[bobbyblr]

Originally Posted by Prabh

anyone got their deliveries of your Fronx as yet. Any initial ownership feedback of the Turboboost engine - MT/AT ....

And, has anyone noticed AC performance degrade in stop & go traffic?

Hi Prabh,

I think this thread is the most silent of them all in the Team-Bhp forum.
I myself posted few questions last week but no one responded.

Finally today I changed my booking from Jimny Alpha MT to Fronx Delta+ 1.2L MT.

Coming to your question on the AC performance in 1.0L Turbo Boosterjet engine, it should be similar to the Baleno RS. Only difference from the Baleno RS to Fronx Turbo Boosterjet engine is the ISS (Idle Start Stop) and Mild Hybrid. One can switch off the ISS after starting the engine by pressing the ENG A-STOP OFF switch.

I got the following details from the Owners Manual of Fronx:

IS A/C
(ENG A-STOP system setting)
(if equipped)
• When using the automatic heating and air conditioning system (if equipped), you can select one of the following engine auto stop settings.
– Standard
– Economy
– Comfort
• When “Economy” is selected, engine auto stop condition is eased, compared with “Standard”. As engine auto stop condition will occur more frequently, the stop time will be longer, leading to reduction of fuel consumption.
• When “Comfort” is selected, engine auto stop condition becomes severe, compared with “Standard”. As engine auto stop condition will occur less frequently, the stop time will be shorter, leading to more comfortable cabin condition by air conditioner.

Hope this helps.

[Prabh]

Originally Posted by bobbyblr

Hi Prabh,

I think this thread is the most silent of them all in the Team-Bhp forum.
I myself posted few questions last week but no one responded.

I got the following details from the Owners Manual of Fronx:
Hope this helps.

Thanks Bobby. I booked the Alpha MT; hopefully should get it end of the month. Currently lot of attention on the Honda Elevate thread

Whatever, I remember from my visit. I think the spare wheel is same as the other 4. There are plenty videos on YT on people modified their cars with after market audio systems and from them it seems - there is provision for tweeters; but there isn't any active wiring. Have a look at this one -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwNtbHEG1mI

Cheers
Prabh

[bobbyblr]

Originally Posted by Prabh

Whatever, I remember from my visit. I think the spare wheel is same as the other 4. There are plenty videos on YT on people modified their cars with after market audio systems and from them it seems - there is provision for tweeters; but there isn't any active wiring. Have a look at this one - https://www.Youtube.com/watch?v=XwNtbHEG1mI

Hi Prabh,

Thanks for the video on after market speaker & tweeters for Fronx. I will not be changing the stock speakers. I may need tweeters which is there in the Alpha variant. For this the front door small inner garnish needs to be changed. If the stock speaker system is ok for my requirement then I will skip the tweeter installation.

Regarding the spare tyre, I checked some part details on Oriparts.com website and found that the Main Alloy wheels size is 16 x 6 J and the Spare wheel size is 15 x 15 1/2 J. But the Tyre size for both main & spare is 195/60 R16. So the spare wheel is 1" less in diameter and 0.5" less in thickness and I don't know how the same tyre will sit on both sizes of the rims / wheels ?

My other main requirement is the luggage lamp in the boot which is not provided in the Delta+ variant. I have already ordered & received this lamp with a mating connector. So some tapping of the wire is required. I have done a similar wire tapping in my Alto for the boot lamp using a LED cabin light Super 2840 LED Cabin Light (12V) - White from Amazon.
https://amzn.eu/d/6lGmflX

[PaddleShifter]

Originally Posted by bobbyblr

I have a few doubts on Fronx Delta+ 1.2L MT/AMT variant:

1. What is the size of the spare wheel / tyre ? Is it smaller or same as the other 4 main wheels / tyres (both diameter and width) ?
2. Wiring provision for the Tweeters (with mating connectors) in the front doors?

Originally Posted by Prabh

And, has anyone noticed AC performance degrade in stop & go traffic?

Originally Posted by bobbyblr

I think this thread is the most silent of them all in the Team-Bhp forum.
I myself posted few questions last week but no one responded. I got the following details from the Owners Manual of Fronx:
Hope this helps.

Originally Posted by bobbyblr

Regarding the spare tyre, I checked some part details on Oriparts.com website and found that the Main Alloy wheels size is 16 x 6 J and the Spare wheel size is 15 x 15 1/2 J. But the Tyre size for both main & spare is 195/60 R16. So the spare wheel is 1" less in diameter and 0.5" less in thickness and I don't know how the same tyre will sit on both sizes of the rims / wheels?

Posting my replies to multiple quoted posts above:

1. Spare tyre size: In Maruti Suzuki Fronx, spare tyre is 195/60R16 in all variants. The spare tyre is a steel rim of 16 inch size, same (size) as the rest of the tyres.

2. Regarding tweeter wiring: While I cant comment on the wiring, I can assure you that the stock tweeter is a customary installation to increase the speaker count in higher variants. The high pass filter is a joke. I am saying this on the basis of S-Cross experience. My honest recommendation is to either stick with the stock speakers (and avoid opening ip the door pads) or add aftermarket speakers with a proper crossover, tweeter and a bit of damping in one single attempt as repeated opening and reinstallation of the door pad can cause rattles in the long run.

3. AC performance during stop go traffic: Once the engine is shut down by the auto start system, the AC vents are just blowing air via the blower as AC condenser is turned off when the engine is not running. In addition to the owners manual screenshot posted above, I would like to add that if the cabin is too hot then the engine restarts sooner than the default 180 seconds shut off time. How sooner will it restart in such condition (cabin temperature is quite high from the set temperature) depends upon the setting viz. standard, economy and comfort.

[bobbyblr]

Originally Posted by PaddleShifter

Posting my replies to multiple quoted posts above:

2. Regarding tweeter wiring: While I cant comment on the wiring, I can assure you that the stock tweeter is a customary installation to increase the speaker count in higher variants. The high pass filter is a joke. I am saying this on the basis of S-Cross experience. My honest recommendation is to either stick with the stock speakers (and avoid opening ip the door pads) or add aftermarket speakers with a proper crossover, tweeter and a bit of damping in one single attempt as repeated opening and reinstallation of the door pad can cause rattles in the long run.

I agree with you on the tweeter performance of the Maruti Suzuki part. I purchased a few of them thinking of installing on my Alto A-Pillar inner plastic garnish. These tweeters are not able to reproduce the output power properly when compared with any of the tweeters that is on the coaxial speakers.

[vvs29]

Completed 1100kms in Fronx Turbo Alpha AT. I have mentioned by selection criteria and test drive experience on Page 22, post #317 (Maruti Fronx Review). To summarize, I'm 6ft 4in tall, looking for a car that can be small enough to replace our AStar and be powerful enough to also replace our 4th Gen City CVT. It seemed to fulfill both purposes. We liked the noise insulation, ride quality, highway manners and performance.

About the purchase experience, we purchased it from ABT Nexa Guindy. The delivery ETA was quoted to be 45 days. Ended up getting it in 30 and this was after a week delay in connecting the car from Bangalore to Chennai. I requested for a PDI in their yard before releasing the loan disbursement. They agreed to it, but asked me to hand over the A star when the allotted car was shipped from the factory. I was able to select the insurance I wanted and their default option was good enough. I also had informed then at booking time that I wanted only select accessories and not the entire list. They mentioned I needed to pay the amount for the max insurance quote and accessories during payment, but I will be refunded based on what options I select. Though it took ~20 days after the delivery, I did get the expected refund.

I had selected, door visor, 3D floor mats and mud flaps from the accessories. The 3D floor mats came a week after delivery. At delivery time, I had also asked for the grey with red accent rear underbody spoiler. They said they'll get me one but they couldn't get the stock. I'll try to source it from the official accessories page by Suzuki. The silver one doesn't really sit well with the rest of the back/car for us. The telematics system, Suzuki Connect, took a week to activate as well. The fasttag is from IDFC bank. I would have liked if I was given a choice. I would prefer a more mainstream bank, though I haven't faced issues with it yet.

As for the car itself, we are thoroughly enjoying driving it. The very fact that we have covered more than a thousand kms in a month is a testament to it. Our experience from the test drive holds up. Loving how the suspension keeps us comfortable over rumble strips, patch works, smaller potholes, etc.

The car sounds a bit boomy when giving more than light throttle input at 1k RPM. However, things are refined above 1.5K and the pull puts a smile to my face above 1.8K-2K RPM. Please keep in mind that this is my first turbo experince though. The only other turbo I have driven is the 1.5 Carens DCT, and I never really connected with that powertrain during the test drive. I wanted something and the powertrain was busy doing something else. Back to the Fronx, over flyovers, if I want to avoid that boomy sound, I just pull the left paddle and get a gear down and it pretty much holds it till I descend.

Over flat roads though, pulling the paddles in D mode holds the manual mode a bit longer than I'd like. I would expect it to revert back to D after a 2-3 seconds of releasing the throttle, but it stays in M mode more than that and I have to upshift using the paddles and wait for it to revert to D. When I switch to manual mode via the shift lever, I have a feeling that it automatically shifts down, but I'm not sure. I need to notice that more carefully sometime.

One thing I missed updating in the test drive post was that the steering felt very video game like and the weighing up around 120 felt too artificial. However, I have gotten used to it and it does the job quite well. My wife like it very much as its light in the city. I still kinda prefer my 4th gen City's steering (in the city at least, haven't done road trips yet to have a comparison there). I also kinda like the full steering circle instead of the flat bottom thing.

Lights are sufficiently bright for the city. Not sure about rains. Keeping the headlight level at 2-3 seems to be right. The max setting is almost approching high beam state. Suzuki have erred on the side of caution with auto headlamps. They light up at 4pm itself once the sun is over to the side, or if I'm under a bridge even though it's sunny outside, or even under a tree cover.

The front seats lack lumbar support. I have to slide down a bit to be comfortable. The City has a bit too much and this has too less. Thinking of getting one of those cushions for the back. Though they seem to go too much in the other direction. The seat is also not deep enough as the City, for my wife to sit cross legged like on the floor.

I liked the 360deg cam more than I expected. Helps in getting used to the size of the car quickly and also in navigating very tight urban spaces. The auto-IRVM doesn't dim enough at night, at the high beams still do irritate me a bit. I would prefer going back to manual IRVM actually. As for keyless entry, if I take out the key while the engine is running, it sort of gets confused and doesn't recognize the key for a while even after bringing it inside. I have had to switch off, get out and reenter the car to get it to recognize the key a couple of times.

The telescopic steering doesn't come closer as much as I'd like. I think it comes out only a bit more than the one without telescopic adjustment. If I recline well to have a comfortable sitting position, I have to almost fully stretch my arms to reach the steering. So I still slide the seat a bit forward and have my leg bent a bit more than I'd like and change it up to have more recline to give a break to my back when driving for a long time.

Have done 2 tankfuls and got 10.2 and 9.8 kmpl. The MID showed 11.4 and 11 respectively. Driving was fully in the city. Completed the first service post that. It was supposed to be free but I insisted on changing the engine oil and filter and got a bill of ~3800 for it. The manual recommends changing the oil only at the 12 month service.

It took a while getting used to the brakes. For the first 500kms, the initial bite was very less and then it was too much when pressed a bit more. It was tricky to get the car stop smoothly. The auto start stop (ASS) cutting off the engine and the additional braking due to regen didn't help either. After 500kms though, the bite is more progressive and I've gotten used to the regen. I still switch off the ASS though. I saved 500ml during the first tankful according to the MID. Not worth the additional jerks for me.

The telematics system works well. I switch on the engine and AC when I start from the house to the parking. By the time I start driving, it would have done the 90sec idling which helps the engine and turbo to warm up. The location tracking works well as well. I compared it to Google Maps' location sharing feature and it updated the location a bit more frequently than Google.

[Somil07]

TBH, I'm kind of shocked to see the lack of market response for 1.0lt Turbo AT variant, especially when Hyundai is busy shooting itself in the foot by getting rid of DCT option in i20 and auto AC from Venue S(O) DCT variant. I understand the pricing seems a bit on higher side when compared to it's other variants mainly because engine and gearbox are imported units (correct me if I'm wrong!) but I still think Zeta Turbo AT variant in itself is a complete VFM package. Moreover, it also offers the peace of mind with TC as compared to dry clutch DCTs, very important consideration if keeping the car for more than 5 years.

[agm]

Have booked Fronx 1.0 AT Alpha Silver yesterday. Will take the delivery on 24th (Dussehra) October.

Initially had set the budget around 10-11L, but after going through the list of cars in that price bracket and almost all of them were rejected by my family, had no option but to increase the budget and get something which will keep everyone happy at home. This will be used for city commute by my sister & mother.

Will update once I take the delivery of the car in a months time.

[Somil07]

Took a test drive of Fronx 1.0 AT today and I drove it through the usual challenging roads in Pune with inclines, potholes, unscientific speed breakers, overall narrow stretches and here are my observations:

1) The engine felt sluggish in first few gears and initially I thought transmission has some resistance to downshift when power is required in D mode. Then I tried manual mode and found that more than the transmission, it's the engine that's lagging and doesn't give enough power immediately for filling the traffic gaps. I think a "Sport" mode that tried to maintain engine rpm above 2k would have benefited. One could still drive it in a calm fashion in D mode and it would be just fine.
2) I opened the boot lid and engine was quite vibey and hot but same doesn't get transferred inside the cabin. The steering had a slight buzziness on idle, NVH is well masked for a 3 cyl unit although it starts getting audible above 3k rpm.
2) Suspension felt quite stiff on broken patches with 4 people on board and felt a bit unsettling at rear but the car stayed planted. I may be biased on this since I currently drive a Duster AWD.
3) Steering and brakes are sharp and inspired a lot of confidence. Steering auto-centres without any issues and behaves well during quick direction changes. Turning radius is small enough for tighter U-turns.
4) The car was just 3500km on ODO but had developed a few rattles. Well it was a test drive car so I'm not really forming any opinion based on this.
5) It was around 5 in the evening with outside temp ~28C and I had set the climate control at 23. It felt like AC performance wasn't quite adequate so I put it in manual mode. All I can say is I've seen better AC performance elsewhere.
6) Finally the fuel efficiency. MID showed 10.2 km/l for this 6-7 km trip, good enough I believe given the conditions and low engine mileage.

All in all, my initial thought is that this car is not for me since I would be happier with smoother and more predictable torque delivery in initial RPMs. Although until now, I haven't really looked at many other options with small petrol engines in this price range.

[SlowDough]

I went to the showroom today to check Fronx again. Negotiated hard with the Sales Manager.

Has anyone seeing any discounts on the 1.0 AT variants, beyond the insurance commissions?

[volkman10]

Maruti Fronx to get ADAS in coming months.


Link

[bobbyblr]

Originally Posted by volkman10

Maruti Fronx to get ADAS in coming months.


Link

I think India variants of Fronx may not get ADAS.
It would be for the exports to other countries like Latin America, even South Africa may not get ADAS.

[Joydtraveller]

Hi all,

Got my Zeta Turbo MT on September 21 and already completed 1500 KMs. I am thoroughly enjoying the car. This is my first turbo car, I had an old 2008 Swift. While the acceleration of that car was quite good, this one enables me to overtake in any gear, which is fun and very useful on single lane highways.

I think our reactions to a car is greatly determined by the cars we have been driving so far. So, my observations will be largely influenced by my experience with Swift. The comfort inside the car is very good, the suspension is very nice. The wind noise is almost absent, but there is a significant amount of tyre noise. I am mostly driving within 2K rpm, and the engine is quite silent. You realize it is a 3 cylinder engine when you start the engine - there is an immediate vibration. After that, the NVH is nominal (in my opinion).

I was a little unsure about the car's stability, as YT 'experts' were not recommending this for highways. To my surprise, I feel very confident when I am taking on the long curves at 60 and even 70. I have so far drove it at a max speed of 105, and it did not make me nervous at all.

Fuel economy varies wildly according to the way you are driving. I guess that is a nature of any turbo engine. In city, I have got anywhere from 8.5 KMPL to 17.15 KMPL, with 12-13 KMPL being the standard range. On highways, I am comfortably getting 16-17 KMPL. They said it will only increase in time.

During my drives, I have been through really very bad roads. Mostly badly broken roads with big potholes that were tilting big trucks dangerously. The car performed very well, it hold us comfortably and the suspension maneuvered them well.

Regarding service, I would say I am very very satisfied. During the first service i was feeling the gear box was a little notchy and the brake was not being smooth. As VVS29 mentioned, i was unable to manipulate the brake. The initial bite seemed less especially when you are in high speed. But then the agents mentioned about the Brake Assist feature and how it functions. I am more confident now. I got some rattling sound, especially from the rear spoiler. They requested me to send the car to the workshop a second time and fixed it. They also greased the gear box and it is working better now.

Now, a few things I noticed so far from my personal usage, but I have not seen being mentioned by others:

1. Ergonomics: The ergonomics of the buttons inside the cabin is fantastic. I am a new driver (driving for 2 years now), and i can easily reach out to any one without any problem. The biggest blessing is the position of the oil tank lid opener, you don't have to stoop at all. I wish there a boot opener as well.
2. Visibility: Everyone has identified the problem with the small gap between the IRVM and the dashboard, and it is right. And if you pull your driving seat up, your eyes are almost parallel to the IRVM. So if you are taking a left turn, and trying to see if something is coming from the opposite side, your eyes go to the IRVM instead. Another thing is, because the windshield has a significant slant, it reflects the dashboard more noticeably. So, if the sunlight is coming through the windshield, you will see the entire texture of the dashboard, and everything else put on the dashboard reflected in the windshield.
3. Ingress and egress: While the driving seats don't have a problem, getting out from the rear seats might be a problem especially for tall elderly people. My father is 5 ft 10, and when he is seating in the rear, he found it difficult to stoop and come out. BY the way, we have never faced any headroom issues so far. Yes, it is less than other cars, but it is sufficient.
3. Maintenance: The car accumulates a lot of dust and mud at the rear (probably because of its design). So, that's a headache, especially when you are driving in monsoon or in rain. I have a nexa blue car, and the color is really susceptible to scratches. I kind of new it but then my heart prevailed my head.

Overall, very very happy with the car. the Shortcomings are not really deal breakers for us. Now, i am planning road trip in december. So finger crossed!

[bobbyblr]

I got the Fronx 1.2L 5MT Delta+ Splendid Silver on 16th of this month.



I got the following accessories installed from the dealer:

• 3D floor mats & 3D boot mat
• Rear camera
• Mud flaps
• Door visor
• Seat covers

Pros:

• The bonnet is 1.5 to 2 times heavier than my Alto 2009 model.

Cons:

• No illumination to the Power window buttons, ORVM controls & door lock buttons at the driver side.
• No light in the boot area. Available in the Alpha variant.

Major Issue is the Brake Booster Vacuum:
After the delivery we went to the temple for the Pooja. The car was parked in an incline with hand brake & in first gear. After the pooja, I put the gear in neutral, started the car and pressed the brake pedal. I felt the brake pedal was hard and the car started to roll back half an inch even tough the hand brake was there. I then put the gear into first and raised the accelerator, within half a second the brake booster got it's vacuum and the bake pedal behaved as normal as before.
Again when parking the car in the house with an incline the same brake pedal hard is felt.
In the Alto I can press the brake pedal 3 times easily until it becomes hard with the engine in off condition, but in Fronx the brake pedal can be pressed only once until it becomes hard when the engine is off.
I feel there is some actuator between the engine and the brake booster so as to get better mileage and this actuator (if present) will open so as to maintain the minimum required vacuum in the brake booster.
I have disabled the ISS (Idle Start Stop) by pressing the 'A' button on the dashboard and the engine RPM is between 500 to 800 at idle.

[neil.jericho]

Originally Posted by Somil07

Took a test drive of Fronx 1.0 AT today and I drove it through the usual challenging roads in Pune with inclines, potholes, unscientific speed breakers, overall narrow stretches and here are my observations:

1) The engine felt sluggish in first few gears and initially I thought transmission has some resistance to downshift when power is required in D mode. Then I tried manual mode and found that more than the transmission, it's the engine that's lagging and doesn't give enough power immediately for filling the traffic gaps. I think a "Sport" mode that tried to maintain engine rpm above 2k would have benefited. One could still drive it in a calm fashion in D mode and it would be just fine.

Recently I took a test drive of a Fronx 1.0 and my impressions matched you have shared here. The low down throttle response is disappointingly sluggish. Though I didnt drive the 1.2 Fronx, we do own a new gen Baleno 1.2 which has the same shared engine .

For most Indian users, a lower priced 1.2 Fronx in the Zeta (or even Alpha) variant should suffice but Maruti smartly hasnt offered such options as customer would immediately compare it with the lower priced Baleno, and get the latter instead.