[bobbyblr]

Originally Posted by Prabh

Let me know what is the performance improvement or degradation after applying this filter.

Last weekend I was able to check the AC in the afternoon with traffic and full passenger load. The AC performance was the same before and after the cabin filter change.

Originally Posted by gt3t0uring

Fronx vis-à-vis Ignis
Powertrain Fronx is equipped with the new K12N engine with dual jet tech while the Ignis is powered by the older K12M engine. Ignis is by far the better performing car, it’s more responsive and feels effortless in acceleration.

Build, fit and finish: This is also where Fronx leads but only by a small margin. It’s got better plastics (on the door, dash), rolling the window doesn’t cause door card to flex. Fronx doors and bonnet are heavier than those of Ignis.

After I test drove the Fronx 1.2L MT Delta+, I also checked the interior of Ignis. I found the quality of the plastic material in Ignis to be inferior when compared to my 2009 Alto and Fronx.

I think the Fronx 1.2L engine is tuned for BS6.2 with better mileage. Someone who have tested Fronx 1.2L MT Delta+ with a Throttle controller can comment.

What I found annoying from day one is the Hill Hold assist from the ESP kicking in when the car in the incline (upward slope). With some passenger load with incline road in the MT, the engine gets switched off with the same clutch and accelerator level in 1st gear, I have to raise the accelerator further more in order not to switch off the engine. Last weekend I tried switching off the ESP and did not have any issue. May be the Hill Hold assist is good for AT only. May be we need some option to switch off certain features of the ESP.

The ESP in Fronx has the following systems:
Anti-lock Brake System (ABS)
Brake Assist System
Traction Control System
Stability Control System

[Nathan.drake9]

Hi Guys,

I am taking delivery of Fronx Deta+ AGS on Thursday and planning to get the following accessories installed from the dealership itself.

1. Connected LED Tail light (~8k)
2. Seat covers (~9k)
3. Mud guards/matts (-5k)
4. Diamond cut alloys (~37k) (will sell off the default alloys, PS: in case anyone is interested in them, do let me know)

Need suggestion from you guys on Reverse Parking camera (6.5k) is it worth spending and getting panels across the car opened up to get it installed. For context i have only driven suzuki dzire till now which is without the camera, and till now i have seldom felt the need of it.

Also, please let me know your thoughts if i should get anything extra installed or avoid any of the things i have enlisted above.

Will appreciate it.

Thanks.

[bobbyblr]

Originally Posted by Nathan.drake9

Need suggestion from you guys on Reverse Parking camera (6.5k) is it worth spending and getting panels across the car opened up to get it installed. For context i have only driven suzuki dzire till now which is without the camera, and till now i have seldom felt the need of it.

I think it's better to get the reverse parking camera installed from the dealer itself. Reverse parking camera is really useful. Get the OEM type rear camera that will be fixed on top of the rear number plate (Part number is 990J0M74T09-010). Don't get the one that will be installed on the rear bumper.

I think the panels will be opened as I saw a seperate wiring harness coming before the A/C cabin filter cover in my Fronx.

I don't know why Maruti Suzuki did not give the rear camera for Delta+

[Nathan.drake9]

Originally Posted by bobbyblr

I think it's better to get the reverse parking camera installed from the dealer itself. Reverse parking camera is really useful. Get the OEM type rear camera that will be fixed on top of the rear number plate (Part number is 990J0M74T09-010). Don't get the one that will be installed on the rear bumper.

I think the panels will be opened as I saw a seperate wiring harness coming before the A/C cabin filter cover in my Fronx.

I don't know why Maruti Suzuki did not give the rear camera for Delta+

Gave in to the perseverance shown by the Accessories guys at Nexa, and agreed to get the reverse camera installed.

Got the PDI done today by Zekardo, took hardly 30-40 minutes. Good experience overall.

Also got to know that the additional Cash Discount being given by Maruti is only applicable if you purchase Insurance from them. And now i am forced to do that.

Can anyone confirm? I am getting it for 25k outside(a relative of mine is in this business) with all add ons, whereas maruti is offering 29k.

[BoneCollector]

Maruti planning to wind up the turbo variant? Or is it just another "sticker job edition"?

[shibujp]

Among some of the mysteries of life is the inability of Maruti to sell the BoosterJet engine variants in decent numbers. I owned this engine in the form of a Baleno RS for over a lakh kilometres and there I can understand that it's suspension tuning did it no favours but still the engine itself was worth it given it's flexibility and responsiveness.

Got a chance to test drive the Fronx BoosterJet AT a week back for a relative of mine. Having sold my RS almost a year back, I was at home the instant I pressed the accelerator. It took off without a hint of lag. The throaty rasp that I loved in the RS was still there and what especially stood out was the gearbox in traffic..no hunting for ratios and super smooth as self respecting torque converter ATs should be. The paddle shift were great too and shifted up and down on demand as needed. But frankly the gearbox in regular drive mode was so well tuned that I hardly felt the need to use the paddles.

Press the accelerator and the mid range eagerness that I had in my manual RS was still there...if Maruti has tuned this engine for more mileage it hasn't affected the character much. I also put it into manual mode and loved the fact that it held onto the gear till you changed gears.

One great thing that Maruti has improved over the RS is the suspension tune. Even though it is suspended higher up than the RS the suspension was just great not feeling too soft given the power of the engine which was one of the drawbacks of the RS. If it hadn't been for the Jimny this could have been the RS replacement.



Drive on,
Shibu

[ToThePoint]

Originally Posted by BoneCollector

Maruti planning to wind up the turbo variant? Or is it just another "sticker job edition"?

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Quite the opposite infact. They planning to introduce boosterjet in more variants.

https://www.autocarindia.com/car-new...line-up-430474

[shibujp]

Originally Posted by ToThePoint

Quite the opposite infact. They planning to introduce boosterjet in more variants.

https://www.autocarindia.com/car-new...line-up-430474

It should ideally be in more models to become a mainstream engine. Some models I see it fitting well is in the Grand Vitara, the Ciaz and the Brezza.

Drive on,
Shibu

[motormouth85]

Hi All, glad to join the Team-Bhp community. I have been a lurker for more than a decade following the forum.

I have been an owner of a Fronx Turbo variant for almost a year. I have covered roughly 4000 kilometers in that span.

I am happy with the car's performance- love the engine, ride quality and handling. One thing that bothers me about the handling, however, is the Steering. At speeds between 10-60 km/hr, the steering is reasonably direct and a joy to use.

At speeds above 80km/hr on the highways, the steering behaves in a very weird way. It gets pretty stiff and also a bit sticky. If I have to make minor lane changes, steering feels stuck in its place and I have to put more force to make that lane change. The way the car behaves due to that feels a bit jerky. When I googled about this behaviour, I saw that Honda Civic from 2022 in the USA market had a recall for the same reason. BMW Z4 from previous generations used to have this issue of Jerky/ Sticky steering after being driven continuously for more than an hour.

This weird steering does rob the driving pleasure out of it and plays spoilsport with what is otherwise a great package with excellent engine, ride, decent handling.

I wonder if anybody else has encountered this in their Fronx. Is it a one-off issue with my car or is it typical of Fronx steering. None of the reviews on youtube/ print media has highlighted this.

I have changed the stock alloys to R16 Momo Revenge and upsized the tires to Yokohama Earth 205/60 in case that's relevant.

I feel if I go to the service center, they might just dismiss it. I will still try my luck.

[inner_roadster]

Originally Posted by motormouth85

At speeds above 80km/hr on the highways, the steering behaves in a very weird way. It gets pretty stiff and also a bit sticky. If I have to make minor lane changes, steering feels stuck in its place and I have to put more force to make that lane change. The way the car behaves due to that feels a bit jerky. When I googled about this behaviour, I saw that Honda Civic from 2022 in the USA market had a recall for the same reason. BMW Z4 from previous generations used to have this issue of Jerky/ Sticky steering after being driven continuously for more than an hour.

Generally, at high speeds, the steering is purposefully adjusted to become slightly harder or heavier. This change is intended to improve the car's stability and give the driver more control.

However, if you feel the steering becoming erratically stiff at higher speeds, please see a service center. The most common cause of a stiff steering wheel is insufficient power steering fluid in the system. This issue may occur if there is fluid leaking from the pressurized hose area.



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[Gupts007]

Originally Posted by motormouth85

At speeds above 80km/hr on the highways, the steering behaves in a very weird way. It gets pretty stiff and also a bit sticky. If I have to make minor lane changes, steering feels stuck in its place and I have to put more force to make that lane change. The way the car behaves due to that feels a bit jerky.

I have changed the stock alloys to R16 Momo Revenge and upsized the tires to Yokohama Earth 205/60 in case that's relevant.

I feel if I go to the service center, they might just dismiss it. I will still try my luck.

In the previous generation Baleno, the sticky steering problem was existent because of a faulty steering rack & Maruti recalled and replaced those. Having said that, all Maruti's have this problem to some extent where the steering does not return on it's own after the turn is complete. Your problem sounds like a one off problem and you are very right in assuming that the MASS will dismiss it as nothing. Then they might even blame the upsizing and/or the after market alloys. You are better off trying if the problem persists on original alloys/rims and tyres. That will definitely give you a clearer picture.

[DicKy]

Originally Posted by motormouth85

One thing that bothers me about the handling, however, is the Steering. At speeds between 10-60 km/hr, the steering is reasonably direct and a joy to use.

At speeds above 80km/hr on the highways, the steering behaves in a very weird way. It gets pretty stiff and also a bit sticky. If I have to make minor lane changes, steering feels stuck in its place and I have to put more force to make that lane change. The way the car behaves due to that feels a bit jerky.

Do check it with the service centre and don't take a 'no problem saar' from them. Force them to look it up. Would be something to do with the steering rack and pinion set.

We had the same issue with our F10D WagonR but at all speeds. The steering loses that fluid motion and we really feel like we are steering in a video game. The steering gets sticky and slight movements end up feeling jerky. After taking it up with the service centre guys, they did something and steering was normal for a few years. Again the problem persisted and the service centre guys had no clue this time. We stopped bothering as by that time we were using it as a local runabout and not on highways. But it was a real annoyance.

[motormouth85]

Originally Posted by Gupts007

In the previous generation Baleno, the sticky steering problem was existent because of a faulty steering rack & Maruti recalled and replaced those. Having said that, all Maruti's have this problem to some extent where the steering does not return on it's own after the turn is complete. Your problem sounds like a one off problem and you are very right in assuming that the MASS will dismiss it as nothing. Then they might even blame the upsizing and/or the after market alloys. You are better off trying if the problem persists on original alloys/rims and tyres. That will definitely give you a clearer picture.

The return-to-center action works fine in my car. The sticky/ jerky steering happens only at higher speeds. For a while, I thought there might be something wrong with my driving style. But my friend also felt the same even though I never told him what I was experiencing.

I sold off my stock tyres/ alloys.

Honestly, I even considered selling off my Fronx because of this behaviour. But the quotes I got from Spinny/ Cars24, I shelved any thoughts of it. Most of these companies gave a valuation of 9.2-9.3 for a car that I bought for 12.8L in July 2023/ 4000 kms. I decided to just focus on getting this issue fixed for now instead of selling the car.

[Reacher]

This goes to all the Fronx 1L turbo owners out there.

I have a Fronx tubro petrol for around 7 months now, bought this in September 2023. Really happy with the car, although there "seems" to be one issue (or at least that is what I would feel). I have made around 3 trips, Bangalore-Cochin over these 7 months. Now the last trip which was in May this month which as you know was extremely hot, I faced a certain issue with the hybrid power assist. During extreme heat (passing Coimbatore at around 12 p.m.) the hybrid assist during accelaration shuts down. The regen works without any issue, but accelaration asist is not there, no matter how hard you press the accelarator. This started at the last quarter of our journey and did not rectify itself. The next day morning however things were back to normal. I took it to the Nexa guys in Cochin, they ran diagnostics, but could not find any fault (frankly they also did not have a clue as things were working flawless when i took it to them). The same issue happened again on the way back, and the next day it was fine.

Now friends, do I escalate this to Maruti? Frankly it looks like hybrid assist was designed to shut down in extreme heat, but then I feel the threshold is too low for India at least. Did any of the other Fronx Hybrid owners here have the same issue? Any response would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks a lot

[Nathan.drake9]

Hi All,

Need your inputs here. Its been 3 months since my purchase of Fronx, have driven it around 2000 km.

A few things which I have noticed:

1. If I drive the car after 2-3 days the brakes make weird sounds and does not behave appropriately, it takes them some time to get back to normal.

2. At low RPM I hear a lowkey whirring sound.

I raised the same issues during the first service but the Nexa guys said nothing is wrong. Planning to take it back to the service center soon. Could anyone share their thoughts on what could be the issue?