked, the gypsy didn't set the sales charts on fire either.

[Sidjohri]

Originally Posted by RijuC

Jimny is the most unreliable vehicle from MSIL. And MSIL didn't do enough R&D, Testing, Validation etc. for the 5 door Jimny. The initial niggles reported and a more serious problem of brakes issue beyond treeline which is still unresolved (the problems were posted by Team-Bhpians but no specific analysis, findings or resolution were reported by them. No recall from MSIL so far) indicate that we may face serious issues on a later date. Add deteriorating QA/QC of MSIL at manufacturing stage, and service, maintenance quality. None of the service centres have a single set of Jimny spares available with them (not even the basic spares kit).

Hence, I would suggest to opt for the extended warranty to the maximum possible tenure and mileage.

I feel that it may be a tad hasty to jump to any conclusion regarding the Jimny's reliability and (lack of) processes leading to it. I'm not sure if there are any concrete facts that indicate lapses on MSIL's part for hurriedly and prematurely launching the product. The 'brake' incident seems to be isolated, which ideally should not be generalised. I, along with a couple of other Jimny owners, so far have not faced even the slightest issue with braking. But product shortcomings (lack of certain features, pricing etc.) are pain points that require certain level of pondering. If I'm not not wrong I believe that the Jimny went through prolonged development and testing phases at the cost of us enthusiasts' patience (rumours regarding the Jim's Indian debut had started as early as early 2021).

[Amrit@wheels]

Originally Posted by DCEite

Nexa is showcasing the Maruti Jimny at various shopping malls recently. Given the dwindling interest and general demand for the vehicle, discounts are high on offer.

I had a chance to step inside the Jimny and for my height of 5,11, the footwell felt cramped even compared to Maruti's own Ignis.

Don't get me wrong, but this is not a family vehicle or a primary vehicle.

The only use case that I can see of this vehicle is the Army (need a 4x4 yet agile and light vehicle) and as an alternative to 4x4 That until the Thar 5 door is out.

Nail on the coffin is the lame engine and gearbox and lack of features, the discounts were coming.

Having driven both Ignis and Jimny for long enough, there's something not right here. Jimny definitely has more legroom than Ignis. Also, I am yet to come across one review that recommends it as a family or primary vehicle. It can be a wonderful second vehicle if you have a decent primary car (subjective). The engine is fine for the intended purpose. If you're expecting a tarmac-burning drivetrain in a pure 4x4 off-roader, you're in the wrong place here. Don't judge a fish by it's ability to climb trees.

[RijuC]

Originally Posted by Turbolove

Hey, a few questions regarding your ownership.
1. I'm the same height as you, how is the under thigh and lumbar support over long periods for you ?

2. What was the highway mileage you got and how did the car perform while driving up the hills ?

1. Under thigh support is just adequate. Didn't feel any discomfort on tarmac for longer time 500-600 km, 8-10 hours drive time, with breaks). Lumbar support is less. I am using a soft, small cushion.

We didn't have any 2nd row passenger. Hence can't comment on that aspect for longer runs.

The high sitting position compared to my earlier hatchback ensured less stress. In low slung Swift, I had to always be extra careful about potholes and craters.

2. I got approx 15 kmpl tank to tank for the entire stretch. For non-stop highway runs I got a maximum of 18.2 kampl, with AC ON and Auto Start/ Stop feature Off for my Alpha AT. If you refer to my earlier posts in this thread, I have posted the detailed stats along with ICE screen photographs.

80-90 kmph constant speed on highway gives you the best FE.

[Kosfactor]

Originally Posted by Neil Roy

Seriously? A product which was hyped to have more bookings after price launch offering discounts within months is normal?.

Without Maruti there is no Suzuki, the 4 door variant`s arrival is the sign that without this market - Jimny may not make sense to produce. So all that international market demand etc - you need to take that with a bucket of salt.

Originally Posted by Neil Roy

Even now, I reiterate that in terms of comfort, utility and performance, the Jimny trumps the Thar hands down. But in our market size, engine power and macho looking is the name of the game in this segment. If we really have to compare the Thar with the Jimny, it has to be the petrol variant. In all honesty, the petrol Thar is more Jumpy, handles like a nightmare and has abysmal mileage. .

From a utility perspective, Jimny can be a good one car garage 4x4 vehicle - but the problem is as soon as you learn to drive well, there is nothing in it to keep you going. Thar on the other hand will run rings around not just Jimny but many other cars below above its price point with its performance. Its truly a high speed Jeep that can carry its speed very well because of its mechanical as well as electronic bits - try it and you`ll be amazed how good it is well above speed limit.

[jkrishnakj]

I’m at 6200 km. 2 services done. I can’t add much beyond what others have written. Clearly from a users perspective, I’m enjoying the Jimny much more than the other cars in the garage. I have gone on drives in excess of 400 km one way and I’ve never had a back issue or a thigh pain or knee ache. And no, my passengers shoulders didn’t rub my shoulders even once. I’ve never felt cramped inside.

I have taken my Jimny on some really tough off road trails. It’s running stock. No changes done to anything. Haven’t felt the need yet.

I am so used to it that I don’t even feel the lag. I have perhaps become a ‘pro’ at using the over drive ‘off’ button when I need to for over takes on the highway. It does need a getting used to for sure.

I’ve done spirited drives, off roads, sedate drives and long distances. I’ve managed to even extract 16.8 mileage once on a 110 km drive on the Mysore eway. The MID now shows 11.8 as an average since my purchase.

Inside the city, the missus enjoys it. The drives and parking is easy for her. What she doesn’t enjoy is the attention and questions that keep coming from many on the road about its cost and what’s this car and what’s the mileage etc etc.

When I owned the Thar, not once did she want to take it off road. But with this, she somehow fancies going off. Both being beginners to off-roads, we enjoy the comforts and the ease at which it crosses obstacles.

Suspension and ride comfort, to my mind is excellent as well.

I for one feel that a Thar comparison isn’t a right one. Buyers perceive values of either of the cars differently.

The Jimmy can be a second car. It can be a third. It can surely be the Primary car too. It somehow has this ability to be either and still keep you happy.

Does the discounts make me sad - hell yes. What do I do to get rid of that feel - easy, just pick the Jimny keys and head out. I absolutely enjoy it and I already feel that it’s a ‘keeper’ and it’s going to be with me for ever.

[pheru8b]

The Jimny: my thoughts on making a good car, into a great one!

After 4,400 km on my Jimny AT Alpha across 3 months, I must say that I still take every excuse to take it out for a spin. It makes me smile. A lot. And I've never enjoyed any car as much as my Jimny!

After reading the complaints people have mentioned on this thread, and I personally do agree with some of them, I feel that most of them are not really major, and on driving the car, would not honestly matter much in terms of the overall package the Jimny offers. It is a good, good car!

But if I were somehow put in charge of the Jimny by Maruti, and were given a free hand to imagine all the changes that would make this good car great, this is what I would do:

1. Add another gear or two to the AT to improve fuel efficiency. Or perhaps add a "city" drive mode which reduces fuel consumption in traffic. My Jimny gives around 15 on the highway, but just 7 to 9 kmpl in the city with the ac on. That needs to be corrected.

2. While the brakes do their job, they just don't seem to have adequate bite. Spongy would best describe their performance. Would be good to have sharper brakes a-la Hyundai or Toyota. And oh yes, yellow disk brake calipers to set off the bluish-black Jimny would go a long way in terms of adding some major MOJO!

3. For a top-end model, the Jimny does miss out on some creature comforts that are expected of our times viz, wireless charging, connected car features, ambient lighting, auto dimming rear view mirror and a tyre pressure monitoring system. These would've been nice to round off the package!

4. For the entry level, rather than giving a discount (shudder!), I would add a new 2-wheel drive variant, meant for cities. The car is a dream to drive around crowded cities, and many people would like to use it accordingly, but baulk at the price!

5. I would improve the turning radius, at least at lower speeds. I understand tall cars can't have a tight turning radius, but there are ways around that.

6. For the little off roading that I did, I would have loved to see a compass, a front-back and left-right level indicator, and a forward camera. Useful items, all these. But more than useful, very very cool! Like the Thar which has some of these, they make a statement!

7. Finally, change the voice and tone of the "aunty" who welcomes you every time you start the car. I know she can be shut off, but she does sound rather like my old school principal on occasions where I was sent to visit her for not keeping to the expected norms of behaviour. Would be good to get the welcome message in the voice of Megan Fox, or perhaps Shakira. Or Akshay Kumar.

That's it. Seven ideas from my side that could make the Jimny stand out further from the crowd, gallop ahead on the x factor, and become truly great! Shes a wonderful car already, but so much more is possible!

[SnakemanJohny]

Originally Posted by shankar.balan

Maybe you ..... and let me go buy a new Jimny once the price cuts kick in more firmly. Say by Jan of 2024.

Me too waiting for similar reasons, plus want to check out the 5 door THAR, though that may not be feasible as the petrol model will be a 'gas guzzler'. and diesel is ruled out for DEF and DPF issues with the limited driving I shall be doing.

Though I curse the Gypsy every moment I drive it, I will be sad to let it go !

Meanwhile going through all reviews & opinions on the Jimny you guys are putting out. Thanks.

[ringoism]

Originally Posted by Mystic

Japanese cars are small and efficient in size with almost zero niggles. Once you experience a Japanese car, one never goes to buy any other car.

1. Obviously not all Japanese cars are small and efficient in size (Fortuner?), but whatever... Yes, Jimmy designers may have been aiming at a little TOO much of that kind of efficiency (see point 5).

2. After having personally owned nine (iirc) Japanese cars and repaired/ maintained a few others (all more or less with their respective niggles and occasionally much worse), I not only subsequently went non-Jap but have actually been happy with our two vehicles in the Mahindra 4x4 realm these past dozen-odd years. On average the statistics don't lie and I may own Japanese again - but better not to paint with too broad of strokes.

3. There may be fewer issues of low sales for Jimmy in places where the use case and demographic fits: Namely, among people of means in rather cramped hill towns with bad road conditions, (maybe) snow, some off-road opportunities, limited local support for lesser brands, and rarely any desire to drive over 70-80kmph max. Absolutely selling in droves up here.

4. Having said all this, yes, personally I feel the car has been overpriced, and moreover,

5. (my apologies) I personally feel it is one of the less aesthetically tolerable current vehicles out there. I'm a pre-owned car buyer ONLY. If an overpriced / underappreciated model flops, it's generally good for me a few years down the road - but only if I'd actually want to own one! In Jimny's case, even with bigger aftermarket rubber, the whole thing just looks badly proportioned from almost every angle. Trying to make the passenger compartment big enough for multiple adults in an overall compact package ended up making the hood and luggage portions look puny in comparison. And the roof has just been squashed down too low. Even wifey says so. I don't care if this helps the practicality / CoG, it's just ugly to me. I had really hoped Jimmy looks would grow on me in time, but after daily seeing probably a dozen or more driving / parked for a couple months now, I just don't think it's going to happen. I told someone recently that I just wouldn't want to have to look at one in my driveway every day - and I meant it. Fortunately as I cannot afford one, there is no danger of this happening anytime soon.

6. Friend and neighbor here whose family owns one cited braking issues when running at higher altitudes (Ladakh), which oddly I recall an XUV700 thread also related some time back. Am not sure what this is all about but he claims it's collaborated. Also owns a Gypsy and is hill born and bred, so this has nothing to do with driving technique. If it's a certifiable issue I'm sure it will be resolved by capable engineers, but still... Doesn't suggest all out Japanese perfection.

7. None of this means it isn't a good, capable, reliable, overall sorted package that is justifiably appealing for a certain kind of person/ people who for whatever reason also do not see the basic shape as being a bit off, or else don't care.

-Eric

[ringoism]

Originally Posted by pheru8b

I would improve the turning radius, at least at lower speeds. I understand tall cars can't have a tight turning radius, but there are ways around that.

Eh... turning radius doesn't vary with speed, and vehicle height or lack thereof is not the reason for this car's broader sweep. Just for whomever's information.

[PYSO]

Originally Posted by Neil Roy

If we really have to compare the Thar with the Jimny, it has to be the petrol variant.

Apples to apples comparison, the pricing is not that bad but the Thar has got market acceptance but Jimny is rejected.

More than 85% of Thar sales is diesel.

If we compared only petrol sales - then Jimny is outselling Thar by 4 to 5 times.

If Jimny had a diesel model too - then it would have completely demolished Thar sales.

Fuel efficiency is a big issue for Indian car buyers. Period. A petrol off-roader is not really an economical car to drive daily.

Originally Posted by Kosfactor

Thar on the other hand will run rings around not just Jimny but many other cars below above its price point with its performance.

Jimny has a higher power to weight ratio than Thar. But it's let down by its laggy throttle response, most likely set like that by Suzuki to meet European/Australian emission norms.

Install a Throttle Controller in the Jimny, and it will run circles around the Thar.

Most of the people commenting here haven't experienced the Jimny. Experience it, and you will figure out that most of your initial biases are totally wrong;-)

Almost every Thar owner in my circle has already bought a Jimny or is considering buying one - the change of heart happened after they experienced the Jimny.

[dhanushs]

Originally Posted by PYSO

...

Install a Throttle Controller in the Jimny, and it will run circles around the Thar.

..

Damn this would be a good ad for the Throttle controller guys. Install it in your 1.5 NA engine and run circles around 2.0 turbo petrols.

I think we need to give a heads up to those clueless people who have spent lacks on bolt on turbo kits thinking, you need more fuel, more air and more combustion for more power to install a throttle controller.

[Kosfactor]

Originally Posted by PYSO

Install a Throttle Controller in the Jimny, and it will run circles around the Thar.

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I don't want to be a spoilsport but - we as TeamBHPians should know better than fitting untested aftermarket gimmicks onto a vehicles A pedal.

Imagine if that unit overheats in our weather conditions and sends a wide open throttle signal?

This applies to not just Jimny but to any vehicle one would add such a device, please remove it and drive safe.

[shankar.balan]

Originally Posted by dhanushs

Damn this would be a good ad for the Throttle controller guys.. Install it in your 1.5 NA engine and run circles around 2.0 turbo petrols..

I think we need to give a heads up to those clueless people who have spent lacks on bolt on turbo kits thinking, you need more fuel, more air and more combustion for more power.. to install a throttle controller..

Gsferrari (guru) discovered this for his Jimny and wrote about it on this very thread a few pages ago.

I went and met the importer/ supplier Tapasvi Racing, in Bangalore. And bought these and fixed them on my Thar and my Cooper. 6th Mile Customs is a renowned shop here and they did the fixing.

And basis my experience it works very well indeed. Removes the lag and makes the throttle much more responsive than before. Irons out the typical flat spot which causes the momentary delay between one’s ‘throttle stomp’ and the reaction of the vehicle to that ‘stomp’.

I created an info thread on this if you want to read that. Here are a couple of pictures.

In reference to Kosfactor’s surmise about the possibility of this malfunctioning, I would consider the odds on that being around the same as the ECU or Fuel Pump or Ignition Coils or Brake Boosters also malfunctioning.