[Love4Cars]

Originally Posted by bullboy

The scooter with everything costs 1.5- 1.7 lakh on road where as the battery pack alone in Hyrder is 1.9 lakh. Why does smaller capacity battery pack costs so much than the scooters?

It doesn't have just an additional battery, there is also a motor to charge the battery and a motor to run the car. Then there is a more complex eCVT gearbox and a system in between to switch between EV and Petrol engine.

The whole assembly of all these parts working together is the reason why a Hybrid is more expensive than a two wheeler.

[bullboy]

Originally Posted by Love4Cars

The whole assembly of all these parts working together is the reason why a Hybrid is more expensive than a two wheeler.

I am talking about the battery pack only and the cost I mentioned is the cost of battery pack informally shared by the dealer.

[Love4Cars]

That's the usual, single OEM parts are much more expensive than a Car itself. A car sold for 20 lakhs may have parts worth 40-50 Lakh if individually bought and assembled to build a car.

[ex-innova-guy]

Originally Posted by bullboy

2. A creaking sound from the center console.

The interiors are rattle free in my Hyryder even after 30,000+ km.

4. Difficulty in closing the driver's door on the first attempt.

I do face this issue and the only solution is to push the door with a bit more force.

[bullboy]

I thought of noting down the drawbacks and features I'd like to see in the Toyota Urban Cruiser Hyrder, based on my experience.

Below are my personal observations, and I mean no offense to anyone. These insights may prove beneficial to prospective buyers. While the positives of this car have been extensively discussed, some negatives also deserve attention. Here are my observations from 750 kilometers of usage on the V variant.

1. Sunroof and AC: The sunroof transmits significant heat to the cabin, affecting mileage. During morning runs (7:30 AM - 10:00 AM), the car returned 3-3.5 km/l more than in the afternoon, despite similar traffic conditions. This issue is exacerbated by non-UV cut glass. The AC struggles to regulate cabin temperatures, with rear passengers still feeling heat from above. It's disappointing that neither Suzuki nor Toyota has addressed these concerns.

2. NVH: The engine feels unrefined and diesel-like when revved, with intrusive cabin noise. Vibrations are felt on the passenger seats, accelerator, and steering, especially at standstill when switching from EV. Road noise and electric motor noise are also noticeable.

3. Ride: Despite minimal suspension thuds, the ride is stiff, and road imperfections are felt in the cabin. I haven't driven at high speeds, so I can't comment on speeds above 80 km/h.

4. Seats: The under-thigh support is lacking, causing discomfort during long drives. I've experienced back pain during drives of over an hour and now rely on support pillows. The rear seats are too upright, even in the second position, and lack proper support. The cushioning on the seats is slightly on the softer side.

5. 360 Camera: The image quality is poor, with blind spots. Manually activating the camera from an awkwardly placed switch diminishes its convenience value. It should activate automatically at lower speeds or atleast switch should been in the steering.

6. Parking Sensors: Lack of front parking sensors in a car of this price range is surprising.

7. No Lane Watch: Despite having the necessary hardware, lane watch functionality is missing.

8. A-Pillar Blind Spot: A significant concern, especially when combined with door visor, a big problem at night. This could have been mitigated with front parking sensors and blind spot monitoring.

9. Comfort: Rear seat access is challenging for elderly, and overall comfort is only okish.

10. Quality Issues/Cost Cutting: Thin plastic panels and exposed engine components raise questions about build quality. The switches, controls, door handles, etc., are directly borrowed from segments two levels below. My ignis has identical switches, including steering controls, locks, and door handles. While the quality of materials used may suffice for a 10 lakh car, it's rather questionable for a vehicle priced at 25 lakhs.

11. No Adaptive Cruise Control.

12. Ambient Lighting: Poor visibility and fixed colors limit its usefulness.

13. Creaking/Noises: Due to the aforementioned quality issues, there are creaking noises from the front dash and the rear tray that extends the battery floor, especially on bad roads.

14. Headlights: The headlight is weak, and the throw in low beam is not good. It's also too close to the car and not adequate in the rain. As I understand, it cannot be upgraded either. Fog lamps are sorely missed.

15. Missing Rain-Sensing Wipers.

16. No Key Remote Start/Stop: There's no start-stop button on the key fob, requiring sole reliance on the app. Interestingly, the key fob is identical to that of my ignis, prompting me to add a new cover and a 'Toyota' key chain.

17. Music System: The system is basic, even in the top model, and falls short compared to what competitors offer. I would describe it as marginally better than the system in my Ignis.

18. Voice Command: Limited functionality and unintended activation are frustrating.Missed turns in the map when it activated by its own.

19. Missing USB Type C Port: Only one USB-A drive port is available in the front, and the absence of an additional USB Type-C port is notably felt.

20. Horns: The horn is a standard fitment found in all Suzuki cars, such as the Swift and Baleno, etc. The dealer provides an option for a Windtone upgrade priced at Rs. 2950.

21. Driver Door Issue: The driver's door does not close on the first attempt, attributed to air pressure. However, my concern arises from why this issue is exclusive to the driver's door and not the others. The door's construction feels notably light.

22. Dub Dub Noise from the Brake Lever: When switching between the accelerator and brake pedals, the lever hits the limiter and produces a sound. Upon observation, it appears there is no rubber or damper bush in the connector of the brake booster and lever.

23. Missing LED Lights: Halogen interior lights and indicators are outdated.

24. Mudflaps : This has to be bought as an accessory and is not a standard fitment.

25. Missing Convenience Features: Lack of ADAS, dual-zone climate control, UV cut glass, power adjusted seats ,one touch up down window, illuminated window switches and rear sun blinds is noticeable.

The car possesses a considerable number of absent features, and while it began promisingly, it ultimately fell short of its intended mark. The pricing of the top variants fails to align with the features it offers. If the car is purchased with efficiency in mind, the uncomfortable seats during long rides undermine its purpose.

Thank you for reading.

[zmachine]

While many have pointed out the not so impressive plastics and switches within the Hyryder, yesterday I had a first hand experience of the AC vent outlet tab clip breaking while trying to move the vents towards me. I would like to believe I handle the car really gently and this has never happened to me before. While this is not a big deal, no customer wants to deal with this after spending 20L on a car.

[ex-innova-guy]

Originally Posted by zmachine

While many have pointed out the not so impressive plastics and switches within the Hyryder, yesterday I had a first hand experience of the AC vent outlet tab clip breaking while trying to move the vents towards me.

Thank you for posting this. We never let anyone drive our Hyryder but a family friend took it for a day and he returned the car with the same broken clip from the central left AC vent. I was extremely disappointed too but had to let it slide, but I now realise I am not the only one in the situation.

[HappyWheels]

Originally Posted by HappyWheels

Got the update done. It is now 76TQ.03.00

Attachment 2474874

Head unit new version 76TQ.03.50 is available for download.

https://www.global-infotainment-syst...200/index.html

[Prakash Rao]

Ref: AC vent outlet tab clip

@zmachine:
Thanks for highlighting this important aspect.
I have experienced this three (3) times over 20K Kms. (3rd Servicing)

The Ravindu Toyota Technician said this is a most-common problem and he will fix it in 20 mins.

Pls note that the problem is not just with the cheap looking, sliding rectangular knob, but the entire mechanism, while the knob is internally connected by a wafer-thin (shocking) plastic bar with silver paint coating, which tends to break too often.

Once the knob breaks (even with careful use), the only solution is to use a small stock or paper straw or screw driver to shift the direction of blowing cool air! Vintage Hybrid?

If the quality issue is most-common, one wonders why a famed Japanese brand is so lax and irresponsible in India?

[zmachine]

Originally Posted by Prakash Rao

Ref: AC vent outlet tab clip

@zmachine:
Thanks for highlighting this important aspect.
I have experienced this three (3) times over 20K Kms. (3rd Servicing)

The Ravindu Toyota Technician said this is a most-common problem and he will fix it in 20 mins.

Pls note that the problem is not just with the cheap looking, sliding rectangular knob, but the entire mechanism, while the knob is internally connected by a wafer-thin (shocking) plastic bar with silver paint coating, which tends to break too often.

Once the knob breaks (even with careful use), the only solution is to use a small stock or paper straw or screw driver to shift the direction of blowing cool air! Vintage Hybrid?

If the quality issue is most-common, one wonders why a famed Japanese brand is so lax and irresponsible in India?

I was hoping mine was a one off but this is just sad to hear. I hope the practice of dumping sub standard products in India stops.

[Cresterk]

Originally Posted by bullboy

As I understand, the battery pack of Hyryder hybrid is 0.77kwh whereas an Ather or Ola has a battery capacity of 3.7- 4 kwh.The latter takes very less space to pack in the two wheeler whereas toyota takes whole lot space.
Why is it so?

The scooter with everything costs 1.5- 1.7 lakh on road where as the battery pack alone in Hyrder is 1.9 lakh. Why does smaller capacity battery pack costs so much than the scooters?

Batteries sizes are not just based on total capacity but also how much peak output they can produce. A larger battery pack can have cells connected either in parallel or series to increase either capacity (Kwh) or voltage.

The motors in the Hyrider are larger and more powerful because they need to move the car which is many times heavier than an electrical scooter. So they require more peak voltage. Thus the batteries are configured for less capacity and more voltage.

[amalvip2811]

Boot space could be increased I guess, if Toyota follow the Ford EcoSport way of mounting spare tire (stepney) on rear door. This way the current space eaten by spare tire can be utilized by battery to retrive lost space.
Currently Boot space is not only less but Boot space height is restricted to keep only small suitcases/belongings. This is one practical purposes which is awful in otherwise very good Hybrid Hyryder.

[ex-innova-guy]

Originally Posted by amalvip2811

Boot space could be increased I guess, if Toyota follow the Ford EcoSport way of mounting spare tire (stepney) on rear door.

In that case, the boot opening mechanism would have to be changed to a side swing door type one instead of the usual upward opening boot mechanism. Not to forget, the rear is not exactly flat to mount a tyre, like in most cases. The looks would also have been drastically different (read: weird) with a flat rear design. (Bolero types)

[NFS2024]

Originally Posted by bullboy

I thought of noting down the drawbacks and features I'd like to see in the Toyota Urban Cruiser Hyrder, based on my experience.
Thank you for reading.

Extremely useful Post. There are glaring misses in the car that cannot be overlooked after spending so much of money. The interiors especially is very poor and not befitting this car.

[Prakash Rao]

WEAK AIR CONDITIONING: Help Needed!.

In a traditional ICE vehicle, the AC is directly coupled to the engine. When the AC’s compressor runs, it puts an extra load on the engine, and thus it uses some extra fuel. An AC compressor usually puts up a load between 3-6 HP, depending on capacity. The actual increase in fuel consumption (marginal) depends a bit at what load the engine is already running, outside temperature..etc. Most ICE car engines run at peak efficiency at around 75% load only although it is not directly proportional to fuel efficiency, since that depends on a variety of other factors too.

In a nutshell, in a traditional ICE vehicle, when you switch or increase the AC the engine will use a bit more fuel.

However, in the Hyryder Strong Hybrid, it is a completely different scenario. We have an ‘independent battery’ powering a separate air-compressor along with its evaporator coil unit!

Since the air conditioner in the Hyryder is not the most powerful around and not satisfactory in this blistering heat (despite completely sealing off the sun-roof with 36 gauge aluminium foil and additional cardboard insulation), I was wondering if one can utilise the VCDS coding (ensure the technician is an expert) to improve the AC cooling. Many BHPian's (attached from Mr Shah) have done it successfully on the Skoda Octavia and Slavia.

To those unaware the VCDS software (and a hex can cable) helps unlock so many beneficial features on many cars like the Audi, Skoda, VV, Mercedes...etc. Is there anything similar on the Toyota?

I tried asking the Technician at Ravindu Toyata-Blr and as expected, he had absolutely no clue of what is VCDS!! Since he did not want to act ignorant, he falsely claimed next firmware upgrade will make the AC more powerful...